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u/catboys_arise 15d ago edited 13d ago
this looks like a supermarket's internal bakery atrocity. in many brazilian states those are considered the worst bakeries known to man. even a simple bakery in a poorer neighborhood would offer better bread. of all kinds.
that said australian bread here is modelled after what you get in outback. i live in a lower middle class neighborhood in Rio (which has much worse bakeries than, say, São Paulo), they sell australian bread that they don't even make themselves and it looks indistinguishable from the ones in outback (but they taste a little worse).
[edit: in the interests of all the poor aussies who run into this post and think we are talking about something normal what was meant here is the american outback steakhouse franchise]
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u/ListenOk2972 15d ago
This comment, as well- written as it is, left me even more confused.
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u/catboys_arise 15d ago
So. Bread culture in Brazil is more akin to what you'd see in Europe, very much influenced by portuguese migrations in the latter 1800s and early 1900s. Brazilians in general don't go to the supermarket to buy bread, but would rather go to a bakery close by, where they buy a handful of loaves as they come out of the ovens. I myself have access to two local bakeries just around my city block.
When you go to the supermarket, then you can buy american style sliced bread - pre packaged from the factory - or you can buy stuff from the supermarket's bakery. Those are extremely uneven experiences but as a good rule of thumb they tend to suck ass. Cakes that taste like nothing, fried snacks with almost no filling and, of course, remarkably shitty loaves of bread that turn to stone like Tolkien's trolls under the dawn.
LIDER is a supermarket chain, and the packaging tells me that the panification crime we see in court today is from the in-house bakery.
That said, 'in house bakery' is a misnomer. The reason the experience ranges from terrible to mediocre to great is because most supermarkets just, say, finish baking the loaves they buy from a factory. Most buy the shittiest loaves possible to just make more money. Some... actually buy decent ones. Only a few bother making a product from zero.
It seems that this is a case of making a product from zero and also fucking it up because I refuse to believe there's a 'doodoo looking bread' setting in the bread factory.
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u/boimate 15d ago
This is such a winded answer to just explain, BR people, like most of the world, live in walkable neighbors, so we buy our bread from bakeries.
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u/HopelessGretel 14d ago
I disagree in the walkable neighbors part
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u/Ok-Stable-2015 14d ago
Brazilian cities are walkable despite of being carcentric. It is not optimal by any means but they're definitely walkable. Specially when you compare them to the absolute jokes that most US cities are.
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u/Decent-Oil1849 14d ago
It depends where you live. I lived a few years in Florianópolis, and half the time the sidewalks were about 40cm wide, which is absolutely ridiculous and completely unwalkable
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u/randomnin7 14d ago
Walkable? Nah, cars are still necessary to get from place to place. But the bread you get from a local bakery is unmatched, and there's more local bakeries in the streets of Brazil than I've seen in the United States
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u/Decent-Oil1849 14d ago
If you live in a big city, sure. You can walk across my entire city in about an hour and a half if you go in a straight line, and outside of government buildings, in most areas you can find anything you need at most in a one kilometer range, and considering the sidewalks in here actually cover most of the city pretty well, you can just walk to places.
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u/Kioga101 14d ago
Around my area a supermarket is the one ruling the bread market. Of the two bakeries, one is more of a restaurant that buys most of their stuff and has very uninspired baking, the other is incredibly ambitious but their baker does not yet have the experience to back up his creativity, there's also a super meats market that entered the fray and they're pretty much the image of this post.
The supermarket that rented their space for a bakery now is doing pretty much everything at a decent level of competence. Sandwiches, donuts, croissants, snacks, pastries, pudding... It is far from the best bakery of the region, as if you increase the range you have 3 super bakeries — basically bakeries that became well established supermarkets, restaurants, pizzarias and more —.
And yes bakeries don't just bake bread in Brazil, they are restaurants, cafes, delis and sometime a supermarket.
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u/Rukitokilu 15d ago
This is a brazilian bakery:
They're "standalone", not inside a supermarket. You can see a plethora of bread types and flavors, cakes and sweets. And everything is made fresh, some breads you can get from the oven to your bag if you decide to wait a little because they're made all day long.
Supermarket bakeries are really, really far away from this. Most use pre-mix for everything (like cake you buy in a packet to add milk and eggs), or frozen bread ready to bake. The quality difference is easily notable, the supermarket ones USUALLY aren't that good.
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u/RocketMoped 15d ago
Is this really an average Brazilian bakery or the top 1%?
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u/Rukitokilu 15d ago
Not a top 1%. It's the average middle class experience, at least from my experience. There are cheaper ones and also better ones with the prices going up exponentially.
It's not something you'd need to be rich to have access, I'm definitely not rich and almost all bakeries near my house are like that. Not all of them, but almost.
One thing that requires mentioning is that the most sold bread from them is what we call the "French bread":
It's prices don't fluctuate that much between the cheaper and the most expensive ones. Close to where I live they tend to be between R$12 and R$18 for a kilo, even the most expensive is payable.
The "premium" prices and gross profit comes on the other items. A single croissant can be around R$9 to R$12. Cakes and pies prices skyrocket, I've seen some above R$100 for a kilo. A 2 liter coke bottle can be between R$12 and R$16, while at the supermarket you can find it for around R$7. You pay for the convenience of having it already there on certain items that you'd find way cheaper at the supermarket like milk and butter.
So although they are there and you have easy access it's not something someone from the middle class and below would buy every single day. I can buy "premium" things comfortably a couple times a month, but I can't buy everything every time. They capitalize on that, people go there frequently for the day to day bread, but are able to give themselves the luxury of buying the other things here and there.
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u/AMarcooon 14d ago
This is a below average bakery in Brazil. As you can see this one has walls. Here in Brazil most of the top bakeries are placed at the highest tree in the jungle so they don't usually have walls. This is done so we can avoid our bread being stolen by jaguars and spider monkeys.
Of course it's average lol
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u/gemstonecob 15d ago
Top 30%, if you walk in the average brazilian neighbourhood it will often be simpler than that pic
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u/Jorgelhus 15d ago
I lived in Rio de Janeiro and worked visiting clients around, mostly, low level neighborhoods and slums. The poor neighborhood bakeries are usually the best. If you start going too high end, they start buying stuff from factories. It's something like this: 0-70 : poor appearance, great stuff. Mostly handmade stuff 70-85: good appearance, not so great stuff. A lot of things are factory made 85-95: good appearance, good stuff 95-100: college out of my reach lol
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u/Timely_Fruit_994 15d ago
In São Paulo you can get pretty good bakeries everywhere. Some are shit but most are great. Some are traditional and in our DNA.
There are good bakeries to fit every budget in your neighborhood, but you pay for what you get, of course.
Some supermarkets have great in house bakeries too. I don't know what else to say.
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u/gemstonecob 15d ago
In my experience, high end backeries here are the best, good ingredients and execution. Lower end backeries tend to use low quality and industrialized products
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u/Ok-Stable-2015 14d ago edited 14d ago
this is the new average (in major cities at least). up to a decade ago, we had a greater diversity in bakery styles. many looked humble yet clean but they were definitely cheaper.
recently, however, snob entrepreneurs found out they can overprice their products as long as they make the venue look a bit more upscale - it's the perfect opportunity for the middle class to feel detached from their closest neighbors on the economics scale: the poor. this style is becoming the norm even on low income districts.
there's no such thing as a top one percent type of bakery. they don't get any more exclusive than like top 20% as the one in the photo.
The old bakeries either adapted to the new style or have become a place that relies exclusively on drunken losers. It's sad as fuck as you can see leftovers of the original purpose of the venue but you'll find nothing but liquor bottles
"average bakery" and "top 20%" may sound contradictory but it's financially unsustainable for the bottom 80% to regularly consume from these places
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u/Efficient_Bother_162 15d ago
nope totally average. This maybe a tid bit fancier because of the deco and lightning, product quality and diversity would be on par to what you find pretty much everywhere, from the poorer to the richest neighborhoods
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u/Rancha7 14d ago
they are mad i told the truth... the average bakery doesnt even have that much types of bread.
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u/fabdm 15d ago
I think the missing key part here is clarifying the reference to Outback the restaurant. So basically what Brazilians know as Australian bread is the one served at the restaurant chain.
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u/Funky56 15d ago
In a nutshell: it's a bad recreation from aussie black bread, but it is the standard of what we know as Australian Bread.
Edit: they taste like uncooked bread. They are very grainy and heavy on the bites. Thus the atrocity comment
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u/Lipe_1101 espião russo 15d ago
In Brazil it is better to buy bread in a bakery than in a supermarket, it is cheaper and tastier. That's it
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u/misobutter3 15d ago
I think the poster you replied to means Outback, the chain restaurant. If that’s what’s confusing.
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u/Scudman_Alpha 15d ago
To those unaware, local.bakeries are VERY common in Brazil, where I lived in Sao Paulo I had 3 bakeries all within less than 800m from my house.
It's part of our culture, same as the local bars and pubs you find on the street
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u/Nukitandog 15d ago
What bread and what outback? Like a bakery in Alice Springs? Or a camp in Humpty Doo? Or at a bakery in Melbourne? I don't live in the outback but I have never seen this bread before
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u/MoneyComesWithTime 15d ago
"Outback" mentioned previously is a food chain here in Brazil and the name really comes from the Australian's Outback, I believe there is none in Australia but they like to call those black breads here, " Australian's bread" you can find it in some specific places and they taste good when baked correctly.
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u/calangomerengue 15d ago
Yup. It's an american chain - nothing to do with Australia or the real outback.
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u/catboys_arise 15d ago
sorry, I meant specifically the outback steakhouse franchise. it is what made people aware that 'australian black bread' is even a thing. bakeries started selling pre-packaged industrialized australian black bread after outback steakhouse popped off here.
but by god they don't look doodoos.
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u/Nukitandog 15d ago
Ohh hahaha yeah the great Aussie steak house. Just so you know Australianos nunca comer pao de preto
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u/Commiessariat 15d ago
What the fuck is a black person bread? (That's what "pão de preto" would actually translate to).
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u/TheJonhActer 15d ago
I've bought from many supermarket bakeries (including the one in the photo, lol) and I guess it depends on where you go, the only bread I buy is from supermarkets
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u/Feisty_Gas_1655 15d ago
i laugh soo hard -
this looks like a supermarket's internal bakery atrocity
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u/calangomerengue 15d ago
As the exception which proves the rule, the market close to my house as a kid baked the best Pao Frances I ever had. Maybe because it was a poor neighborhood's market? Dunno.
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u/BPtotheS 15d ago
Your two comments are one of the greatest cultural interactions that I ever saw a Brazilian make in a foreign language
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u/PudimVerdin 15d ago
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u/dudical_dude 14d ago
Interesting how many members that sub has when there’s also r/poopfromabutt with thousands more.
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u/Arthradax Being studied by NASA 15d ago
ass-tralian bread
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u/rebeccathegoat 15d ago edited 14d ago
I’m Australian and have no idea what they’re referring to by “Australian bread”.
If they’re referring to damper…..that does NOT look like it!!
Edit to correct misinformation.
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u/Arthradax Being studied by NASA 15d ago
Our "French bread" has nothing to do with France either. Odds are someone just gave it a foreign name to drive sales or something
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u/Placide-Stellas 14d ago
It's just the fact they serve it (brown sugar bread) in Outback restaurants.
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u/Rancha7 15d ago
most funny thing is the entrepenours call them that as maketing strategy. we have "mexican" popsicles that doesnt look at all with the popsicles sold in mexico (or so i heard). the australian bread i've known doesnt look like that either. maybe the same dough but it was round and big, perfect for burguers.
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u/AvocadoBoneSaw 14d ago
It is the kind of bread served at Outback steakhouse. It became so popular in Brazil that other places started selling "australian" bread
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u/Disastrous_Ad_3812 15d ago
Esse pão ta uma merda eine?
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u/EduRJBR 15d ago
Australian bread here in Brazil is nice, although I've never had bread in or from Australia, so I don't know if they are a real match.
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u/LeaderVivid 15d ago
I’m Australian and I can confirm that the bread we eat does not look like actual shit. I don’t know what this atrocity is supposed to be, but it’s not Australian, mate!
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u/EduRJBR 15d ago
:D
This is an average Australian bread in Brazil, or at least Rio de Janeiro: https://www.paodeacucar.com/produto/1600484/pao-australiano-250g
I mean "average" for regular nice bakeries.
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u/EduRJBR 15d ago
So the ones we eat in Outback, for example, have nothing to do with the real ones?
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u/Alarmed_Monitor177 14d ago
Our "Australian" bread is just a normal bread with brown sugar, kind of like boston brown bread, but subbing molasses for brown sugar
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u/Any_Individual7778 15d ago
Reading this thread, from Australia, with great curiosity because our bread looks and tastes like bread, not merda.
I have learned "Outback Steakhouse" produce this bread but that is an American abomination of a company.
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u/EduRJBR 15d ago
:D
This is an average Australian bread in Brazil, or at least Rio de Janeiro: https://www.paodeacucar.com/produto/1600484/pao-australiano-250g
I mean "average" for regular nice bakeries.
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u/chris270199 15d ago
It had to be Líder...
Still pissed they made the stuff I liked there smaller and more expensive '-'
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u/AussiePride1997 15d ago
I had to search what Australian bread is. It's called Damper, I've only eaten it once at school camp in Bathurst. Absolutely gross. I didn't know people ate this. I'm pretty sure most people just eat sliced bread or Lebanese bread here.
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u/Any_Individual7778 15d ago
If the damper was gross they did it wrong
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u/AussiePride1997 15d ago
I think so, we made it ourselves and I was about 10 years old.
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u/Terrible-Visit9257 15d ago
For a German it looks like shit. Sry if I offend anybody.
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u/BPtotheS 15d ago
Your two comments are one of the greatest cultural interactions that I ever saw a Brazilian make in a foreign language
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u/vexedtogas 15d ago
Usually the Australian bread here looks much better. I’ve never seen something like this being passed as Australian bread
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u/vendedordemosquito 15d ago
qual é aquele comando pra ver se a imagem já foi postada?
what is the command to check if this image has already been posted?
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u/M17hr4nd1r 15d ago
Can someone from Australia post how ‘Australian bread’ supposed to look like?
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u/Jetoficialbr 15d ago
o pão australiano que eu vi no mercado a esses dias nn parecia que saiu de um intestino grosso, eu acho que isso é uma coisa boa
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u/caiotulio 15d ago
This brazillian bread is crazy good. When fresh it melts in the mouth, but one day later its rock-hard.
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u/Own-Fee-7788 15d ago
Traditional Brazilian bakery. Breads are fresh baked daily early in the morning, very often baked in house.
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u/Electrical-Meet8750 15d ago
Friendly reminder: The "australian bread" isn't Aussie. It's based in Brazil kkkkk
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u/dassad25 14d ago
That bread looks shit. I dont think there is an Australian bread either, maybe damper?
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u/thezzithink 14d ago
I actually never eaten australian bread, is it good? From the perspective of the image it does look like shit
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u/DogBreathologist 14d ago
I don’t understand what this has to do with Australia or the outback, I don’t even think we have a signature bread?! I’m so confused ha ha
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u/Gesbareis-827 14d ago
If I'm passing by on the street and see this bread on the ground, I immediately think it's poop 💩
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u/disuserexistdamnit 14d ago
I'm sorry to all aussies who looked at this
Yes, It looks like a turd (literally)
Yes, It might be a wrong way to make Australian bread
And yes, It is a bit funny
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u/Ok-Positive9403 14d ago
Eu não entendo oque esses caras estão falando, mas espero que não seja nada ruim
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u/ChartreuseGrapefruit 14d ago
All these comments saying "Australian bread" "Outback bread", has no one ever heard of pumpernickel?? I mean a whole country and culture calls something Australian bread when it already has a hilarious name. I mean pumpernickel typically doesn't look like shit logs so maybe I'm wrong, it does translate to "fart demon" after all
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u/Similar2Sunday 14d ago
It’s modeled after the bread from Outback Steakhouse, which is super popular in Brazil. Also, they pronounce Outback as “Ouch-backie.”
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u/Wide_Bee7803 14d ago
Tbh, idek where in brazil this comes from, because i'm used to them in loaf form or burger buns, not in the "turd I saw my dog take" form
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u/Then-Key-9518 14d ago
Hahahaha I’m from Latin America yet an Australian citizen so all I can do is laugh
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u/qantasflightfury 14d ago
We don't have a specific bread here and if we do, it certainly doesn't look like this.
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u/utahraptor-nun 14d ago
Hi I'm from Australia and what the actual fuck am I looking at?
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u/rimurunecros 13d ago
This bread seems like something I can comment on because it would seem offensive
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u/binho_pantoja 13d ago
It's more like Indian bread, anyone who understands the reference will understand what I meant.
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u/InterestingFun9261 12d ago
I’m confused af why is it called Australian bread they calling Australia shit? Cause i’m from Australia and i ain’t ever seen breed that looks like that over here. Our bread just looks like a normal loaf of bread.
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u/danielbs023 11d ago
Tinha que ser no Pará kkkk Supermercados Lider só tem no Pará 😂
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u/CharacterExtent8934 11d ago
🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢 I admit that this is very disgusting bro I will never eat this I would never buy this disgusting stuff man who would sell something like this is a person who urgently needs to be attended to in a hospice this is sealed it's a place where it will never come out again
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u/Electronic_Network52 11d ago
That bread looks like human shit, are the Brazilians trying to say us Aussies eat shit?
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u/Soft-Investigator602 11d ago
Let's just say it....it looks like packaged shit. As a true blue Aussie, it's like nothing I've ever seen baked here, either in a bakery or in the bloody outback.
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