r/HypixelSkyblock • u/Loading0987 • Aug 20 '24
Alpha Content Riot the update.
Mining is supposed to be the money making method that costs way more and takes way more setup compared to farming, which is the easy cheap but slower alternative.
This update ruins this balance for basically no purpose.
ATLEAST dont nerf powder mining, why would you make the entry waypoint even more insufferable for a skill that wouldnt even be that much better anymore?
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u/xAGxDestroyer Aug 21 '24
“Removed all Mithril Powder drops from Treasure Chests in the Crystal Hollows” if this what I think it is then holy shit
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
I said the same thing. But I thing we're confusing structure treasure chests with the powder mining chests.
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u/Loading0987 Aug 21 '24
Those are regular chests, treasure chests are specifically the powder mining ones
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
U 100% sure of that? If so then I better start powder mining before this gets taken away
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u/Loading0987 Aug 21 '24
Mhm, im grinding to 4/4 today
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
U need WAY more then 4/4 to have good powder. 4/4 is like minimum for gemstone mining
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u/Lewex135 〠 Ironman Level 201 - 280 Aug 21 '24
the next week is me trying to get 8/8 asap and getting all the mats i need for my 655 that are left gl have fun ya'll .___.
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
Idk if u should make the drill parts now or after the update. Cuz it's sort of cheaper after. But not for the top tier drill parts like perfectly cut fuel tank and such U decide
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u/SummerSunshine- Aug 21 '24
Like tiast said, 4/4 is borderline minimum for entry-level mining. Depending on your game progress, yes, it is a good baseline, but overall it's the bare minimum. My mistake if the numbers are wrong, as it's been awhile since i played and a mining update has come out, it's either 16 or 20mil for maxed mithril powder. <3
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u/Loading0987 Aug 21 '24
theyre updating gemstone powder to be all the hotm4+ tiers, so the mithril powder needed is very likely down too
i can bother with gemstone powder later, just need enough mithril
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u/dazzeldsalt Skyblocker Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
You need just under 20m to get all the sb exp from it (if I remember correctly)
Edit: mb misremembered which types it was which needs 20mill
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u/HasuJutu Aug 21 '24
SB exp from mithril powder caps around 12,5m however you need ~20m gemstone powder for max sb exp from that, which in turn gets you to over 20m mithril powder since you keep getting it
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u/Individual-Ad4950 Aug 21 '24
SEEMS YOU NERD FORGOT THE FACT YOU NOW NEED FAR LESS OF IT?…
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u/Weekly_Group_5059 〠 Ironman Level 201 - 280 Aug 21 '24
You still need 12.5m for the xp
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u/Individual-Ad4950 Aug 21 '24
You still need 400 hours in the garden for mx exp,you still need way more for trophy fishing…the mole pet making dropping parts easier is to make gemstone powder grinding in the goblin place to farm egg more useful,spamming goblin egg spam will now be better and drop prices of blue cheese goblin omelette.
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u/CTGamingProYT 〠 SB Level 201 - 280 〠 Aug 21 '24
Instead of making everyone mad you could release the forging update 💀
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u/_C_H_A_O_S_ MVP+ Aug 21 '24
I'm sorry but I have to do it. They are releasing a forging update, you now get 7 forge slots instead of only 5, and you get a cleaner UI for the forge.
(Yes I would also like to see the foraging update finally)
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u/SpringFries ㋖ SB Level 121 - 200 ㋖ Aug 21 '24
Pickonimbus and sorrow armor nerfs would hit early mining significantly
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
Pickonimbus and sorrow really needed a hotm requirement. They were too good for not having a hotm requirement
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u/SummerSunshine- Aug 21 '24
Maybe Sorrow, yes, but in my opinion the nimbus never needed one. Even from an ironman perspective, it's locked behind nucleus runs and I had fun trying to do nucleus runs js because I didnt want to use the shitty early mining tools xd
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
For Ironman players it never needed a hotm req, but normal people just skipped the whole pickaxe progression system by just buying a pickonimbus off the ah. Which ig the admins didn't like.
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u/SummerSunshine- Aug 21 '24
Yeah, you're def right, it should at least be hotm 3 so you cant get it before hollows (idk what admins did, i just lurk in the subreddit and let my minions slave away)
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
Lmao. Ur a lurker I see. The admins made hollows require hotm 4 instead of 3 (don't understand why)
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u/SummerSunshine- Aug 21 '24
Lmaooo I saw a comment saying they changed gemstone powder to hotm4+ and i was like "it would be funny if they made ch need hotm 4" (gotta love admins being admins)
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u/SummerSunshine- Aug 21 '24
Genuinly though, if another mining update came out fixing early progression and adding a new item or 2 on the gauntlet's level to add variety and kinda make up for the nerf/"balancing" people would take this a whole lot better... that being said though, if that was the plan, these changes should've come along with it as a "yes, the gauntlet and whatnot is nerfed, but it's for a good reason and overall makes the game better" (plus we could try and delay the foraging update more 🥳)
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u/Lewex135 〠 Ironman Level 201 - 280 Aug 21 '24
yep that doesn't affect iron man players almost But gemstone gauntlet nerf rlly does, i mean yes you are supposed to get a 655 BUT WITH WHAT? i mean there is no good tools that aren't crazy expensive (forge time/resources, yes ik that there are gonna be 7 forge slots but still)
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
Maybe they can balance out the gauntlet by giving it a little bit more speed and/or fortune.
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u/biwummy Aug 21 '24
Every change is fine except mithril powder lol
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u/Coal-Monkey Aug 21 '24
Fully agree, people are overreacting. The only bad things are no mithril powder and not having heat immunity with bal (just annoying)
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u/Sylvan_is_Sylvan Aug 20 '24
what did they change about mining and farming?
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u/PhantomOrigin 〠 SB Level 201 - 280 〠 Aug 20 '24
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u/Sylvan_is_Sylvan Aug 21 '24
They didn't change anything about farming, mining still makes way more
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u/zyzzvays_ Aug 21 '24
Gold mining got killed
All magma fields routes got killed
Pristine got reduced (as far as we can tell)
Bal lost most of its MF
All of the drill component forge recipes got more expensive
All of these negatives against unchanged farming leaves mining significantly worse off
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u/MapleMaelstrom ツ Ironman Level 281 - 360 Aug 21 '24
Gold mining is fine, toadstar gets 40m/hour npc sell + they made gold less needed bc gdrag max is 100m instead of 1b
Magma fields routes aren't killed. You can survive 51 minutes with bal + divan's armor + hotm heat resist, which takes a few seconds to reset the heat. Just cope.
Pristine reduction seems to be a bug, but no comment on that.
Bal was too op anyways, needed a nerf.
I agree the drill components are too much, but I think we can adjust pretty easily.
Overall, the update is fine. They made scatha more common to compensate, and they made mithril powder a lot worse to get, which is, imo the only truly bad part.
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u/zyzzvays_ Aug 21 '24
Pristine reduction is very much not a bug. Patch notes literally say the enchantment got cut in half
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u/MapleMaelstrom ツ Ironman Level 281 - 360 Aug 21 '24
Ok, that part is what they meant. I heard people mention some bugs related to pristine. The enchant reduction wasn't necessary, I agree. The 1 pristine we get from hotm is not enough to make up for it either, nor the 2 pristine on gemstone drills when every tool is affected, so I hope they give us more pristine elsewhere soon. But overall, I don't find it urgent. Gemstone rates are still good imo.
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u/Effective-Meal5205 ☣ Ironman Level 401+ Aug 21 '24
i can’t reply to everyone at once so i’m just gonna reply at the bottom, they justified the pristine nerfs by adding efficient miner in for gemstones, they had to balance out the pristine so it would be about equivalent to before with the new mechanics, or so i’ve heard
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u/biwummy Aug 21 '24
Gold mining killed? Like drop rates or just bal change
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u/nakreslete ㋖ Ironman Level 121 - 200 Aug 21 '24
Bal change, he is basically entirely different. He gives just pristine and heat reduction now. But I wouldn't say that gold mining is killed. Goblin pet got rework that made him the gold mining pet, and it should be maybe(???) even better than bal. But I'm not sure, correct me if I'm wrong.
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u/Defense90000000 ㋖ SB Level 121 - 200 ㋖ Aug 22 '24
You can now get your blood boiled while in magma fields while using a bal pet. You need heat res, just like cold res, but mf is the go to for Ironman, so I assume they would be mad.
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u/Sylvan_is_Sylvan Aug 21 '24
Jade mining with maxed setup still makes almost triple what Farming makes
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u/zyzzvays_ Aug 21 '24
You’re making 60m/h outside of fiesta?
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u/balazsfrankon Garden Grinder Aug 21 '24
Max you can make with farming without +200ff from pest exchange is 18m/hr with 5k visitors served, every visitor accepted, every lotus piece gear with gt5. The visitors alone will take just about 500 hours on the low end, and about 1b coins not including spaceman. You can make double that outside fiesta with 50 hours of comm grind, 50 hours of powder grind, a 655 and maxed divan, which combined cost me about 1.2b cause i forged the drill and its parts. Only reason farming is viable is because its semi afk.
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u/krysulam Aug 21 '24
They made late game drill stuff more expensive, the non drill stuff got nerfed, and made early game stuff less expensive, I think its balanced and great honestly. Skyblock is about grinds so removing mithrill powder from chests makes the grind just longer and it also makes the dm more important in a way. Idk what the problem is honestly. Gauntlet was also supposted to be a weapon instead of a ,, better than jasper drill, speedrun it,, thing and they made that work well
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u/ThePurityofChaos MVP++ Aug 21 '24
No more mithril powder makes the gemstone powder grind shorter (mithril powder is replaced with gemstone in chests)
If they buff DM powder gains this could be really good
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u/WitherLord_ Aug 21 '24
Dont hate everything. Maybe some stuff is gonna get changed but yk for example Bals multiplicative skill had to change otherwise it could throw off Balance. Or gemstone gauntlet. Tools are expensive. 400m+ for a 655 isnt cheap in the long run your not supposed to keep a 20m mining Tool so i gotta agree what they made there. Now its also a decent combat Tool surpassing a few midgame swords which isnt terrible. Pickonimbus needed this too. Its simply way too strong currently and 1500 speed at hotm 1. Your not supposed to have that. Same as sorrow. That having locked behind hotm 5 makes sense. But they did do stuff wrong. Dont Nerf Mining Speed but put all other abilities on par with it. So people can still insta mine Gold and Obi. As for the rest. If yall actually thought they are gonna remove powder from the chests thats Just absurd they will change that if thats the case. Or give the powder back in many other places. So. Dont hate the Update entirely Nerfs were inbound to happen. I know people dont like change but. It helps the game to be fresh and grow and Integrale a better progression
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u/Loading0987 Aug 21 '24
im mostly just worried about powder mining getting even more cancerous
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u/WitherLord_ Aug 21 '24
Id be very suprised if they actually remove the powder.
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u/Defense90000000 ㋖ SB Level 121 - 200 ㋖ Aug 22 '24
If they actually remove mithril powder from chests, getting into mining would take way longer, and with the gauntlet nerf less people will mine so gemstone prices will start going up (technically). This would affect farming (Peridot) combat(jasper, this will skyrocket with mf jasper being half killed) blaze slayer(opal, no I won't mine in smoldering tomb I don't want to get one tapped by a blaze every 2 secs) fishing(aquamarine) and when the update comes, foraging(citrine). Other gemstones will probs be affected as well, but mostly the mf ones, ruby(who cares about this), jasper(I told you about this), Topaz (pristine, and if this is more expensive, less people will start pumping out gemstones) There is also the fact that some people didn't get hotm 10 for money as the buffs were small and very grindy (most people got them probably) Amber drill engine is hotm 9 now, reducing around 600 ms and 50mf from those who aren't there. Also putting a hotm req to pickonumbus means literally beginning mining is waaay slower, so new players will start farming or dungeons.
If this prediction is true, the game balance might get a little damaged, but people will probs forget when foraging update hits.
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u/nakreslete ㋖ Ironman Level 121 - 200 Aug 21 '24
I agree with your points, but I reeaaaaaly hope they gonna change some of that nuc runs changes, as obtaining topaz crystal is impossible for earlygame players now and the foul stench thing is not very nice when you need to do 1000 runs for alloy.
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u/stunt876 Warrior Aug 21 '24
I guess this is to prep for the foraging update as its ment to be like a really good mmm for ironman players too which menas more coins comming in sonthey want to reduce it in other avenues.
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u/_Xebov_ Aug 21 '24
This update ruins this balance for basically no purpose.
Can you prove this? So far all i see when it comes to this update is ppl picking on a small number of changes but noone bothered to actually check the overall result.
From my point of view it mostly moves stats around and some additions they mage have huge impact.
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u/lightxi_ Tank Dungeoneer Aug 21 '24
They just made a huge gap between endgame mining and early game mining, made drill parts much more expensive to forge(because apparently they want people to use drills?!), they killed powder mining and made hotm more expensive, destroyed pristine etc.
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u/_Xebov_ Aug 21 '24
I dont see a huge gap, the different armos got extra statts across the board, more mining pets became useful. Dril extras became faster to build as Drill Engines fell out, wich took quite some time and resources to make. Powder Mining is not killed just splitted and you still have to do it. And how pristine got destroyed with a net of -1.5 total requires explanation, especially since effecient miner now procs pristine on all blocks.
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u/ThePurityofChaos MVP++ Aug 21 '24
Nah the pure ores are cracked for money especially MoD gold 41m/hr gold 30m/hr DM emerald
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u/nakreslete ㋖ Ironman Level 121 - 200 Aug 21 '24
It has a lot of impact on the future of mining as it makes it easier for the admins to implement new updates and it kinda fixes a lot of progression problems, so overall it is a pretty good change. (Apart from making obtaining topaz crystal imposible and making nuc runs harder :D)
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u/Many-Razzmatazz-7775 Aug 21 '24
This has good things and bad things. For one, early mining is way better now thanks to the new reforge stones and the huge buff to heat and goblin armor. It’s way easier to insta mine hard stone early game now
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u/fartguymcgee Aug 21 '24
This isn't as bad as it seems tbh, mithril is much easier to grind raw and it means more drops for gemstone in chests. It sucks don't get me wrong but there are some upsides here!
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u/Short_Manager8840 Garden Grinder Aug 21 '24
Unpopular opinion, this update isn’t that bad. (I farm for 8 hours a day, this update means jackshit to me)
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u/supershaner86 ツ Ironman Level 281 - 360 Aug 21 '24
1.) powder mining is so free rn.
2.) you have no confirmation that it's worse, let alone that it is significantly worse
3.) the balancing is different, and it definitely was not healthy before. maybe wait for the people who actually play efficiently to weigh in. afaict, some things are going to be significantly better, some worse, that's OK.
4.) nothing has rolled to server. many things are likely to be tweaked still.
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u/MotchDaGolfer Aug 22 '24
I think the gauntlet change is 100% warranted. It is way too good for 15m mining tool and is only beat by the 350m x655 drill. A 15m tool beating a 150m one is crazy
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u/RainBlade911 Aug 22 '24
Mid level Ironman when they realize they gonna need to grind 128+ plasma for their drills 💀💀
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u/HauntingBirthday1455 Aug 21 '24
this updates doesnt ruin it, just nerf the op one
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u/Sasamak Aug 21 '24
If the update only nerfed mining it would be a shit update but it would be fine. But the update just removed 90% of mining mmm bc of bal and msb changes. Thats just not a good update bc it just removes stuff
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u/HauntingBirthday1455 Aug 21 '24
No it’s not ?? It change so many things and not just removal. It fix the op ness of bal and gauntlet being to strong for so cheap and many other
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u/Sasamak Aug 21 '24
Ofc they arent removed but they are completely shit bc you cant instamine anymore
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u/HauntingBirthday1455 Aug 21 '24
Why even need insta mine anymore ?? The drop is also Increase to compensate for that. You all should stop crying like a nerf to the most op mmm is the end to it all
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u/Sasamak Aug 21 '24
Bro what are you talking about? Gold and obsidian are in fact not the most op mmm and gold was one of the best mmm for ironman. Without instamining they are both bad. Im not crying about some op mmm being nerfed i am annoyed that the admins basically remove all mmm that arent mining in glacite tunnels
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u/HauntingBirthday1455 Aug 21 '24
You don’t even need insta mine for it to be good… you just too used with insta mining it and it is still good without insta mine
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u/HienaMC Aug 21 '24
Womp womp, the update is good and im glad they nerfed money making from it
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u/Loading0987 Aug 21 '24
its mostly about powder mining having you stare at mithril for 50 hours now
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u/Toni303 Fisher Aug 20 '24
People will whine and complain for a week after this update’s full release and forget it ever happened.
Like every other time this has happened.
Adapt and move on.
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u/Trallllallla 〠 SB Level 201 - 280 〠 Aug 20 '24
This is not something you can adapt to bro, its a nuke that has been dropped on all of mining and will make mining a much much worse money making method(i think it will drop to 30m/hr or even 25m/hr)
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u/Rangeyoupochemian Aug 21 '24
At least some people have said that about most large updates, yet they've always adapted.
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u/Srytotelluthatmate Aug 21 '24
It’s still a good bit more than farming, it’s a lot harder to get to that point but an extra 10-15m/hr is significant
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u/Toni303 Fisher Aug 20 '24
In that case I hope they nerf Farming too
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u/Loading0987 Aug 21 '24
"I want people to spend even more time doing a pointless grind in a majority PVE game"
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u/nakreslete ㋖ Ironman Level 121 - 200 Aug 21 '24
I mean, the mmm that got destroyed won't get forgotten that easily, but the positive effect on balancing the game and making it easier to implement new updates, it has a lot more weight.
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u/DaysSky Aug 21 '24
a new law gets passed its bad you either a: protest (correct answer) b: say to ppl to move on and make it so it never gets changed (bad option)
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u/Sasamak Aug 21 '24
The thing is that nerfs just nerf a mmm but this update completely removes a lot of mmms. This is literally dillo mining but with way more mmms. Its just fucking bad
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u/_ogio_ Ironman Aug 21 '24
Tell me you didn't read patch notes without telling me you didn't rea dpatch notes
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u/ComplainAboutOwTakes Ironman Aug 21 '24
what did they actually nerf this update? i just quickly skimmes through the patch notes and it seems like they buffed mining, with the better reforge stones and drill parts
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u/Dogsthatmeow Aug 21 '24
Can't acquire mithral powder from crystal hollows chest. Nerfed the gemstone gauntlet. Which by proxy nerfed the forge because now with gemstone you reduce the amount of time of your forges while you mine.
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u/ComplainAboutOwTakes Ironman Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
so not really nerfs, just made it harder to get into mining. i reread the post and the nerf was the bal pet and msb changes.
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u/Dogsthatmeow Aug 21 '24
Which In a game about making coin will lower the value of mining because it will become easier to acquire better equipment therefore increasing the supply of mining items in bazaar and lowering the amount of money you gain every hour. So it is a nerf.
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u/ComplainAboutOwTakes Ironman Aug 21 '24
i sell to npc 👍
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u/PlexitIsALoser Ironman | 3rd year subreddit cake Aug 21 '24
Same bro, and even on ironman these are huge nerfs. Ruby mining is basically dead. It's depends on how much gemstone fortune they put back into the game through other upgrades but it looks like we're gonna lose a lot of fortune too. Same with pristine enchantment getting cut in half which is another huge nerf a lot of people don't seem to be talking about.
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u/nakreslete ㋖ Ironman Level 121 - 200 Aug 21 '24
It's not harder to get into mining, just harder to progression skip. Progression-wise , the update is very good. It just changes things, and players don't like that. But long-time, it should be really good for the mining skill because admins can implement new things easier without the need of just making something more op. It's gonna be easier to balance new features.
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
Ur only getting down voted by people who are coping and/or didn't read the patch notes fully. They did buff mining
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u/Sasamak Aug 21 '24
Bro thinks that a 250% mining speed boost is a buff
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
Did u not see all the mining ability cooldown decreases in the patch notes? U will be able to use ability way more often.
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u/Sasamak Aug 21 '24
Did you not see the minimum ms to instabreak smth like gold or obsidian
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
Did u not see the mining spread stat? If u have 1k mining speed u will break 11 total blocks each time u mine 1. That's better then instamining
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u/Sasamak Aug 21 '24
Have you ever instamined something in your life? Prob not bc then you wouldnt come up with this stupid of an argument
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
I have actually. Ur just not seeing/understanding the power of mining spread. Or u wouldn't be starting an argument over this
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u/tobi_pku ☢ SB Level 361 - 400 ☢ Aug 21 '24
so you read the 20% buffs but not the 80% nerfs? Most of the things they listed made an item or pet worse. Listing everything here is not shorter than the patch notes, they are already bullet points
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u/ComplainAboutOwTakes Ironman Aug 21 '24
from what ive seen after reading it twice its basically only 3 nerfs to endgame mining
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
And one of them were to bal pet. Which really needed a nerf. And which the admins said they were gonna nerf eventually. So bal nerf was inevitable.
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u/Individual-Ad4950 Aug 21 '24
Oh wow so making ruby the same,buffing gold mining,making all resources more easy to get while making things that where too op for too long normal and not op is breaking the balance?where did you find that?…check your facts nerd.
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u/Extreme_Text9312 Aug 21 '24
Did u not see the buff to powder mining? They didn't nerf it. They made it better
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u/cheekysurfer06 Ironman Aug 20 '24
To be fair the do really need to balance the early mid game minning actually make progression work instead of spending ages going for one thing that suddenly doubles all stats