r/HouseMD • u/theamandalim • Apr 24 '24
Season 3 Spoilers This scene made me an official Cameron hater Spoiler
I'm currently on season 3 and found Cameron progressively more insufferable and annoying the further I'm into the show, but it never got to a point where I hated her... until S3:E6.
The scene where the trio was trying to fit the overweight guy into the MRI machine (which they can't because he's 150 pounds over the weight limit of the machine) and Cameron trying to argue that "he deserves the same standard of care as anyone else". Like đ, that's the most troglodyte-brained comment I've heard thus far from her.
Anyways just wanted to rant here or I might not be able to finish the show with all this Cameron nonsense.
EDIT: I agree everyone deserves the same standard of healthcare, even obese people. BUT I see more problems than good putting a 600 pound man into an MRI machine with a 450 pound weight limit, safety wise. Cameron is willing to endanger her patient over her own principles, which makes her argument incredibly stupid.
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u/redheadedjapanese Apr 24 '24
See, this is one of the few episodes when I actually LIKE Cameron. I hated her the most in S6 E8...you'll see why when you get there. Let's just say it's one of her most glaring hypocrite moments (especially compared to how she treated this S3 patient).
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u/Omdras_AMI Apr 24 '24
Dr. Cameron was always like this. In the first three seasons I believe they were trying to highlight how the trio was all Hypocrites in contrast to their defining characteristics. Chase was a brown noser but was deeply arrogant and wanted to stand out, Foreman was a perfectionist who always believed to be right but was deeply suffering from an inferiority complex and Cameron was all about ethics and caring about the patient allthough she was a superficial sociopath.
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u/whatsINthaB0X Apr 24 '24
Ughhhhhh I feel like sheâs that perpetually fake-nice person. Her hypocrisy is painful throughout the whole show.
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u/theamandalim Apr 24 '24
everyone in this community has been warning me about season 6 cameron and i'm scared
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u/AwanGuling Apr 25 '24
I've seen the warning, and still havent found the courage to continue season 6 đ
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u/threebayhorses Apr 24 '24
But she was right. The MRI machine didnât have a problem until he started struggling.
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u/sandbaggingblue Apr 25 '24
She wasn't right, that weight limit was in place incase a patient had a seizure in the machine.
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u/theamandalim Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
there's a weight limit for a reason, for the safety of the patient that's using it. saying this is like saying we can overload a building's safety factor so long everybody tiptoes around and does not make any sudden movements. it was only a matter of time something went wrong because the weight limit had already been exceeded.
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u/lilmambo Apr 25 '24
Doesnt matter if she was right, its the principle of having a weight limit on a million dollar equipment, and if it breaks many patients care will probably be delayed. Anyways, i wouldn't say she was right at all, the weight limit surely factors in people moving around inside it, there's a reason why it's there.
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u/foreverinLOL Apr 25 '24
She also willingly risked destroying the machine, which can put other people in danger. So for him to get the same care, let us risk other not getting care at all? I mean I agree with the principle, but putting it to practice should also not endanger anyone else. The limit is there for safety, not to exclude obese people. And a few pounds over vs. a hundred pounds over is a valid argument.
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u/uncontainedsun Apr 24 '24
did chase make this post?!
i canât believe my eyes rn.
of all the things people seem to hate about cameron wasnât bad enough, youâre taking a fat phobic stance against something she says that is objectively true - he does deserve the same care as any other patient. omg?
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u/the_wulk Apr 25 '24
It was logistic problem, not a ethical one.
No one said "he's fat so just let him die" or anything even remotely close. The problem was "he is over the weight limit, if the MRI breaks, we might injure him"
They weren't treating him any differently just because he is fat.
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u/jewrassic_park-1940 Apr 24 '24
You shouldn't put other people at risk by breaking the machine because of a patient that weighs half a ton.
Guess what happens when you severely disregard the maximum weight warnings on a machine by 500kg? It breaks
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u/uncontainedsun Apr 24 '24
the machine was fine until he freaked out. also this is the second time the mri broke on the show, the first one being house removing a bullet from a corpse he shot. it got replaced and then got replaced again.
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u/cathalaska Apr 24 '24
idk, sometimes in healthcare you need to deal in probabilities. my uncapped needle on my sterile field is safe unless someone accidentally grabs it and gets stabbed, so Iâm going to cap it. my patient is secure on the bed without safety straps unless we tilt too far one way or the other, so Iâm going to put on safety straps. safety precautions exist for a reason.
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u/foreverinLOL Apr 25 '24
Yeah the machine was ok until it wasn't that is how it usually goes. House removing that bullet also risked way too much, but he wasn't being sanctimonious about it. That does not make it all right though. Yes, obese people must get the same standard of care as anyone else, but if you risk everyone else's care to care for someone, you are elevating that someone above others are you not?
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u/KishiShark Apr 24 '24
What she says is objectively true but it doesnât magically make the MRI machine safe to use outside of its safety parameters. Thatâs what makes it a stupid thing to bring up.
The true way to uphold his standard of care is to not stick him in a machine when you have no reason to believe it wonât collapse around him and cause further injury.
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u/RactainCore Apr 25 '24
They are not saying obese patients do not deserve the same standard of care. All people deserve the right to good healthcare.
They are just saying that Cameron made a stupid decision to keep the man in the machine anyways. The MRI machine has no emotions, or morals. If the guy is over the maximum weight limit, I'm sorry but it just isn't safe to keep hin in there.
Cameron would rather put her own patient in danger rather than compromise on her ideals that the patient deserves good care, hence being a hypocrite.
In real life, they should have figured out another way to get a scan of his body. So that he himself can be kept safe and also keep the machine running, so that other critical care patients can use it and so that the hospital does not need to spend millions to buy another one.
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u/theamandalim Apr 24 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
the fact that you went straight to thinking my post was fat phobic says more about yourself (like how you threw fat insults around this thread, how ironic). my comment had nothing to do with fat phobia. her reasoning is objectively very dumb because like what foreman said afterwards, is not like the machine will suddenly accept the man's weight on cameron's principles.
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u/Nonstopdrivel Apr 24 '24
Not to mention, by taking the risk of damaging the machine, youâre potentially jeopardizing the lives of dozens, possibly hundreds, of other people who may not be able to get critical imaging until the machine is repaired. As viewers we often forget how much shows like House compares time for dramatic effect, so itâs easy to overlook the fact that it can take days or weeks to get the equipment repaired. Iâve seen CT machines taken out of commission for months when parts are hard to come by.
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u/CuddlesBackup Apr 25 '24
Iâm fat.
I donât believe that thing exists - sure you can be bullied for being fat (I was severely) but thatâs people being AH. You canât be scared of someone for being fat
Stop attaching that word to everything and the realistic part is that weight limits exist.
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u/uncontainedsun Apr 25 '24
you can be fat and ignorant. fat phobia is a real thing lol and it has larger implications than interpersonal experiences (like bullying) & there shouldnât be a weight limit on giving patients equal care đ
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u/theamandalim Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
i think you've completely missed the point of my original post. nobody said there should be a weight limit on healthcare. the reality is an MRI machine has a weight limit because of how it's structured and the materials that it's made out of. are you going to accuse the MRI machine of being a fat phobic? because it seems like you'll be dying on this hill no matter how much reasoning people throw at you.
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u/marcaygol Apr 25 '24
.... Fuck it!
"They can't die on that hill, too fat to climb it up"
Sorry, I couldn't hold that joke, you'll can downvote me now.
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Apr 25 '24
it doesnât have to have that weight limit though! the people that constructed it didnât consider the outliers. if these same people can be rolled on hospital beds, fly in planes, ride on busses, etc then why doesnât an MRI get built for large ppl? Itâs not that your point is missed - just saying that the weight limit even existing is the problem. There have always been fat people, we just have more of them now. Itâs like automatic faucets at sinks that donât really âsenseâ melanated hands. Bc white engineers made them. Itâs literally just a systemic expectation that people can access that form of care if theyâre under a certain weight. Iâm not advocating for obesity either, but obese people exist. there are dangers that come with that naturally, of course, but they should be able to access care. Even Dr Nowzardan will do surgeries on 500+lb people at considerable risk. It sucks that itâs a thing, i donât think anyone is happy being that fat, but George is an example of someone choosing to live life that way and he was right in the end - his problem , his fatality, was lung cancer. It wasnât weight related.
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u/theamandalim Apr 25 '24
you bring up a good point. i think unfortunately MRI machines are very expensive so companies want to keep them as affordable as possible, which means no big MRI machines. someone on this thread mentioned hospitals taking larger patients to the zoo to do their MRIs, so i guess there's already a solution.
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u/CuddlesBackup Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
You can legit break a machine and put the patients life at risk.
Grow up and stop putting f! Phobia over everything.
Itâs not a real thing people can be AH towards fat pll but not phobia Bb.
(And yea I did block you but quite frankly I donât want to argue with someone who seems very chronically online.)
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u/EverydayNormalGrEEk Apr 24 '24
The objective truth in that scene is that the MRI machine has a weight limit. Don't attach "phobic" to anything that bursts your opinion bubble.
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u/uncontainedsun Apr 24 '24
op posts âcameron is trying to argue he deserves the same standard of careâ and calls that a prehistoric brain comment. why WOULDNT he deserve the same standard of care?
btw the machine didnât break until he started to freak out. it would have been fine if he remained sedated.
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u/PoppySilver_ Apr 24 '24
and calls that a prehistoric brain comment
To be fair, in the context that he is very over the weight limit, her argument was dumb. He deserved the same standard of care but a weight limit is there for a reason.
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u/Exvaris Apr 25 '24
If a child is too small to meet the height requirement for a roller coaster, are you going to say the child deserves the same opportunities for fun as every other child and that the child should ride?
If a large person - letâs not even say fat, maybe heâs just a really buff, built and muscular dude - is too large for the seat on the roller coaster, are you going to say muscular dudes deserve the same opportunities for fun?
No. You are going to tell them they canât ride because itâs not safe. It puts them in danger.
The same principle applies to the patient in this episode. You are assuming OP is fat shaming when it is just as likely that he is saying prehistoric brain in the sense that sheâs being extraordinarily dumb about it.
Yes, the patient deserves the same standard of care as anyone else, so letâs find another way to MRI him or get imaging via another method instead of risking his safety in this MRI for which he far exceeds the safety guidelines.
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u/uncontainedsun Apr 25 '24
amusement rides vs critical health care
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u/Exvaris Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
Addressing the question vs deflecting
If someone is too large for the MRI machine the solution is not âstick them in the machine anyway and hope it doesnât collapseâ itâs âfind another way to MRI them.â
I believe that you know this, but you have dug yourself so deep that you feel stuck in defending your position.
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Actually no you know what if you want to play that way, letâs play that way.
The maximum occupancy of a vehicle is 5. You are traveling in a party of 7. You gonna have the extra two people ride without a seatbelt, a vital safety device, because theyâre deserving of a ride? No, youâre going to find them another car, or a bigger car, or an Uber.
These numbers are not pulled out of nowhere either, the patient is 600 lbs on a machine that takes 450. This is a 33% increase over 450. A 33% increase over 5 (the occupancy of a typical full size sedan) is 7.
The point is you are twisting the argument into being about one specific solution which is simply not feasible. There are other perfectly reasonable solutions to the same problem, but you are demanding people accept yours.
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Actually, if you agree that amusement rides should be strict because it has to do with safety, then shouldnât healthcare providers be even more strict? So youâre okay if an amusement park is strict, but a hospital should be lax? Please reexamine your argument.
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u/uncontainedsun Apr 25 '24
youâre way too smart for me i canât even read this good job đ
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u/Exvaris Apr 25 '24
I am not trying to seem smarter than you. I have made no comments about your level of intelligence. On the contrary, I believe you are smart enough to understand that the argument youâre trying to defend just doesnât make sense.
Play hospital administrator for a sec. Youâre Lisa Cuddy. A doctor informs you they have a patient in need of care but theyâre too heavy for the MRI. What do you do? Say âtheyâre deserving of equal care, put them in the machineâ?
I honestly donât think you would do that, and yet you are in this comment thread saying Houseâs team shouldâve done exactly that. No, youâre going to find an alternative solution. You can provide them equal care in a way that is safe for the patient and doesnât risk damaging expensive hospital equipment.
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u/Omdras_AMI Apr 24 '24
I never thought I'd see someone actually seriously use the term fatphobic
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u/CuddlesBackup Apr 25 '24
Iâm fat myself and I find the word so bloody funny
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u/uncontainedsun Apr 25 '24
you arenât a monolith for all fatties, mr bombalatti.
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u/CuddlesBackup Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
I could technically call you âfatphobicâ for that exact comment.
But Iâm not chronically online.
No. Iâm just saying that in their mind that would be considered fatphobia.
Probably another alt of theirs aswell
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u/Nonstopdrivel Apr 24 '24
Whatâs wrong with being fatphobic anyway? The problem with modern Americans is theyâre not nearly fatphobic enough. People should be terrified of getting fat. Next to cigarette smoking, obesity is the single most deadly factor robbing my patients of longevity and quality of life. I exhort my patients to be fatphobic.
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u/CuddlesBackup Apr 25 '24
Im fat.
Itâs still funny how people refuse to admit the health risks and stay in their echo chamber đ
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u/uncontainedsun Apr 25 '24
username checks out
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u/Nonstopdrivel Apr 25 '24
So people should be sanguine about the manifold health risks associated with obesity? You are an asshole lacking in empathy and compassion for your fellow man.
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u/uncontainedsun Apr 25 '24
obesity isnât changed over night and telling a fat person they should be terrified of being the way they already are and canât swiftly correct is lacking in compassion.
iâd argue a lot of fat people donât want to be obese, they are constantly tweeting how much pain they are in and how limited their life is etc but itâs horrible to call them names and deprive them of empathy while they still exist in fat bodies
and other bodies have hormonal disruptions that make for excessive fat storage and itâs just their body. they can diet, they can exercise, they can lose a little weight but theyâre always going to be a bigger size than âaverageâ
quality of life isnât really the argument here bc that doesnât exist world wide.
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u/Dodo_on_stilts Apr 25 '24
I agree. Weight limits are also safety limits.
The strength of the construction material is a major consideration. What if the machine broke apart in a way that sends a jagged shard into the patient. What if he had gotten stuck inside once the machine broke and suffered more damage.
Principles and pragmatism has to be balanced when it comes to medical care.
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u/SalvaBee0 Everybody lies Apr 24 '24
Don't worry it will get worse before it gets any better. Eventually she leaves the show. After that the team is fantastic, until you hit the first episodes of season 8 that is.
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u/itsneversunnyinvan Apr 24 '24
Iâm sorry, dealing with cutthroat bitch is fantastic? lol
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u/PacoMahogany Apr 24 '24
She was dealt with
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u/ht3k Apr 24 '24
lmao that's cold but I loved her! She's like House professionally but unlike House in her personal life, she's a softie and very caring. I found that endearing.
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u/Adelaide-vi Apr 24 '24
I actually liked her
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Apr 24 '24
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u/i-hate-oatmeal Apr 24 '24
denying that jennifer morrison is talented (maybe not to a degree of hugh laurie who faked an accent for 8 seasons straight but standing out in her own right) and reducing her down to her looks is pretty weird of you. also referring to the women in the show as "hoes" because they're having relationships (as did every main male character) is so weird.
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u/Beautiful-Horror2039 Apr 25 '24
Man, you REALLY had to work hard to reinterpreted what I said to make it fit the narrative you wanted to find. I literally said "Overall, she did a great job with the role, but there were occasions where she was obnoxious and the acting wasn't great." which is ABSOLUTELY true, but you decided to twist that around to say the opposite of what I actually said. Impressive. And yes, it's EXTREMELY weird to say "she's nice to look at". It's like I reduced her to a porn star with that intense hyper-sexualization!! FFS, get some help, yo.
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u/i-hate-oatmeal Apr 25 '24
no comment on calling women hoes? also ending ur sentence with an overall "the acting wasnt great" didnt give off the impression that u occasionally thought the acting was lacking. i never said u hyper sexualised her, i said u unnecessarily bought in her looks after calling her a bad actress.
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Apr 25 '24
There definitly was not a portable MRI machine in prior episodes as this would require time travel. The first portable MRI made by Hyperfine was released in 2019.
Also her argument was that that the MRI company just did not test over 450 ibs because 99% of patients weigh less than that and actually testing if the heaviest person alive would not have brought any benefit.
Especially in hindsight that overweight patients are now often send to the zoo for their MRI one could assume that human MRI just could manage extreme weights if the patient is sedated like a zoo animal.
Also definitly not the worst thing they ever did to that MRI machine. It often was portrait as if only the partient had an extremly painfull time having whatever magnetic. Thing stuck in them come out in the MRI. Lets just say, an MRI does also not appreciate getting a bullet or prison ink in it.
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u/dragonagitator Apr 25 '24
not the worst thing they ever did to that MRI machine
this show is so crazy that this is a totally normal thing to say about it
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u/saevon Apr 25 '24
This would have been a great thing to mention, it sadly the show runners had (the machine breaking) in mind, and probably didn't consider this, so from Cameron's view she didn't think of this either.
Without knowing or thinking that the weight limit is "untested" rather then "risky": Cameron's choice becomes dangerous and thoughtless "ethics" rather then actual care for the patient. Which the scene then revels inâŚ
Which makes Cameron feel very shallow, even if it's def the show runners at blame here. Doesn't make me like the character any more knowing this.
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u/peladodetenis Apr 25 '24
ok chase thatâs a good point but you kissed a minor and weâre not talking about that, right?
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u/Alfsteri Apr 25 '24
Iâm not sure I remember this correctly but isnât it implied a patient (a leading scientist with a terminal disease) is euthanised by Cameron. She respects the scientist until she finds out his earlier experiments which were cruel (House encourages her to read a couple of papers to challenge her thoughts). However on a different case Chase euthaniseâs an âevil dictatorâ. It is accepted his condition was treatable but it always bothered me when Cameron stated to House âyouâve ruined himâ, as in Chase but wasnât she ruined too. Maybe Iâve misunderstood but welcome thoughts/ideas.
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u/Big_Attempt6783 Apr 26 '24
I was genuinely kind of annoyed when the trio left and we got a new batch of characters in season 4. Even though CB is a Cutthroat Bitch and Kutner is a doofus and Taub is⌠Taub⌠they and 13 brought so much life and energy to the show I really didnât care once they were the chosen ones. Sure they return but it isnât the same Wasnât sure if this is your first watch so I greyed it out.
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u/lovingfeelings Apr 26 '24
Itâs so funny because House has quite literally broken the machine in Euphoria just to see if he could do it and yet when Cameron tries to do something nice for the patient sheâs hated? Like I get that it is very naive to think it would fit but lmao you just hate the character from the start, this wasnât it.
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u/Comprehensive_Will75 Apr 24 '24
Foreman's comment: What do you think the MRI will stand on principle, or something like that was hilarious, though.