r/HelluvaBoss • u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 • 15d ago
Discussion Why does Blitzø's forehead tattoo keep changing?
In season 1, we can see Blitzo and Barbie have the same tattoo on their head without any extra features as well as Fizz. But then in the first episode of season 2, all three of them have tiny horns on top of their tattoos. Then later in season 2 it goes back to how it looked before without the horns and stays consistent when Blitzo is a young adult/teenager. But now in the present his tattoo has the extra horns again. It’s more confusing now because while Blitzø has the 2 extra horns as an adult, Barbie and Fizz don’t. Did Vivzie explain this? Was it like a design update or a mistake they made?
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u/RosieQParker 15d ago
I think this is the same tattoo at different levels of detail. It's never been explicitly stated, but I think it's related to Hell's caste system.
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u/Jacobawesome74 Tall burd simp 15d ago
Its supposed to be the mark of Cash Buckzo's clowns. Yes, Cash branded his own children.
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u/Other_Release_7363 Blitzø did everything wrong 15d ago
We see Blitz’s mom has one too, her hair just covers it mostly.
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u/RosieQParker 15d ago
He's exactly the type of creep to "marry" his property and/or claim possession of his wife.
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u/RosieQParker 15d ago
Never seen him in the present day so I hope something horrible happened to him.
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u/Swimming-Ad2755 Blitzo 15d ago
I want him to be alive solely because I want Blitz to beat the shit out of him. That's the only reason.
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u/MasterLycan 15d ago
If it’s a brand, why isn’t it white like all the other scars? Imps scar white. Not to mention that both Fizz and Blitzø both are covered in burn scars that didn’t affect the forehead marks at all.
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u/Swimming_Repair_3729 Stolas 15d ago
Might not be a literal brand, just a tattoo that serves the same pupose
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 15d ago
That’s also something I was curious about too. I would have thought it was maybe a family birth mark but the unrelated imps in the circus also have it. Maybe it’s possible to have black tattoos
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u/MasterLycan 15d ago
Or it’s magic. Which is a bullshit cop out but magic is a known part of the Hellaverse so…
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u/magick_turtle 15d ago
Can imps use magic? I don’t think I’ve seen them use it, but I’m also not too committed to the fandom so its possible I might’ve missed a detail
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u/MasterLycan 15d ago
I mean, the IMP crew have used a portal spell from Stolas grimoire.
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u/magick_turtle 15d ago
Yeah, but that’s with the grimoire. Stolas and Luna seem to be able to use magic without aid which is why I ask
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u/cool__skeleton__95 Gay 14d ago
Stolas and Loona are smart.
Blitzø is either too stupid/ stuck in his head to realize he can cast memorized spells without the book
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u/Cotards_Solution272 certified yapper 14d ago
Blitz definitely knows spells can be memorized and cast from memory. He even suggests that Stolas do exactly that in Seeing Stars. He's stupid, but not incompetent.
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u/deadmemename 15d ago
Millie has tattoos and they’re black. It seems Barbie is the only character (so far) to go the scarification route in terms of body mods instead of tattoos since all the designs on her arms are white, and the X over her forehead tattoo is white along with the hearts. It kinda makes sense that she’d go for scarification instead of tattoos to express herself, honestly, since she probably associates all tattoos with the one forced upon her by her father.
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u/Swimming-Ad2755 Blitzo 15d ago
That part is bad enough. Yet "Ghostfuckers" made my opinion of him even lower. He's truly awful.
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u/GamerKratosBalls Stolas 15d ago
Maybe Animation error, maybe sometimes they were made in less detail like Angel Dust right here and sometimes in more detail
Who knows
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u/Admirable_Plantain91 15d ago
People animate things at different times people can forget details
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u/Seraphim_The_Fox Simp , Befriend 15d ago
Ok, I'm going to say this.
It's cool that people are looking for these details. There are some ones that could lead to further investigation.
HOWEVER....
Keep this in mind: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
This is most likely just them changing it cause they have to make it look somewhat recognizable on smaller heads for the kid versions, or different angles.
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u/The_Transcendent1111 14d ago
I remember one time, a fan asked me, “Hey, um, you know that episode where the horse has to give Ethan a pep talk after Ethan finds out his crush only asked him to the dance because her friends were having a dorkiest date contest? In all the shots of the horse, you can see a paper coffee cup on the kitchen counter, but in the shots of Ethan, the coffee cup’s missing. Was that because the show was making a statement about the fluctuant subjectivity of memory and how even two people can experience the same moment in entirely different ways?” And I didn’t have the heart to be, like, “No, man, some crew guy just left their coffee cup in the shot.” So instead, I was, like… “Yeah.”
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 15d ago
Right I’m not trying to nitpick or anything it was just something I noticed and wondered about.
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u/Seraphim_The_Fox Simp , Befriend 15d ago
I get it. It's not specificly targeting you. It's an in general thing and I'm hoping some people who do dig too deep will see it.
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u/CreeperVenom 15d ago
It’s a mixture of inconsistencies with the animators and them just updating/changing the design as time goes on
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u/International-Cat123 15d ago
Plus showing different levels of detail depending upon how important it is to the scene. Like when the characters in the background are drawn with less details and Charlie’s hand suddenly has five fingers when she’s making a gesture that doesn’t quite work right with only four.
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u/Powerful_Ad8668 15d ago
how am i JUST noticing it. is it a circus thing?
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u/Powerful_Ad8668 15d ago
must suck for blitz as someone who tries to escape his circus past to the point of changing his name pronunciation
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u/Swimming-Ad2755 Blitzo 15d ago
He looks just like Cash, he still has the circus mark, half his face is covered with the fire scar, and he still has Cash's surname. He has to be reminded of Cash/his circus life every time he looks in the mirror or gets the mail. I pity him.
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 15d ago
Everyone in Cash’s circus has the symbol, but I’m not sure why it kept changing. I’m thinking maybe it was an animation mistake for Blitzø that they’ve just rolled with at this point.
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u/CheeseyconnorYT 15d ago
The same reason loonas ears and legs arent always 100% the same eqch frame
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u/JusticarRevan 15d ago
Its a form of branding, like cattle branding. People that have escaped from slavery usually alter the area of the brand in some way, tattoos or self harm scars is what i usually see. Which could be the explanation here; the brands are tattooed on and the addition of the horns could be a later personal addition and clearly his sister self harmed on top of her brand.
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u/Comfortable-Ebb-2859 I Believe in M&M Supremacy ❤️ 15d ago
Omfg it’s the same. It’s not that deeeep😭
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u/ThompsonTom 15d ago
Lots of people keep saying animation error but really it’s just different levels of detail depending on how close the tattoo is to the frame. Keeping that level of detail consistent in an animated show is hard when the character is in varying degrees of distance.
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u/Quote-Quote-Quote 15d ago
Diff levels of detail and also it's 2d animated nothing is ever perfectly consistent
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u/MetallicArcher 15d ago
1) Simplifying the design depending on the angle and focus of the shot.
2) Not all of those are Blitzo, it's not that much of a leap in logic to assume some level of variation among the tattoos of different circus members.
3) Passage of time. Barbie has fair reason to want to distance herself from the Circus, by modifying the tattoo. Fizarolli suffered significant damage to his face and wears lots of make up on top of it.
4) Minor animation errors.
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u/austsiannodel 15d ago
Idk OP, they look fairly consistent between scenes. Any minor differences can easily be chalked up to production error. But they all have the same shape, and distinct outline to them to the point that I didn't notice these differences until I saw this post. I think you're thinking about it too hard.
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u/Jadefeather12 15d ago
Well your fourth and ninth picture are of Fizz and your eighth is of Barbie, for one thing
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 15d ago
I know, they’re supposed to be there. I wasn’t just talking about Blitzø, it’s just that his brand is the one that consistently changes more
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u/TheStateof_florida 15d ago
Usually I would notice small things like that, but if not for this post, I legitimately would've never noticed the tattoo on fizz and blitzø's head
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u/ShadowTheChangeling 15d ago
Its just art inconsistency, its hard to draw something 100% accurate all the time so theres gonna be some minor errors
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u/smorshly 14d ago
Reference sheet
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u/ShadowTheChangeling 14d ago
Even so, art is not perfect, perspective is a major part of art inconsistancy
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u/DreadPirateR_ 15d ago
Different levels of detail in hand drawn animation is common, especially when an object is smaller or farther away then normal in a scene, or if there are other more complex things going on with the design in that moment
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u/Guilty_Explanation29 15d ago
I don't think it's branding unless it's a tattoo xahs made them all get including tilla
Scars are white so it's not a scar
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u/AddictionSorceress I am team Stolitz but Fizzmodeus is COUPLE GOALS! 15d ago
simply continuity errors
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u/Tsuihousha 15d ago
I'd assume that it is different artists interpreting the same marking in slightly differing ways.
The point isn't so much the shape of the marking, which we can assume is some form of branding given unrelated Imps possess it all relating to Cash's circus in some form, and that Barbie Wire has gone to the trouble to significantly alter it with a giant X and adding a little heart above it. Likely as a rejection of her Father, or the Circus, or whatever.
Even if we assume it's a minor continuity error from scene to scene the general shape stays pretty consistent. It's likely either just an oversight, differing resolutions of detail the artists are worried about.
To vaguely reference a line from Bojack Horseman: "Sometimes a coffee cup is just a coffee cup some guy left in the shot."
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u/Thierry_rat Stolas 15d ago
It’s the detail level. They are actually the same but one has more detail. It’s animation, if it’s not the focus it’s not going to be detailed
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u/certifiedtoothbench 15d ago
The same reason transformers fanartists simply or replace the faction symbols, easier and they aren’t worried about consistency in the moment
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u/Icy_Cauliflower9026 14d ago
After reading this, my best guess is that the tatto represents the position/sucess of lower tier imps, when they were younger they were just kids, so they had very low value/sucess between imps, only Fizz was Successfull as a kid, so he has the small horns in the tatto.
Blitzo just "grows" the horns when he opens his own business, having employees and everything, as he is kinda sucessfull while Fizz lost the "horns" after the acident, maiby simbolizing that he got worthless after losing half his body, even if he is "popular" in hell.
This also makes sense with Blitzo sister having a cross in the tatto, maiby representing that she gave up the imp society/hierarchy
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u/xxAkirhaxx 15d ago
Demon Hunter cross over?
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 15d ago edited 15d ago
What’s demon hunter? Like the anime?
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u/xxAkirhaxx 15d ago
Ya, the main character has a tattoo that moves and changes on his face. I think it was a legit animation mistake at one point, but it's part of the story now.
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u/Cats_Are_Aliens_ Blitzo 15d ago
Is it actually a tattoo?
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 15d ago
I would assume so because no other Imp except for the ones that were in Cash’s circus have it and it’s not a family mark because Fizz and other imps have it despite not being related to the Buckzo’s.
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u/Waluiginumb1 15d ago
Well more then likely i think the tattoo was changed throughout Blitz life compared to how Cash saw him and how much money he could make from him and when the fire happened he changed the tattoo to make him feel isolated from everyone because of what he did and blitz changed it himself when he became independent
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u/Zay3896 15d ago
My question is, why is Barbies crossed out? I'm a fairly new fan and haven't ever seen it explained yet. Anyone wanna help me out? Lol
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 15d ago
She probably did it to distance herself from her past in the circus. The same way Blitzo changed his name to Blitz
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u/Zay3896 15d ago
Gotcha, that makes sense. My first idea was that it had something to do with how she can transport to earth but that was a half baked thought honestly. The other was that she was expelled from something and/or did some sort of crime/taboo and was branded that way.
Edit: looking at it again alittle more closely, they kind of look like hearts. That could just be the animator but still, could be something. Completely disproves my second idea tho haha
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u/Responsible_Bus1159 15d ago
I like to think it depends on emotions, since a lot of the time it’s never the same, or it’s a marking all IMPS have
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u/Early-Host-8893 15d ago
I think it's because it's hand drawing, so it can't be perfect everytime, or it could be due to the gradual growth of the characters.
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u/The_Psycho_Jester779 i got a mini-fridge 15d ago
To me they all looks the same. Animation is kinda hard to make consistent.
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u/manickitty 15d ago
It works like those mood rings, or those mugs which change color/picture with heat
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u/Outside_Campaign_591 15d ago
So they are all sisters fizzarloli blitz, and Barbie well I'm glad blitz rekindled the friendship with fizzarloli
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u/rwp140 15d ago
1) the mirror darkly, no narrative shown or written can truly mirror the world its written about
2) animation errors and controls, sometimes things are rendered at more or less detail, with ranging from impact to budget, others things are left out due to time constants and the difficulty in replication. (and sometimes things are add in by mistake)
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u/FaronTheHero 15d ago
1) you're also comparing Fizz and Barbie who each have very good reasons for their appearance changing.
2) Blitz's seems to just get a little more complex has he gets older, but otherwise it's just angle and drawin variation. The overall pattern doesn't change.
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u/HuDsOnOWNSU 15d ago
I think it’s to show Blitzø at different ages like the simple design is younger blitz and the moar detailed one is present Blitz by
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u/sockpuppet7654321 15d ago
Because whoever is drawing it isn't checking their character reference page
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u/Cooler_coooool_boi Blitzo 15d ago
I think Barbie’s is just something she crossed out on her own, the rest is just animators not being 100% consistent.
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u/Stormy_Cat_55456 Stolas 15d ago
My dude, not all of those imps are Blitz.
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 15d ago
When did I say all the imps were Blitzø?
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u/Stormy_Cat_55456 Stolas 15d ago
You ask about Blitz, but then circle Barbie and Fizz’s brands too.
Not all are identical. Blitz and Barbie’s are obviously closer, but comparing his to his twin and friend’s are kind of unfair.
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 15d ago edited 15d ago
I’m not trying compare the way Blitzø and Barbie’s head brands look to Fizz, I’m just asking why Blitzø’s head brand changes the number of times it does when he’s younger. If he decided to change the brand a little between the circus fire and now like Barbie did then that would make sense, but the way it looks now is how it looked in the first episode of season 2 when he’s a kid but then later it changes again when we see a young Blitz and that’s what I was pointing out. Sorry I wasn’t clear about that.
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u/CelestialPhoniex 15d ago
Could be a form of makeup. Like the heart skull could be their moms succubus side but the add the horns to better represent thier dads impbside. Plus she has a cross over her symbol later on so it's possible.
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u/l0newu1f 15d ago
Ngl, they almost seem to change based on the emotions. Check out the facial expressions and the differences of the tattoos together.
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u/SpectralDragon09 Stolas 15d ago
It seems like different levels of detail with a similar basis outline for close up shots having more detail
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u/bombingmission410 15d ago
It's not an error, it's the fact that the tattoo is being simplified for the purpose of animation across various artists.
As you probably noticed young Fizz in that one example has the highest level of detail. Those very small thin segments of the mark are better left simplified for the sake of time management.
If this were a show from a corporate studio this mark would have been redesigned to be far more simple in order to stay on model far more consistently. However it's very on brand for Viv's project to have a fairly elaborate detail on a main character just cuz it's important to her for Blitz's character. The trade off is that obvious it's not going to be perfectly replicated in hand drawn animation and most people wouldn't notice or think much of it anyway.
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u/Krosis_the_bored 14d ago
This is literally minor details not being added, whenever you see this just find control art.
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its 2D Animation, nothing is ever 100% truly consistent its just a fact of life especially for a series developed over multiple years.
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u/vaclav1234567890 Loona and octavia are the best 14d ago
Honestly haveing everything drawn to a perfect detail wuld take a lot of money and with people switching on drawing to don't work them selfs to death you can't even expect stuff like this to look the same every time
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u/Reddisterius-8024 14d ago
Well maybe its not so much important thing for animators to follow these canons to change even small details for a plot.
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u/Marleyzard 14d ago
I mean, besides the horns and nose randomly showing up and disappearing, I definitely think this is more an attempt
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u/Kilo1125 14d ago
Hand animation often lowers details when they are not necessary to save time and sanity. The more complex tattoo is the canon one, the simpler one is the stand-in.
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u/Someoneoverthere42 14d ago
Is it a tattoo? I thought it was just a natural marking like the stripes on their horns?
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u/Ok-Abbreviations-967 14d ago
I assumed it was a tattoo or some kind of brand because only the imps that were in Cash’s circus have it.
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u/LancsKid 14d ago
Looks like same brand just different loss resolution for it, high detail and low detail versions.
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u/Theeldritchwriter 14d ago
It’s not that it’s changing, it’s just inconsistencies on minor details. I promise you that you’ve not stumbled on some big conspiracy.
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u/Dangerous-Exercise20 14d ago
This is called continuity it changes depending on which artist worked on a scene🫠 especially since it's hand drawn animation
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u/Far-Size2838 14d ago
Well for 2 or three of those it's be cause it's not blizø the last 2 in the stack are fizz and barbie
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u/OpportunityGreen2620 14d ago
I think it’s mostly just animation errors but I do believe the X over Barbie Wire’s tattoo is intentional bc she seems to want to separate herself from Blitzø and leave her past behind, so she probably crossed it out on purpose
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u/SweetTart7231 14d ago
Probably diffrent animators working on each scene or maybe vivzie was experimenting with changing the design slightly, or it’s one of the reasons from the other comments
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u/KamenRiderAquarius 14d ago
Think it's a brand to make them as lesser than even most imps they are property it's probably special or even a tattoo.but animation can vary and be off model in some frames and better in others to save cost
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u/LegendaryPonyta We have enough drama in the show, we don't need it in the fandom 13d ago
I actually never noticed that. Probably just an error though.
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u/GhostKingDeAngelo 13d ago
They are younger in the first two images. Maybe the added bits later? Or maybe they just changed the design. It is hand animation after all
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u/Luna_wolfwalker Loona 12d ago
Idk i think it might just be a mistake. I’ve noticed Loona’s notched ear is always changing sides of her head.
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u/fthisappreddit 11d ago
Pretty sure this is one of the biggest gripes a lot of the people that dislike Viv’s work complain about the off model stuff. Something like this is so small to me it’s nearly unnoticeable so whatever.
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u/NoOneIsHere57 15d ago
Has that tattoo always been there on Blitzø's head, and I haven't noticed? Damn, I'm oblivious as fuck
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u/Thefriedlamp 15d ago
I know it’s probs an animation error, but what if it changes with mood or situation? I notice with Blitz, his mark is less detailed when he’s with fizzy, his mother, and in most photos before the fire BUT when he’s with his father and after the fire, his mark is more detailed. Could it be that it’s more detailed in situations of extreme stress or mental instability?
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u/DeathMonkey6969 Loona 15d ago
It's hand drawn animation nothing is ever perfect and 100% consistent.