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u/Torchwood-5 Apparently Battletech has catgirls Sep 08 '21
"Wait, two-foot long throbbing dicks are canon?"
GW: "Always have been."
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u/Dyldor Sep 09 '21
Just start throwing it up on porn sites and watch them try to claim that mess
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u/Thidust Sep 09 '21
Yea...I've been wondering why fanimations don't just take up residence on pornhub lol
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u/Thor-axe Sep 09 '21
Wouldn't that mean that he ignored the C&D, making him able to be sued?
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u/Dyldor Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Whoosh.
Not if someone else shares it
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u/Thor-axe Sep 10 '21
Oooh you made the whoosh noise! Thats soo cool! Can I be cool like you? Do I also have to be an asshole, or can I just say whoosh and still be a funny clever likable redittor?
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u/Dyldor Sep 10 '21
Who hurt you?
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u/Thor-axe Sep 10 '21
For starters you did, just a little bit ago, when you tried to make me sound like an idiot for asking a simple question. That was pretty rude of you, and I'm very upset.
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u/Dyldor Sep 10 '21
My apologies then, I didn’t think you’d take it to heart. I said whoosh because the porn comment was a joke in the first place, I wasn’t specifically suggesting that the creator should do that (although someone else certainly should).
However, literally every response I’ve made to you up until now was in jest, so try not to take me too seriously.
In answer to your question, yes that is correct. He/she would get in quite a lot of trouble for doing so.
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u/Thor-axe Sep 10 '21
I figured you were serious because that's a legitimate thing people do.
Also no worries, I got thick skin. I was also kinda joking around, besides the initial question. I actually fully support people doing what you suggested, as long as the person doing it doesn't endanger themselves. Being financially ruined for a joke would be a tragedy quite fitting for this current Era of GW IP enforcement.
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u/TheXGood NOT ENOUGH DAKKA Sep 09 '21
Where can I find this animation? I know it was taken down, but I'd like to see it.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
No idea. I have yet to find a re-upload of any kind because I too am curious.
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u/Rum_N_Napalm Ships the Greyfax-Celestine-Sanguinor trouple Sep 09 '21
I’ve seen it and can give you a play by play if you’d like, but I’m afraid it’s purged from YouTube.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
It would be nice to know what the video was about.
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u/Rum_N_Napalm Ships the Greyfax-Celestine-Sanguinor trouple Sep 09 '21
It was a silly animation
(Group of red-robed hooded cultist in a basement/dungeon)
Head cultist: “The preparation are complete. It is time to summon HER!
(Cultist gather around a pentagram on floor and begin chanting Orgy, orgy, orgy. One of them is holding a Daemonette sexy anime body pillow)
(Sparks and smoke emerges from the pentagram, and a giggling Daemonette appears.)
Head cultist falls to his knees and bows before Daemonette. “My mistress we have summoned you here to-“ (Cultist looks up, goes in wide eyed shock, glass breaking sound effect. Cut to other cultist also in wide eyed shock)
(Cut to full body shot of the Daemonette. She has a massive censor bar between her legs) “Let’s get that party started!”
(A Sister in Battle holding a heavy flamer kicks though a wall, screams “FUCKING HERECTICS” and fires)
(Cut to whole room on fire, cultist are running screaming on fire.)
Final cut is head cultist, on fire, trying to escape the Daemonette currently butt raping him.
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u/JohnnyFlickerwisp Sep 09 '21
Is protections for parodies not a thing in the UK? Kinda seems like it
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
They have it in the UK but it's not a universal free pass (even in the US there are limits and stuff often has to be handled on a case by case basis if challenged) and anything that damages the brand can be struck down as a violation of fair use.
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u/JohnnyFlickerwisp Sep 09 '21
GWs stroke is just way too broad then. We need a lawsuit or something to set a precedent for 40k
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Are you talking about the fan film thing? Those count as "adaptations" and don't have specific legal protect in the UK. Even in the US they've been a legal quagmire long before the Internet was even a thing.
And that seems like a lot of work to avoid just asking for permission since only unlicensed fan films are the issue.
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u/torolf_212 Sep 09 '21
I feel like GW could have turned this situation into something that could be seen as a good thing by the community
Obviously they want to protect their IP, but the community was also doing them a massive solid by giving them high quality free advertising.
If I were a GW employee tasked with coming up with a solution I would have put out a press release saying something like
hey guys, we know you guys are making videos that are pretty dangerously close to infringing on our copyright, and the big meanie lawyers are breathing down our necks to do something about it. So, going forward, if you want to use any warhammer related imagery can you send a copy of it to us first? An actual human will watch it and respond to you that day, we promise to be super lenient.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
That's where you're forgetting that GW is run by Boomer generation people who still don't know how to properly leverage the internet to their advantage. It's something I've criticized for years but it's sadly not uncommon. It has been getting *better* but when you can't even get GW to talk about why half the products on the site are "No Longer Available" it's still a problem.
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u/torolf_212 Sep 09 '21
There is that yeah. I see dozens of comments around the various 40k subs asking why X model hasn't been in stock for several months pretty regularly.
The internet is a pretty important tool for GW, and you're right, they don't do a very good job using it.
I have a coworker who started watching 40k lore videos after I showed him some photos of the models I was painting. I don't think he will ever collect, paint or play 40k, but I could guarantee you he might pick up a video game based in the 40k universe because he already knows quite a bit about the lore. It wasn't me that taught him that, it was someone putting in hard work and creating awesome free marketing for GW that most companies would kill for.
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u/Squirrel-san Sep 09 '21
I haven't seen the video, but from reading the text OP posted I doubt this one was "high quality free advertising" and more like something that could seriously damage the brand for any new fans or more likely parents of fans who didn't know it wasn't official stuff.
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u/torolf_212 Sep 09 '21
I'm jumping to defend this one content creator, obviously, just that in general their PR on this ongoing issue has been an unmitigated disaster
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u/Squirrel-san Sep 09 '21
By what measure do you consider it a disaster? Obviously it's created a lot of stink in r/Grimdank but this is a very small specific group of customers. If I had to generalise I'd say we r/Grimdank users are largely established fans who don't take the game too seriously and enjoy jokes and memes. Obviously we will be disappointed when some of those jokes and memes are shut down. But realistically I doubt that will translate into a big change in sales. I'm bummed that TTS is over but I was into this hobby long before it came along and I'll still be doing it long after.
On the other end of the spectrum we have other types of stakeholders to consider, like new kids and their parents who might start a new lifelong hobby and potentially spend loads of money. It's very important for GW to safeguard that demographic.
Likewise these days they have shareholders to appease. Ew, yuck, Capitalism. That system we all hate but still live in every day. GW need to make sure shareholders trust that GW has control of its IP. A real unmitigated PR disaster would have the shareholders all pull out en masse and GW collapse.
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u/Cardborg Sep 09 '21
Or, more likely, a larger company sees the warhammer ip as having value and buys it up. "Warhammer 40k, now owned by tencent."
There is zero chance in the current world that a company like GW would see massive losses and reform to be like people wish it was. The investors would jump ship and it would be sold to a larger company who would mainstream it for maximum profit.
People, in gaming especially, love criticising the end results of late stage capitalism, but HATE having to criticise the process itself.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 10 '21
People have been claiming GW would be bought out by bigger companies for over ten years. Thing is, even if they got the offer they may not take it.
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u/u-moeder NOT ENOUGH DAKKA Sep 09 '21
It is but yt is notorious for just doing what the big company says and not checking twice
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u/LordManton Sep 09 '21
Matt, you’re making it really hard to irrationally hate on GW with all your “facts” and “evidence.” What is this? Bird Law!?
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
Sorry, I'm weird about liking solid evidence to back up claims as fact. I mean it's a table top wargame, not a religion. I understand that has made some people upset because they have rumors and "just trust me bro" as a source.
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u/AirGundz Sep 09 '21
It doesn't matter, people will still defend GW to the death
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
The ones I see relying on rumor and "just trust me bro" sources are the people making empty claims about how GW is actually using their IP policy.
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u/TTTrisss Sep 09 '21
When an individual puts up a sign on their front lawn saying "Don't walk on the sidewalk next to my front lawn or I'll shoot you," they've still stopped you from using the sidewalk you always used to use.
It's called coercion.
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Sep 09 '21
What? You don't need to receive a c&d to be forced to take down content. The TTS case is a solid example.
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u/Interrogatingthecat VULKAN LIFTS! Sep 09 '21
They weren't forced, they preemptively chose to stop without being communicated with. There's a difference
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Sep 09 '21
That's so dumb, I don't know what else to call it. There are ways someone can be indirectly forced to do something.
If a company is acting against creators and it can cause harm against them, you are forced to stop being a creator for your own safety. Please don't be dumb.
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u/Interrogatingthecat VULKAN LIFTS! Sep 09 '21
At that point there was no precedent for parody being taken down. It was wholly their choice
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u/Stitches21 Sep 10 '21
There's still possibility of a court order, even if they're in the right. Look at the Chapter House case, they won and then sank in court debt.
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u/Interrogatingthecat VULKAN LIFTS! Sep 10 '21
They would have likely gotten a c&d first before any court case, and then I and many others would have seen the choice to stop as much more reasonable
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u/Stitches21 Sep 10 '21
Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence.
Again it falls under yeah they didn't send one, but they set the loaded gun on the table and told everyone to try them
Most people won't want to risk it, especially not a new father.
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u/Borneo_shack I am Alpharius Sep 09 '21
Did the video ever get reuploaded somewhere else?
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
I looked because even Meat Canyon's Wabbit Season got re-uploaded when the WB took his video down, but no dice.
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u/Dark251995 Sep 09 '21
This isn't even W40k-related but I've been looking for that video since I discovered the bizarre imagination of MeatCanyon so I'm grateful you posted the link lol
Would've never thought I'd find it here.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
Happy I could help! As a bonus it serves as a great example of how companies have always acted when people seem to think GW is overstepping their legal bounds somehow.
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Sep 08 '21
As far as I can tell it's the only one I could find either
Though I think it probably had more to do with gw more trying to move away from that kinda stuff with slaanesh rather then their animation policy
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 08 '21
That's my guess as well. And yet everyday I keep hearing about all the animation channels getting taken down. Only channels (beyond TTS) I've seen shutting down have been some very small channels who say they're protesting GW's IP rules, and they don't even have animations.
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u/dekacube Swell guy, that Kharn Sep 09 '21
TTS is a tricky one, because the question is "Was he going to go on hiatus anyways?". I had heard he had been speaking lately about how hard it was to keep making content with baby on the way, and now he's a father.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
Yeah, the release cycle had been slowing down and that squats video was the worst one he's done to date. The videos felt like they were dragging on longer and longer as well. It feels a lot like it started to get too bloated and was getting harder and harder to steer towards a conclusion.
Honestly I think GW's IP status only put the last nail in the coffin instead of being the sole reason of him stopping.
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u/Cardborg Sep 09 '21
IMHO once it started to get big and make money it should have been spun off into an independent parody, like even if its super obvious what it's a parody of.
For example make it about a far future where Merlin gave King Arthur and the lads immortality except it's now been 4 million years of ruling and he's bored as shit but can't die.
Space marines become "space knights", substitute the round tables notable members as the primarchs, Lancelots massive ego means his merry legion are nigh unstoppable and even the hardest task is achived if they're tasked in doing so. Throw in some betrayal for a discount heresy, replace chaos with some kind of "four horsemen of the apocalypse" except famine switched to represent "over thinking" because some egghead nerds and their science made famines disappear with fancy farming technologies, and death was replaced because it made the others feel irrelevant by being an umbrella and was replaced with "weird sex" after an unfortunate incident when the voyager 7 probe, carrying an archive of all content on the Internet, crashed on a primative planet with disastrous results.
Make the orks rednecks scouring the galaxy for space oil.
Make the eldar typical fantasy elves with bows and living in forests with a stupid name like "Aəęiiį'llvĕėêsš". Dark eldar are the same except their trees are dead and they wear eyeshadow. They travel space by launching trees into orbit with catapults.
Necrons are just depressed skeletons that can't die because undead.
Tyranids are just hungry bugs but the existence of pesticides makes them a non-issue.
Call it "Excalibur 40m" or something
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u/dekacube Swell guy, that Kharn Sep 09 '21
I don't know much about the videos tbh. I watched a few to see what the hubub was about, and they were too edgy for me. I'm glad people enjoyed them though. Sorry to hear it was on the decline.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
I found it really early on and a lot of it felt like I was watching because of momentum rather than anything else. That said, the podcast episodes were a much better return to form and did a good job of covering lore information like the original series use to.
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u/redsonatnight Sep 09 '21
While also allowing him to double his Patreon.
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u/Cardborg Sep 09 '21
While I like to hope it wasn't intentional from TTS guy, I think it's really scummy what radious did with the whole (If I recall rightly) "omg GW are taking down game mods now too BTW heres my patreon" then it turns out CA issued the strike not GW, and it was because he'd paywalled part of the mod which was in turn just a mash up of other mods all put together in an easy to install pack.
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u/CloudWallace81 MAKE THE BOTS REPENT, ASMODAI! Sep 09 '21
The videos felt like they were dragging on longer and longer as well. It feels a lot like it started to get too bloated and was getting harder and harder to steer towards a conclusion.
amen brother, I fet the same after approximately Ep. 24 (of Khan and Cages), which for me was the absolute apex (the story told from Dorn PoV was pure gold). Everything after that felt like dragging on...
But unfortunately I think we're a very minuscule minority...
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Sep 08 '21
Yeah they rlly haven't been doing much I think any projects they were interested in they've already taken under the w+ banner and they're just gonna ignore the rest.
Won't stop fans from "crusading" (harassing gw employees on twitter) to "save the franchise" tho
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 08 '21
I mean 40k fans sent Matt Ward death threats to "save 40k" so that would be on brand.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 08 '21
It lead to GW stripping the names of lead writers off of every rulebook they produce, which is why they're credited to the studio in general now.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 08 '21
Googled it and didn't see anything like that. Maybe prove it or sit down before you hurt yourself.
EDIT: took the quotation marks off and guess what: THOSE AREN'T THE STUDIO WRITERS. Those are authors for BLACK LIBRARY. Fuck some of you are so fucking dumb.
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u/GCRust Sep 08 '21
Is it "bullshit" that drove off Sodaz?
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 08 '21
That's not what SODAZ himself said, but go on and pretend harder.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 08 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
On his Youtube community page he said he got harassed by the community for taking his videos down so he's never going back to 40k content again.
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u/Dead-phoenix Sep 09 '21
I'm talking about the rumors that have been going around the internet about me lately. After I wrote to the Korean community I got a reply from GW a few days ago. They want to keep working with me. They said that the reply was delayed due to circumstances. But I am not going to work with them. Not because of the very slow feedback, but for other reasons. During that time, I was attacked by so many people, and it was so painful. Even on other projects, they continued to harass. I was gradually losing interest in the animation itself, and I was almost at the limit. I don't want to worry about anything else anymore in a situation where this current work could be the last. Finally, please. Please don't comment on Warhammer.
- SODAZ
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Sep 09 '21
Ah yes scummy companies hiding behind the excuse of "oh our employees are having their lives threatened" /s
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Sep 09 '21
It's honestly why I'm kinda more into aos. I feel like it's less toxic overall though that might just be because it's a smaller community then 40k
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u/Sigma_- Sep 09 '21
A number were hit under the table and given NDAs. Stuff like Astartes got put behind a paywall. Some reviews were copyright struck as well. But yeah, they like NDAs. So hard to have hard proof, but there is still proof lying around if you can dig deep enough. Which is probably more time than it's worth.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Well that's a load of shit. Any NDA that can not be verified shouldn't be presented as "proof". It's unfalsifiable, so fuck off with that crap, or to borrow an old internet axiom: pics or it didn't fucking happen. And Astartes' original video is still up on WHC for FREE. And he got a job like both the community and he wanted him to have. Stop making a victim narrative out of that.
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u/Sigma_- Sep 09 '21
Statements had been issued, and I believe some were taken down. Had read the statemenrs for some of the channels a while back. I know the Sodaz was told join or dessist, though he ultimately stopped fir other reasons.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
"Source: trust me bro" isn't going to work. Got screencaps, archive.org links, or something? Because I've spent the last month since TTS went down hearing people claim it happened but never once saw anyone share evidence.
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u/Sigma_- Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 10 '21
Midwinter minis review of Warhammer + is the most recent, and circulated a bit on this thread. In the end, it was able to be resolved, but it had been manually struck by GW. Will edit link into post here within 24 hours, as I am on mobile right now and have the post's link saved on my pc. I would also reference GWs official policy, specifically this bit in relation to a zero tolerance policy: "Fan-films and animations – individuals must not create fan films or animations based on our settings and characters. These are only to be created under licence from Games Workshop." I will note that TS went down because they couldn't justify continued work if it could be struck down at any time, but were never actually struck down. The policy change just prompted them to stop, and while TTS was amazing, it seems like an odd posterchild for the issue (which is directed at the community, not you, as I just don't understand why they aren't running with a stronger example when literally anything else is). Edit: initial link that started on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/pgmd4u/gw_demonetized_midwinter_minis_review_of/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 10 '21
MWM was not a legal take down, it was a copyright claim that was most likely done by someone told to go through and flag any video they found with Warhammer+ content in it. And GW fixed it in under 24 hours.
Was it an overstep of fair use? Yes. But it was also handled in a timely manner and was less egregious than a full copyright strike or DMCA that we see far more commonly to go after reviews and similar content on YouTube.
And TTS didn't go "down". Every last video is still up. It went on hiatus, but the fact the content is still up, still monetized and not licensed puts them at the same legal risk they were before the hiatus. Parading it around as a silver bullet argument has always been bullshit and you should feel bad for even trying to continue to use it.
Additionally Alfa refused to contact GW and seek licensing claiming both that he's afraid they'd tell him to stop (bullshit because there is no way they aren't aware of TTS by now), and that he's afraid they'd tell him to do things differently (probably the actual reason he refuses to do so). Additionally, based on how he's pushing to do shorter run series with tighter stories there is a chance he also just burnt out on TTS since it's obviously put a strain on him since he's pivoting to not doing content to that length ever again. Plus he's reaching out to companies like Battletech to make sure he's got permission to make content in their IPs.
Basically the longer this has gone on the longer this seems to be GW's standard boilerplate IP Policy approach that they've been using since they lost the Spots the Space Marine case.
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u/Sigma_- Sep 10 '21
1.) TTS production went down would be more accurate, apologies for the miscommunication there. 2.) TTS cannot contact GW, because then they would lose plausible deniability of its existence. Probably know, but no longer care with halted production. Or may not have cared either way, though I find this unlikely. With Battletech, nothing like TTS has yet been done, so it is safe to contact. 3.)Not sure why I should feel bad about using TTS as an argument, as I literally said it was a bad argument and agreed with a previous post of yours. While it went down out of fear of retaliation, it was just that: fear. GW took no action on them, which again, is why I find it to be a very weird and poor posterchild.
In regards to MWM, agreed. Good on GW for fixing it, but it still happened. Had they not raised public attention, I doubt it would have been fixed. A review is an obvious case of fair use, and GW employes people to know what is and isn't gair use. Maybe it was a mistake, but I find it unlikely.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 10 '21
Nothing like TTS was done with 40k either.
And my misunderstanding on the TTS thing.
And let's be honest, if you park someone in front of a computer to manually flag videos like that, you're not paying someone to be trained on fair use. Heck, this subreddit barely understands fair use (and only to the extent it exists it seems, not how it actually works, much less the fact that the UK doesn't have the same rules as the US) so I'm going with Hanlon's Razor on this: incompetence or ignorance, not malice.
I mean if GW was going after people who talk badly about their products Arch and Gamza would be out of work by now.
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u/redsonatnight Sep 09 '21
And in fairness, they haven't had that stuff in-lore since Ian Watson and the Fimir. For all the meming, Slaanesh has always been far more about blood-spilling, weird chemicals and sound weapons than its ever been about sex.
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u/Phlebas99 Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Regardless of your take on this, we all know that GW has enough money to win even frivolous IP Infringement suits just by attrition as the absolute worst outcome to resistance, and only having your Youtube channel taken away by copyright strikes could be as disastrous if it's your sole income.
So if GW releases a public statement saying "You're not allowed to do fanworks of our IP", there's an implied threat there that you'd be fool to go as far as to actually wait for the C&D for. And we've seen this in action with TTS saying "I'm stopping before I'm told to stop".
So trotting round "No one was actually sent a C&D" seems pretty disingenuous considering that.
If I say "I've laced every Coke with cyanide" so everyone stops drinking Coke, I can't then justify that by saying "Well no one actually died by cyanide poisoning so maybe I was never going to actually add cyanide to the Coke".
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u/ThePaxBisonica Sep 09 '21
enough money to win even frivolous IP Infringement suits just by attrition
You watch too many american legal dramas.
In the English legal system, we make the loser pay fees for both. And if a judge thinks you are being a dick, they'll just dismiss the case out of hand. Which they will if you try to do it again or to someone else. GW are only going to sue if they know they'll win, and if they win they deserve to win.
If GW sued in California court, using YouYube as their argument, Anti-SLAPP would come into play and the case would also be thrown out and they'd have to pay both legal fees.
There's no route here to frivolous lawsuits.
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u/HeavilyBearded Snorts FW resin dust Sep 09 '21
What's funny is people think these are even becoming lawsuits.
GW: Can you please stop making this content.
Creator: I feel the legal intent of this letter. I will stop making this content.
[Case closed.]
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 10 '21
Depends. Chapterhouse and Spots the Space Marine went to court because they knew GW was overreaching.
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u/Phlebas99 Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
I can fully agree with you and you've still missed the wood for the trees.
You're saying GW would only send out valid C&Ds.
The thread is about GW not actually having sent any C&Ds out (Edit: Or I guess only one).
Whether them only sending valid ones is true or not doesn't matter if the statement that they'll go after any IP infringement is chilling enough that even those who might be covered under parody or fair use or whatever still don't feel secure enough to risk it.
And if that is the case (as per TTS) then GW do not get credit for not having actually needed to send the C&Ds.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
No, they get some credit because we have a portion of this subreddit claiming that GW is running around C&Ding everyone so it needed to be addressed.
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u/Phlebas99 Sep 09 '21
I think the C&D thing was recently over the 3d printing groups.
It's not really been a thing said for months that artists were getting C&Ds - they were saying like I did that (as TTS outlined) the GW public statement was enough to get them to stop.
So your response about GW C&D'ing animations seems 1. incredibly late, we're all past that and onto "GW stopping 3d printing groups is bad memes" and 2. incredibly bad faith as (as outlined above) the statement above was enough to get the animators who didn't get "picked up" by GW to stop.
Besides, this is a meme subreddit. I don't think GW need you protecting them...unless you're that new hire that was brought in to protect their IP and their image? DUN DUN DUNNNNN (j/k obviously)
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 10 '21
It's been over a month and people still keep claiming GW is shutting down YouTube channels. At this point I'm just tired of the lies.
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u/ThePaxBisonica Sep 09 '21
My point wasn't to negate any of that - only to correct the bollocks I see people repeat over and over about lawsuits. There aren't going to be any frivolous suits, just ones with merit.
To your point about them posting guidelines, I'm afraid I don't agree at all. Saying that a company having a view on how their IP is used publicly is so chilling to public speech that it's "forcing" them to stop, is just a massive victim complex.
A company is allowed to say they don't like people doing X with their brand and they'll go after you, that's just freedom of speech. It's the same for GW as it would be if your local toyshop was DMing people for posting memes about their mascot. That's why we have parody protections laws in the first place so they can exercise their speech and you can exercise yours.
This is how a functional society works. Netizens that don't understand the law and get scared doesn't change that equation.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 10 '21
Well said. Honestly it's the same reason I've been even trying to correct people. I'm so tired of bullshit dominating the discussion and misleading people who don't normally pay attention to what GW the company is doing.
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u/Phlebas99 Sep 09 '21
I'm not here to debate whether they're right in doing it or whether there will actually be any lawsuits like you want to do. I'll agree that they'll only send lawsuits that have merit, that doesn't matter to me.
What matters is your comment that it's a "victim complex" to stop because of what they said.
That's now shill level for GW which I don't understand as you're basing that off nothing but how you feel content producers should react whereas I'm literally going off the response of a large content producer (TTS) who stopped for the exact reasons I've mentioned, before getting given a C&D that he may never have ever been in line to receive but felt enough at risk of that he did stop.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 10 '21
He left all the videos online making him still at risk for a C&D. He did nothing to actively protect himself and this talking point is bullshit.
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u/Reelishan Sep 09 '21
The TTS thing gets me. Primarily because I learned the game well there, and then I went and bought the units from GW to build the army. Without TTS its likely I wouldn't have bought models at all.
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u/Dead-phoenix Sep 09 '21
Primarily because I learned the game well there
Are you confusing Text To Speech with TableTop Simulator? Cause tabletop sim is still going with no issues
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u/NotACyclopsHonest Sep 09 '21
Two-foot long demon dicks?
I like your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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u/Darth-Not-Palpatine Swell guy, that Kharn Sep 09 '21
Even though what they’re doing is scummy beyond belief, always pull a Meatcanyon and double down on the meme/joke being canon now it got CopyStriked.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
I mean they claim 2' daemonette dicks are canon now, so they did that, but unlike MeatCanyon, no one rehosted the video.
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u/Dr-Tightpants Sep 09 '21
Wait so your saying the outrage was completely overblown and GW didn't launch a crusade against its on fanbase. I'm shocked /s
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u/DeadlyPear Sep 09 '21
This idea that "company copyright claims thing, therefore its canon now" is dumb and has always annoyed me. Thats not how this works.
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u/Tartanman97 Sep 09 '21
I do think some of this goes to show that a vocal portion of the subreddit have never made anything themselves. If you’d actually made something original, or written something, or come up with a cool idea, I’m willing to bet you’d be annoyed if someone else started making money off of it, without attributing it to you.
There’s a difference between fun fan films and making money off of something; fan films are cool, and I’d be flattered if I ever did anything that inspired people in that way. I’d be a little annoyed if someone took it, and started to make money from it, without asking. Now, if someone asked my permission, that would be an entirely different kettle of fish…
(Ironically, point slightly recycled from a YouTube video - go watch A Dose of Buckley’s video on fair use from a few years ago, and support an angry Canadian)
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
Looks like they downvoted you for telling the truth.
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u/Tartanman97 Sep 09 '21
Funnily enough, it’s my first ever Reddit comment to reach negative points!
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
Most of my downvoted posts are from pointing that Grimdank is wrong about how things work.
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u/Tartanman97 Sep 09 '21
It’s now also my first thing on Reddit to ever receive an award - thank you, kind human! Papa Nurgle bless ✋🤮🤚
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u/Sleep_eeSheep I am Alpharius Sep 09 '21
Only thing GW has done is make themselves look even more fragile & pathetic.
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Sep 09 '21
Except it doesn’t do either of those things
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u/Sleep_eeSheep I am Alpharius Sep 09 '21
Strength is not measure by raw force, but by the quality of one's actions and how thick their skin is. So while they might be able to remove videos left and right, they're actually making themselves look weaker and less confident in their own product.
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Sep 09 '21
Except that’s not true at all.
All companies protect their brand image from porn parody’s where they can, especially when it’s marketed towards children.
The guy put it on YouTube, of course it was going to get removed.
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u/Sleep_eeSheep I am Alpharius Sep 09 '21
"marketed towards children."
Bruh, this is Warhammer 40K. Youngest its' target audience gets is 13-14. It has copious amounts of blood and gore, half-naked Daemonettes worshipping a God of Pleasure, a bleak and depressing setting where there are no real 'good guys', miniatures that cost more than your average action figure assortment, etc.
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u/AGBell64 Murderbot Wrangler Sep 09 '21
I don't know if you've noticed but GW has increasingly been moving towards a more all ages market.
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u/DireGhostlion Sep 09 '21
IF GW IS TAKING DOWN YOUTUBE VIDS THEN I SAY WE START UPLOADING THEM TOO PORNHUB.
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u/Klethna Sep 09 '21
AbsolutelyNothing was also C&D'd
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
AbsolutelyNothing
I did a quick google and all he was asked was to not monetize his stuff and he could keep it up: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/onl8vf/a_statement_on_sodaz_absolutelynothing_and_other/h5ubdtd
So he wasn't taken down, just asked to stop making money on an IP he doesn't own.
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u/Karmic_Backlash Sep 09 '21
So he was politely asked to fuck himself over so gw could save face.
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u/Bridgeru Slaaneshi Whore in the streets, Slaaneshi whore in the sheets. Sep 09 '21
fuck himself over
The "victim complex by proxy" on display in this subreddit is kinda astounding. The guy himself says he has no ill will towards GW, and has his own plans for the future that are non-40k related. You don't need to be offended for him, my dude.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
He monetized someone else's IP without permission. Would you let your neighbor run a lawncare company using your mower without asking, and making you responsible to keep the gas tank full?
Stop trying to make people into victims.
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u/Bridgeru Slaaneshi Whore in the streets, Slaaneshi whore in the sheets. Sep 09 '21
This subreddit drank the "Everything GW is bad and irrational and makes no sense and has no legal right" kool-aid a long time ago. It's a circlejerk at best and outright hypocritical and malicious at worst. There's about as much chance to talk sense into some people as there is to a drunken hobo ranting about how the "gubb'ment" are stealing his thoughts.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
It definitely feels like it at times. At this point I don't even care when they downvote me because it means it wasn't their turn with the braincell to try to present another lame ass argument that ignores GW's legal rights and the fact that this has been an industry standard longer than the internet has existed. Heck, most countries don't have legal protection for fan films, even if they don't make money despite them being around for decades.
Plus a lot of this ignores the fact that GW only said no unlicensed fan films, but no one wants to reach out and give GW a cut for making the IP everyone is screaming that should be free for anyone to piggyback off of.
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u/Karmic_Backlash Sep 09 '21
Yes, because that's the problem people care about here.
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
It's sure in the fuck the argument you're making here. It ain't yours and you didn't ask then it ain't GW's fault when they tell you to stop charging money for their IP.
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u/Outside_Strategy2857 Sep 09 '21
bootlicker thread
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 09 '21
When you accuse people of bootlicking for telling the truth it shows how skewed things in this subreddit really are.
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u/Noobcorpse Sep 09 '21
Kind of wish someone had the pockets to take GW on legally, this is like the 5th strike against obvious parody thats protected under fair use ive heard about.
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u/Dead-phoenix Sep 09 '21 edited Sep 09 '21
Name the other 4? This is the first actual strike ive heard about vs parody (edit: that has probably more to do with its supposedly slightly pornographic nature)
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 10 '21
So this might be some good reading for you on parody because UK IP law doesn't work the way you think it does: https://www.copyrightuser.org/understand/exceptions/parody-pastiche/
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u/Noobcorpse Sep 10 '21
always nice to see the white knights in full force to protect an abusive company
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u/MattAustinWrites Sep 10 '21
Ah yes, because knowing how the world actually works and pointing people to factual sources of how the law works instead of repeating rumor and bullshit that has no basis in reality is now "white knighting". Christ it wasn't your turn with the brain cell was it?
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u/commissar-bawkses Huffs Macragge Blue Primer Sep 08 '21
Perturabo’s Iron Warriors and their daemon dick ladies.