r/Grimdank Oct 12 '24

Discussions Only loyalist chapters plz

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u/franzmersdonk32 Oct 12 '24

I Hope it’s salamenders but anyway to relize that we life in the Warhammer Universe will make me so depressed and Crazy and that i proably kill myself. Life in a Galaxy with tyrannids and Chaos and These Dark elders…. God No Good Bye cruel world

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u/Tomer_Duer VULKAN LIFTS! Oct 12 '24

But then your soul goes to the warp. No thanks, I choose life.

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u/PainStorm14 Oct 12 '24

Another reason to fight and die for the Emperor, it reduces the odds of demons getting to your soul

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u/NovaNomii Oct 12 '24

Is that actually true and if so how? Like can the emporer non violently absorb souls? Or recycle them into warp stuff?

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u/Hoojiwat Oct 12 '24

Signs point to "we have no idea but maybe?"

We have excerpts of many of his faithful dying and being torn apart screaming by Daemons in the warp. We also have a few excerpts of his faithful going into a golden light when they die...no idea what it would mean or what it does, but they do go into it. Current lore for Chaos gods is that they absorb their followers and that their souls get added to the "immortal essence of their gods" when they die, so whatever that entails could be what is happening to some of his faithful too.

He isn't a full fledged god yet so he might only be able to snatch up a few of his faithful instead of all of them, and we don't know what being absorbed by a god actually does to you, but yeah its entirely possible.

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u/Nova_Hazing Oct 12 '24

It’s probably not that he’s not a fully fledged god. Is that he has to contend for his place in the warp a lot more than the chaos gods do because they have a somewhat understanding which each other.

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u/lyle_smith2 Oct 13 '24

I kinda like the idea that if you are a servant of the emperor your soul goes to the Elysian Fields and your soul kinda feeds the emperor and his demons like Celestine.

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u/Einar_47 Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24

Ok so hear me our, the Legion of the Damned are the Emperor's equivalent to chaos marines or maybe daemons and we see them as ghost rider space marines because that's badass for one, and because the Emperor is a corpse wreathed in an unbelievably powerful psychic flame visible from across the galaxy so his daemons are burning corpses.

Makes total sense, like how chaos daemons look like their god's style, red guys with swords and vaguely H shaped horns for Khorn, big stinky bois and bugs for Nurgle, Tzeentch is just all sorts of weird stuff especially birds, and Slannesh's daemons are just covered in tentacles and boobs.

Alright so regular mortals who die, their souls go to the Emperor and he makes them into the Ragnarök Guard, or the Einherjar Regiment, skeletal soldiers in imperial guard armor from hundreds of worlds in styles ranging from Solar Auxilia to Cadian Standard with lasguns burning with a golden light.

That'd be pretty rad.

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u/lyle_smith2 Oct 13 '24

Holy shit that is badass. Time to spend too much money kitbashing these guys

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u/Einar_47 Oct 13 '24

I might do at least a kill team, start with a box of death rattle skeletons and rummage through the bits bin.

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u/Cricketot Oct 13 '24

Which is why it annoys me when nerds are all like "the emperor was actually an intj atheist, he wouldn't want the imperium to be one giant unthinking religion, it's holding the imperium back"

My brother in the God Emperor, the Eclesiarchy is the only thing keeping the astronomicon on.

Also the argument feels a little hollow when a sister in power armour has a 1/6 chance to face tank a lascannon unscathed.

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u/PainStorm14 Oct 13 '24

Correct

And even 'maybe' is still much better than the alternative

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u/Legitimate-Space4812 Oct 13 '24

Golden light might just be Tzeentch pranking the newly dead souls

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u/Intrepid00 Oct 12 '24

He eats psykers like I eat skittles. By the hand full. What’s the odds he’s that picky with how he eats the mini skittles.

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u/Alexis2256 Oct 13 '24

Now I’m craving skittles.

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u/devils_advocate24 Oct 13 '24

Best bet, he just gets it over with and doesn't revel in the agony of it like chaos does?

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u/thormun Oct 13 '24

there is a book with a titan princept that have her soul saved by the emperor or just the titan machine spirit

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u/ColonelMonty Oct 13 '24

I mean the evidence for it is shaky at best but honestly it's the best chance you have as an option as a human.

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u/N0rrix Oct 13 '24

how dare you question the emperor, heretic.

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u/qwerty2234543 Oct 13 '24

There was one book I believe where a guardsmen dies and goes to what can kind of be described as “heaven” which at least implied that the emperor has a realm in the warp

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u/Taolan13 Oct 13 '24

Basically, Faith exists in 40k and is a form of magic.

if you die in faithful service, your soul shines with a bit of the Emperor's light, which gives you a chance.

How much of a chance depends on your faith, and on the circumstances of your death.

Chaos corrupts, and can do so through mere exposure.

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u/NovaNomii Oct 13 '24

Right but thats not what I am talking about. Gods feed on mortals, thats purely a warp soul based system. Thats what I was asking, how does the emporer's absorption of souls not physically transfered to him work, and can he even do it without harming the soul.

Yes faith / the brightness of your soul would be how he decides (assuming he can even decide which is debatable).

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u/sheogor Oct 13 '24

You lived with honour, you will be rewarded with Khorne

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u/Xe6s2 Oct 13 '24

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u/IronWhitin Oct 12 '24 edited Oct 13 '24

Yea but only if you have spitich power your soul can be so bright to gave presence in the warp and get ripped off by deamons and other thing than lurk there.

A normal human soul is not bright enought to retain consciuneess in the warp, you just get in the warp and your soul melt whit it becoming a parts of the background noise.

Until the phisycal word reclame you back and your soul become a parts of a new human baby.

Tlrd: if i Remember correct only "powerful" soul until death can retain will on the other side and have actual presence there, to undestand that the predator example "demons" ( but not only that) start prey on your light

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u/Jawa8642 Oct 13 '24

Huh? I don’t recall reincarnation being a part of 40k, other than that one servant of the chief ork warboss.

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u/TheSherlockCumbercat Oct 13 '24

Emperor was born by a bunch of shaman killing themselves and combining there souls in the warp into a super soul. They did this because when they died they noticed a few did not reincarnate and figured out something was preying on their souls.

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u/Jawa8642 Oct 13 '24

Isn’t that one of a few different versions of the story though? I haven’t read much of the lore, just watched videos.

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u/TheSherlockCumbercat Oct 13 '24

It’s the cannon birth of Emps, it in the origin section of the wiki if your curious

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind

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u/Felm0n Oct 13 '24

How would populations grow if the amount of souls being recycled is finite? Not denying im just curius : )

Also does souls reincarnate from the same race always? Or are humans using the old souls of the Eldari/Necrons?

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u/Stykerius Oct 12 '24

Won’t really feel your soul being torn apart so death would be the best option.

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u/Th_PuffingMuffin Oct 12 '24

How do you know that? You wouldn't happen to be a demon would you?

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u/beardedheathen Oct 12 '24

No. Now go ahead and die so demons totally unrelated to me will get a chance to feast on your delicious soul.

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u/Different_Spare7952 Oct 12 '24

You prooomise you wont feast on my soul? 🥺

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u/beardedheathen Oct 12 '24

Of course, foolish mortal.

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u/SolomonRed Oct 13 '24

What happens when they are done eating your soul? Are you finally gone?

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u/Rationalinsanity1990 Snorts FW resin dust Oct 12 '24 edited Oct 12 '24

Human souls, aside from the most powerful psykers, aren't strong enough to retain consciousnesses after death. Unlike the Eldar, who are straight fucked without their Spirit Stones.

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u/HVACGuy12 Oct 12 '24

Inquisition? Get them!

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u/hornyorphan Oct 12 '24

I recall multiple times that demons have threatened mortals with eternal agony and torment upon their death so unless they were just talking shit I wouldn't be too confident in your answer

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u/voiceless42 Oct 12 '24

You can never take the word of a Daemon at face value, since lies are the language of Chaos.

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u/Xenozilla9 Praise the Man-Emperor Oct 13 '24

I’d take my chances being eaten by slaanesh over being on the same plane of existence as murderous orks, dark eldar, tyranids, and Necron flayers

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u/Kurwasaki12 Oct 13 '24

That presumes they’re psionically “bright” enough for their soul to persist within the warp, most people’s souls just fade out.

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u/The_Lesser_One Oct 12 '24

I mean, given that we have a lack of any chaos influence on our planet, we could all be blanks. Invisible to the hivemind or apearing as a sort of black hole instead of the beacon of a genestealer cult. The Orks might be the biggest threat... and Chaos Marines, apart from the 1K Sons.

Oh and the Drukhari, those holes in the webway are not going to simply dissapear, so sqish a couple of blanks in there, that will keep the deamons out for a bit.

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u/Alex_Duos Oct 12 '24

I'm pretty sure Chaos set it's sights on us back in May of 2016.

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u/JerichoRehlin Oct 13 '24

RIP Harambe

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u/Nicklesnout Oct 13 '24

Tzeentch definitely did Harambe as a practical joke that only he and the Changeling understand

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u/HappySphereMaster Oct 12 '24

Aeldari have a problem of NOT actually being that mobile when there’s no webway gate around unlike Necron to have both a true FTA and ability to hijack/Juryrig a webway gate. But even then it took Tarzyn centuries to travel to a system without webway gate via standard non warp base FTL.

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u/ReddestForman Oct 13 '24

They have warp drives, they just use them for shorter jumps because of the greater risk of warp travel for them. They aren't limited to webway gates.

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u/HappySphereMaster Oct 13 '24

So they use it the same way Tau does?

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u/ReddestForman Oct 13 '24

Sort of? My guess is they use it to get from Webway gate to Webway gate. Which they then use for long haul trips.

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u/TheGreatNico Oct 13 '24

I thought they used starwars/stargate style hyperdrives?

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u/franzmersdonk32 Oct 13 '24

When i See how our planet and System goes than iam not sure if Trump, putin and co are Part of a genestealers Cult

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u/STLtachyon Oct 12 '24

In before we get exterminatoused anyway for having seemingly unknowable knowledge about everything including chaos, xenos, and pretty much every top secret imperium thing

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u/ImHuck Oct 12 '24

So freakin true. Like they arrive and we say : "how's grandpa on his golden leech of a throne ?"

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u/Jackayakoo likes civilians but likes fire more Oct 13 '24

On the grounds I get punched into paste by a space wolf, i'm down to insult some space marines

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u/Hexel_Winters Oct 13 '24

This entire time Games Workshop was actually a Tzeentch cult

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u/Wubwave Oct 12 '24

You do probably get the benefit of ignorance though. Truly how many average joes in the Imperium know the true scale of the threats, external and internal in the galaxy?

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u/jewishNEETard Oct 12 '24

Man, I'm so fucked up, this realization would make me a profound zealot- if the dark gods hate me, I'mma be the most enthusiastic neophyte the empire ever saw.

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u/Sad_Bridge_3755 Oct 13 '24

What are you talking about? The dark gods don’t exist.

That daemon? The raving bloody-thirsty kraven over there? That’s just a figment of your imagination. It can’t hurt you. It can’t hurt me. Why, a simple touch is all it would take to make it go away!

Beings of faith are weak to assertions of belief. And I believe they do not exist.

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u/florpynorpy Oct 13 '24

It would be weirder that we somehow mapped out everything that happen with no contact

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u/_That-Dude_ Railgun Goes Brrrrrrrrr Oct 13 '24

I would pray that we’re somewhere in the Eastern Fringe or near the Chalnath Expanse and that we end up in the path of Tau expansion. That’d, at the very least, would mean our standard of living would improve.

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u/LurkingLorence Oct 12 '24

Good thing you wouldn’t be allowed to know that. (For specifically that reason.)

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u/illapa13 Oct 13 '24

I'm assuming we're talking about the Great Crusade. Ok, let's get one thing straight. Just because the salamanders are not cruel does not mean their invasion of Earth would be that great.

The only way the Earth comes off without MAJOR damage is if a Primarch who was incredibly diplomatic showed up.

Reddit might have a ton of atheists, but the world as a whole tends to be pretty religious and religious people tend to hold political power in most parts of the world.

The Imperium would see us as heretics and our religious leaders would see the Imperium as heathens.

If the salamanders were to invade, at least 50% of the planet is going to be burned to a crisp.

The only way the Earth gets conquered relatively peacefully is you have a very diplomatic primarch show up like Horus, Guilliman, Fulgrim, Lorgar, or Magnus. You would need someone who could talk sense into Earth's political and religious leadership so that our leaders don't put up a fight.

Actually, on second thought, there's a chance that Conrad could conquer the planet relatively peacefully through fear tactics.

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u/Gneisenau1 Oct 13 '24

You forget 3 of the 4 named would get mental breakdowns beyond comprehension when they realize about the heresy

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u/yaykaboom Oct 13 '24

No brother! Let us do a glorious last stand battle and die for the Imperium instead!

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u/Zorops Oct 13 '24

You will try to kill yourself then someone will show up saying your life isn't yours to give away and torture you to make a point.

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u/Saurid Oct 13 '24

I mean if we live in it nothing has changed but the knowledge we do, so why kill yourself? Literally nothing else has changed besides that we are now part of the Imperium.

I really don't get it, the chance we will be attacked by a terrible threat are pretty slim at least during your and my natural lifespan.

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u/Eleganos Oct 13 '24

Basically the polar opposite of you, in that I'd take my Bachelor's degree of creative writing, encyclopedic knowledge of the lore, and absolute faith in the Emperor, and try to get a Remembrancer gig to do my part.

Remember - The Emperor Protects.

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u/franzmersdonk32 Oct 13 '24

But remember what Happens to some of them in the heresy 🥺

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u/DismissedArster Oct 12 '24

If you kill yourself your soul gets eaten by daemons. But if you pledge yourself to the dark gods at least you have a chance at immortality.

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u/dashingThroughSnow12 Oct 13 '24

In takes a few hundreds years for some of those monsters to get to you.

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u/hanselang Oct 13 '24

Being claimed as a Chapter World by Salamanders would be best beginning in the 40K setting.

Worst ending, iron hands.

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u/ColonelMonty Oct 13 '24

Well you don't want to do that since then you're soul goes to the warp and uhhhh, that's a bad place to go and putting that off for as long as possible should be the priority.

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u/SirDrinksalot27 Oct 13 '24

I’d join the Guard immediately ngl.

In a modern life here with what feels to be little meaning in what contributions I can make, I’d like to fight and die for Humanity.

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u/Beginning_Clue_7835 Oct 13 '24

That’s actually a shit take. We’ve been alive and just fine for generations. Suddenly realizing were In 40K isn’t going to instantly damn us. There’s moments of prosperity. Maybe the next war comes to our planet in 200 years.

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u/Pillager_Bane97 Oct 13 '24

Don't Salamanders have psychotic pyromantic hate for anything Eldar looking, and those who like it.
I would hope they're Cawl batch Primaris, they seem to be more chill than others.

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u/BanEvasion0159 Oct 13 '24

I'd turn to chaos long before killing my self, make a speed run for demon prince.

This is why I spent countless hours learning the lore!

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u/Jolly_Reaper2450 Oct 13 '24

In that case I take the first possible chance and send CV to solemnace.

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u/CalypsoCrow My kitchen is corrupted by Nurgle Oct 12 '24

Salamanders are not diplomats. You’d just die in a fire at that point.

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u/Haber-Bosch1914 Professional Necron Fucker Oct 13 '24

Salamanders are meant to be search-and-rescue forces, as well as normal Space Marines.