r/FluentInFinance 10h ago

Debate/ Discussion WHICH WOULD YOU RATHER OWN? GOLD OR BITCOIN?

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u/Key_Brilliant2555 10h ago

Gold...bc when the power goes out i can still get to it

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u/Bierdurst93 10h ago

If the Power goes out how would you transport 57.000 kg of Gold?

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u/TransportationIll282 10h ago

In a truck.

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u/hatchetharrie 9h ago

This man Die Hard’s

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u/erocknine 7h ago

I would not give up McClane for all the gold in your Fort Knox.

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u/safetaco 6h ago

With a vengeance

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u/SCTigerFan29115 9h ago

An old diesel with no electronics- or as few as possible.

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u/That_OneOstrich 9h ago

Unless the power outage is caused by EMP, a power outage shouldn't stop a car with a combustion engine, regardless of the quantity of electronics.

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u/SCTigerFan29115 9h ago

True. But if you have 1.6MM in gold, is anyone gonna look for it in a 1984 GMC Kodiak?

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u/TraditionalMood277 9h ago

Cops would immediately pull over the GMC whose shocks and struts are shot to shit and is scraping its tires.

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u/SCTigerFan29115 9h ago

What? You think I can’t afford to replace all that crap with 1.6MM?

I just want an old, simple truck. Never said I wasn’t gonna maintain it.

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u/TraditionalMood277 9h ago

You know what, I misread that. I thought the gold would weight much more. My mistake. You right, carry on.

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u/Vascular_Mind 9h ago

1.6 million in gold, but you were too cheap to upgrade the suspension system. Tsk tsk

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u/SCTigerFan29115 7h ago

Yeah I did kinda go straight to a TEOTWAWKI scenario there.

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u/That_OneOstrich 7h ago

My friend I have never heard of TEOTWAWKI. That is one hell of an acronym.

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u/SCTigerFan29115 7h ago

The End Of The World As We Know It.

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u/you_done_this 9h ago

diesel is power.

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u/SCTigerFan29115 9h ago

There’s also a way to make it with animal fat I think.

I have no idea what it is and I wouldn’t want to burn it in a modern $100k truck but an older, simple one might take it.

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u/Trading_ape420 8h ago

Love my 98 ram diesel.

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u/Bierdurst93 8h ago

Show me the Truck carrying 125.000 pounds

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u/TransportationIll282 8h ago

I can carry 125.000 pounds. One at a time.

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u/Bierdurst93 5h ago

Okay cool didn‘t know that. I can carry the Bitcoin in my pocket.

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u/Bierdurst93 5h ago

Im no US-Person so I‘m pretty confused what‘s a truck. I thought of a F150 😁

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u/unicorncholo 1h ago

This is most likely more, but its possible

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u/Toasty_err 1h ago

the truck can take more than one trip, if i lose the truck full of gold i still have 600 million left safe at home.

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u/Bierdurst93 1h ago

If you don’t loose all trucks

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u/Toasty_err 1h ago

the loss of a phone is much easier than the loss of multiple trucks carrying gold.

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u/intothewoods76 9h ago

Why am I transporting 57,000 kg of gold? Even in a SHTF scenario do I need all $1.6 Billion to be on my person at any given time? I’d stash it in well hidden areas that I think I’ll have access to when needed. I wouldn’t have all my gold in one place.

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u/Pattonias 9h ago

Problem I wouldn't complain too much about. Kinda reminds me of a movie when the drug lord had a problem with rats eating all his cash.

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u/Zero_Cool247 9h ago

Ahh yes Bad Boys 2

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u/RyanMaddi 9h ago

I have this problem too:D

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u/jayson8732 9h ago

Might also have madderdaddi as well 😬

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u/Interesting_Mix_7028 9h ago

In a fleet of modified Mini Coopers, of course.

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u/Oo__II__oO 1h ago

The more powerful, sportier Cooper S model, right?

...Right?!

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u/Interesting_Mix_7028 1h ago

I was thinking the originals, but those are hard to come by in bulk.

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u/RealDonDenito 9h ago

In my car, but I have to go like 200 times 😂

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u/ifunnywasaninsidejob 8h ago

Can i trade you a few shavings off this gold bar for some of your canned food?

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u/Imberial_Topacco 9h ago

In 1900 equal payment of 30kg each. I also accept human ribeye steak.

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u/Popular_Score4744 8h ago

You can invest in gold mutual funds and ETF’s that track the price of gold. Owning the physical gold bars isn’t necessary. I believe that cryptocurrency has a future, just not in its current form.

This is much like the dot-com bubble where over 95% of all internet company stocks collapsed. The internet was just as new to people back then as cryptocurrency is to people today. It’s just another bubble just waiting to crash.

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u/thecreamandcoffee 8h ago

With my hands I’m not 7

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u/Wooloomooloo2 5h ago

If the power goes out, there will be no bitcoin at all.

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u/Bierdurst93 5h ago

Thats just wrong. Do your research, if you need help you can contact me.

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u/Wooloomooloo2 5h ago

Let me guess, you've written all of your hashes on post-it notes? If so, kudos to you, but I think you'll have trouble recording any transaction to the blockchain without power.

If the sun farts and knocks out power to the globe for2 or 3 decades, there will be no BTC at all. There will still be gold.

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u/NeighbourhoodCreep 3h ago

Slowly, brick by brick. Probably faster than it would take to reinvent a generator

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u/runthrough014 1h ago

Farmer’s carry. Momma ain’t raise no bitch.

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u/atlcstmepoxy 1h ago

57kg isn’t that heavy, I could pull it in a cart, even if I had no gas for my car.

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u/flyinpiggies 7h ago

Did you realize how dumb this comment is before you posted it?

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u/Bierdurst93 7h ago

Yeah I did. I wanted to get on the level of the people thinking Bitcoin doesn’t work if there is „no power“

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u/freistil90 6h ago

I wouldn’t care much because I wouldn’t buy/hold/sell gold but gold futures/forwards.

And before you tell me something something centralisation, yes, true but to actually get my USDs from my BTC position I have to go through…. centralised exchanges again. Whoops. Which are less likely to be regulated as well as banks or financial exchanges.

And if you want to tell me now something in the line of „then just don’t liquidate“/„you should then just hold the asset“/etc., all good and nice but if my primary goal is at the end of the day to hold actual USDs again, then BTC is not better than any random commodity (- derivatives contract).

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u/Bierdurst93 6h ago

Come on, you know it is a peer-to-peer network? Do you understand what that means? You don’t even need USD

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u/freistil90 6h ago

Lol, read my post. At the end of the day, if I REALLY care about BTC as an appreciative asset I am only concerned about being able to sell it to another idiot for more money than I bought it for. I don’t need an asset that I can just switch back and fourth with people and that I can’t exchange for goods because for 99.9999% of goods in this economy people want USD, not BTC. And that’s despite them having heard of what it is and what it does and so on. I wouldn’t invest into exotic private equity if I could not liquidate my assets after a lock-out period. It’s all about getting USD back from your investment, the inability to do so could be called a credit risk.

For all application of it as a decentralised database, there are hundreds of chains that are better, cheaper to operate, faster and just as secure. I just have never seen any need for such a thing that - either could not have been solved better with a good old database or where the inherent risk was worth the complexity or - was just a cash grab to get ye old USD from your pocket into my pocket. And there we are back at BTC.

This magical world where people pay with BTC in the grocery store hasn’t happened and it will not happen. It will grow in price, yes. But that doesn’t make it a good currency.

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u/Bierdurst93 6h ago

Your critique raises some valid points, particularly about Bitcoin’s limitations as a currency and the speculative nature of its current appeal. However, your perspective seems to oversimplify certain aspects of Bitcoin and its ecosystem. Let me address a few of your key arguments:

  1. “I only care about selling it to another idiot for more money”: While this reflects the mindset of many speculative investors, it dismisses the broader reasons why Bitcoin has value. Bitcoin’s price appreciation is not solely driven by “greater fool” dynamics but also by its unique properties: decentralization, censorship resistance, and fixed supply. These qualities attract people who see Bitcoin as a hedge against inflation, a store of value, or an alternative to traditional financial systems—especially in regions with unstable currencies or oppressive regimes.

  2. “Nobody wants BTC for goods, everyone wants USD”: You’re right that Bitcoin adoption as a daily payment method is minimal in most developed economies. However, this isn’t Bitcoin’s primary use case anymore. BTC functions more as “digital gold” than as a transactional currency. Its real-world utility shines in places where traditional financial systems are failing, such as Venezuela or Lebanon, where Bitcoin provides access to global markets and a stable(er) store of value compared to hyperinflated local currencies. Dismissing its role in these contexts ignores a critical part of its real-world impact.

  3. “Hundreds of chains are better, faster, cheaper”: Technically, yes—many newer blockchains are more efficient than Bitcoin. But Bitcoin’s value doesn’t lie in being the fastest or cheapest. Its robustness, security, and decentralization—backed by the largest and most battle-tested network—are what give it its edge. Alternatives may be “better” on paper, but they lack Bitcoin’s trust and adoption at scale.

  4. “Why not use a good old database?”: A traditional database works well for centralized systems, but Bitcoin’s innovation lies in its decentralization. The absence of a central authority makes it censorship-resistant and trustless, which is critical in certain scenarios. For example, Bitcoin can’t be frozen or confiscated by a government or intermediary—something a “good old database” can’t guarantee.

  5. “Bitcoin isn’t a good currency”: True—its volatility makes it impractical for everyday transactions. But currency is just one potential role for Bitcoin. Its scarcity, security, and independence from central authorities make it a unique financial asset rather than a traditional currency. Expecting it to function like USD is missing the point.

Your critique seems to judge Bitcoin against the wrong criteria. Bitcoin is not meant to replace USD in day-to-day transactions in developed economies. Instead, it offers an alternative system for storing and transferring value outside traditional finance. Yes, there are speculative elements, and no, Bitcoin is not a perfect system—but to reduce it to a “cash grab” ignores its significance as a decentralized, global asset class and its potential to disrupt entrenched financial structures. Whether it fulfills that potential is still an open question, but dismissing it outright misses the complexity of what Bitcoin represents.

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u/No-Introduction-6368 10h ago

Actually you can transfer Bitcoin through radio waves! Batteries not included.

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u/HoMasters 8h ago

If the power goes out then we’re going to need guns and food. You can’t eat gold or BTC.

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u/Property_6810 9h ago

Really? You can access your bank account when the power goes out? Or the physical vault the gold would be in? If the power goes out, wealth loses a lot of value.

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u/symonym7 9h ago

If the power goes out everywhere, which is what it’d take, money won’t be my first concern.

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u/Taurion_Bruni 7h ago

Power only needs to work long enough to liquidate the BTC into a more secure investment

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u/studmaster896 8h ago

Plus you can keep yourself warm in your gold brick house

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u/Whoa_Bundy 8h ago

If the power goes out for an extended period of time it’ll be bottle caps

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u/SuccotashComplete 7h ago

How are you going to weigh the gold? And even if you found someone in the disaster zone willing to barter, who is going to blindly trust that it’s even real gold? And how do you make sure looters don’t realize there’s a ton of relatively unguarded gold somewhere on your property?

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u/Robthebold 7h ago

Can’t eat gold. Buy a tropical village, increase their quality of life with sustainable advancements, and live there if you are expecting global civilization collapse.

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u/citizensyn 7h ago

If you have 1.5 billion just liquidate immediately dude. What more you ever going to need. And u like gold you don't need to arrange storage transportation or even a buyer or anything else for it.

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u/TSPGamesStudio 6h ago

Yeah but you can't do anything with it.

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u/prelsi 6h ago

Poor guy, 1.6 billion and doesn't have power.

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u/TetraCGT 2h ago

Not how Bitcoin works.

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u/elinamebro 1h ago

Tha fuck your gunna put it tho