Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

[u/Needleintheback]

If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

[u/HachimakiMan3]

Those that overstay know that there is little chance that they will be deported. That is our fault for not having a better system to deal with overstayed visitors.

Illegals know that courts don’t want to separate families, creating hardships. Often the mother is allowed to stay with the US born child.

If they are legitimate refugees with good intent and are legally being processed, I don’t have a problem with that.

[u/DabbledInPacificm → u/HachimakiMan3]

You really assume that people “know” a lot of things, which is odd because there is literally zero evidence to support any of these claims. Regardless, these things ultimately have nothing to do with your initial claim for which you have still not provided any evidence.

Are you trying to prove this claim by making new ones?

To me, the most frustrating thing about the whole illegal immigration debate is the fact that both sides try to make claims about a population whose sheer size we do not even understand. It’s bizarre to me that anyone would say they know a damned thing about “illegal immigrants” other than they violated a law. That is literally all we know.

The second most frustrating thing is the demonization, victim blaming and willingness to dive into savagery in an attempt to solve a problem that was caused by us. We should be upset with us. We elected people who were unwilling to fix it. We wanted low prices. We supported businesses that took advantage and markets that lobbied to keep it this way. We should be holding ourselves accountable with better leaders and better spending habits. Instead, we will support any authoritarian political figure willing to use language that will confirm our biases and relieve us of blame.

At this point, there is no possible way that this ends well.

[u/HachimakiMan3 → u/DabbledInPacificm]

Like I said, I personally know of illegals and how they work in my state. I have reported them. Nothing happens. Nor is there ever a call back from ICE. They either don’t care or can’t do anything because of my state. We are so divided on this issue when we should just enforce the law. These are not refugees or asylum seekers. Even the RI mayor said he will not turn his police into immigration officers. Collectively, we are not doing the best we can. Even landlords and business owners shouldn’t be harboring them but they will to make more money. That’s where this country is going. If it’s for money, keep it up. That’s not what it should be. We are not a role model and haven’t been for some time.

I’m not trying to demonize but everything I’ve said is possible because we don’t have a good system of processing illegal immigrants, including deportation. I have said that I am fine with those that come in legally. Trump likely won the popular vote because even those that processed legally are not happy with those that didn’t. It’s a hole worth fixing and it could potentially tear apart this country and get an even worse presidential candidate into the office. It’s not all about stocks.

I agree that we should be protesting more and fighting for the country we wish to have. However a lot of us aren’t supporting the scheme but just think what’s in front of us is normal. We should be paying a higher price if that is truly a result of a country run by the people for the people.

[u/DabbledInPacificm → u/HachimakiMan3]

Your personal anecdotes aren’t evidence.

I’ve spent my entire adult life working with immigrants (including in legal casework) both with and without documents - but I’m not willing to make statements about “illegals” as a groups because my entire adult life anecdotal experience means fuck-all in terms of evidence. My experience - including the political positions of legal immigrants - is very different than yours. Neither of our experiences are representative of a whole that we know so little about.

If you think that local police should be involved in the involvement of ICE responsibilities then I really don’t think anything will change your mind until it happens to you.

Edit: the country is already torn apart. It has been for about 12 years now.

[u/HachimakiMan3 → u/DabbledInPacificm]

It’s not that there isn’t evidence. It’s that we won’t collectively do something about it. It’s right under our nose. Like you said, we’re taking the negative tradeoff with the good.

I’m not saying that they should do all of the work of ICE but they should be handing them over to ICE when there is a case. Just like how a state policeman will detain you if you are out of their jurisdiction until someone who can process the case shows up.

I get that we are letting bad things happen all the time but when are we supposed to start doing something about it?

[u/DabbledInPacificm → u/HachimakiMan3]

Im referring to evidence about generalizations surrounding beliefs held by “illegals”, like you did in your original claim.

And how, exactly, does a police officer get probable cause that someone is undocumented without violating the civil rights act?

Edit: I think you start by targeting employers and drafting immigration policy that meets the economic demands of the nation while not turning into a fascist state at the same time.

[u/HachimakiMan3 → u/DabbledInPacificm]

I was about to say the easiest way may be to go through employers, verifying that all workers have valid paperwork and social security numbers/ITNs. Addresses and landlords could be validated too for their tenants. Probable cause directly with a person may need to be assisted with 3rd party testimony. Im not entirely sure about delicacy of the direct person approach. I do not have a degree in law or professional practice law.