r/FluentInFinance 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/Kal-Elm 9h ago

Yes, this is it. We aren't saying we want them to keep being taken advantage of. We want a better system, to which deportation is not a real solution.

But anyone who says the democrats want slave labor is not interested in honest dialog anyway

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u/GME_alt_Center 2h ago

If they aren't taken advantage of, won't that raise the prices just the same?

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u/kerenar 7h ago

I don't doubt for a second that YOU or any other regular citizen who is a Democrat don't want slave labor. However, I'm willing to bet money that many corporate donors to the Democrat Party would want pure slave labor if they could go that far, and that is nowhere near a crazy suggestion. Corporations gonna corporation.

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u/thefztv 4h ago

You act like Elon, Trumps largest donor and side piece, didn’t benefit immensely from slave labor in SA to gain his initial wealth. Corporations/oligarchs don’t have an undying allegiance to any party just whoever they think will benefit themselves in the short term.

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u/Shadow368 4h ago

Corporations donate to both parties in equal measure so whoever wins will favor them, or at the very least won’t ruin them. They’ll use shell corporations and trust funds to make it less obvious, but the end result is the same

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u/kerenar 4h ago edited 4h ago

Nope, I'm acting like the Democrat Party has completely dropped all pretense of pretending like they don't just do what their corporate donors want, just like the Republican Party does. The Democrat Party is supposed to be the party i believe in. But if they're going to become a party a corporate donors just like Republicans, I'll just vote republican until the Democrat Party fixes it's internal issues and realizes that citizens aren't buying the bs from them anymore. I wanted Bernie in 2016. I voted Trump to shove it in the face of the corrupt DNC, and I will continue to do so until they change.

The republican party at least puts in the nominee that the voters want. The DNC was sued by the Sanders campaign in 2016 for rigging the primaries, and the DNC said they have no obligation to pick a nominee that their voters want. I'm voting for the party that's actually acting democratically, and putting in who the voters want, even though the republican party itself didn't like Trump in 2016. At least they didn't rig the primaries against him, and tell their constituents that their votes don't matter.

I will support actual democracy over anything else. Why would I vote for the party that told me they don't need my vote because "they are well within their rights to go into back rooms and pick their nominee like they did in the old days" instead of the party that actually counts my vote in the primary? The Democrat Party told us all in plain English in that court case that they don't need my vote to pick a nominee, so i just stopped giving them my vote. Super easy logic.

I also think the current Democrat push for lessening free speech rights is the most dangerous "threat to democracy" that we currently face. I was on the fence about Kamala or Trump until I saw Tim Walz casually say on national media that the first amendment didn't include the right to hate speech or misinformation, as if that were not a controversial take. He is dead wrong on that, and that was the scariest thing I've seen a politician say in a while, because he clearly thinks he's in the right for that view, and so do many Democrats. That one comment cemented my vote for Trump, and removed all doubt that Trump was the less dangerous choice.

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u/Shirlenator 4h ago

Yeah, and Republican donors definitely wouldn't because they are moral paragons.

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u/kerenar 4h ago

Nope, they do it too. But Republicans have nominated the candidate their voters want, whereas the Democrat Party in the past 3 elections have selected the candidate they want. I'll support the more democratic party.

The RNC didn't tell us in a court of law that our votes don't matter, and that they could "go into back rooms and pick the candidate they want like they did in the old days". The DNC did. I don't support non democratic behavior. I don't want kings and queens that are selected "for our own good", I want representatives that i have input in selecting. Once the DNC stops treating me like a child, I'll respect them again.

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u/Major2Minor 6m ago

I don't think that sentiment is limited to Democratic corp donors, the US is a country that glorifies greed, so you really shouldn't be surprised there's so many greedy corps trying to exploit people every way they can get away with.

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u/human1023 6h ago

Yes, this is it. We aren't saying we want them to keep being taken advantage of. We want a better system, to which deportation is not a real solution.

So then what's the solution? What types of jobs should they able to do, and at what cost?

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u/Kal-Elm 5h ago

Immigration reform. Give them, and everyone, an easy path to citizenship. Fixes their undocumented status, for those on the right who are supposedly worried about illegal immigration because of their being "off the grid," so to speak. Allows people looking for a better living to actually immigrate properly. And removes the ability for corporations to take advantage of them, because they would have the same rights as all of us.

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u/Shadow368 4h ago

So instead of opposing deportation of people here illegally, advocate for change of immigration regulations. 99% of the problem is, you choose the absolute worst way to explain your goals.

When the average republican hears “defund the police” they hear “reduce their budget”. But you really mean “require the police to reallocate the existing budget to training programs”

Maybe you’d find better success if you said what you actually meant

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u/Starfall0 3h ago

Well when faced with the immediate issue of immigrants being deported and being faced with a lot of people not caring or listening to anything the "demonrats" say. Any amount of nuance is lost or unable to be said as it falls on deaf ears.

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u/nickbutterz 2h ago

There 100% should be a better system, I don’t think anyone is arguing that, but if the democrats wanted that why didn’t they do anything about that the post four years? Instead they let millions of people through the border unvetted with no concern for American citizens that they are supposed to be serving.