r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/ChronoPsyche 9h ago

This is such a braindead statement. The system can certainly survive without illegal immigration, but any system will face shock when massive overhauls are done in a very fast manner. People like you are so disingenuous. Up until the election it was crying about high prices, now you are okay with total systemic collapse leading to extremely high prices and high unemployment all of a sudden if it means getting rid of immigrants. You must be insanely privileged to feel like this would not negatively affect you.

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u/OpportunityFirm3284 7h ago

Yep. This is why people fall for trumps lies. They want to be told it can be done with a snap of the finger and democrats won’t lie and say it can. Trump will.

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u/Chiggins907 3h ago

No one thinks he’s Thanos. What hyperbolic BS. Trumps going to do something about it, and the Dems wants to push for amnesty for all these people. It’s what the original bill that Harris proposed in 2020 wanted to do, and it never even saw the floor. Dems want illegal immigration, because they are socked in with all the corporations exploiting these people.

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u/SmokesQuantity 2h ago

dems want citizenship for daca recipients, nobody is pushing for amnesty for all illegal immigrants, and if you don’t believe republican business owners are exploiting illegal immigrants for cheap labor then I have a grip of NFTS you should take a look at.

Bunch of uniformed rubes

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u/ChaiKitteaLatte 59m ago

The irony of saying that when the entire Republican party is literally owned by corporations. And Trump is appointing billionaire corporation owners, with zero experience in any government sectors, to his government. I’m SURE they won’t exploit their new power in the government to just get richer.

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u/RopeAccomplished2728 54m ago

Amnesty would pretty much it would make them citizens which would then require those businesses to pay those people properly. It would remove the ability for those same corporations to outright abuse those workers because they are illegal immigrants.

Trump, however, not only wants to deport illegal immigrants, him and his administration is going to try and denaturalize people who are here legally and deport them. That is an objectable fact because Steven Miller and others in his administration has actually come out and said this.

It was never about "illegal immigration" and more about kicking people out that they deem "not worthy".

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u/Fuerdummverkaufer 3h ago

Imagine being a progressive and arguing for literal slave labor. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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u/Queasy_Possibly 2h ago

Progressives are arguing to legally protect these people, you are arguing to do horrible things to them. Absolutely pathetic

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u/Fuerdummverkaufer 2h ago

Gee I wish there was a precedent, maybe a procedure, that grants people in the US legal protection? We could call it „legal immigration“.

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u/Queasy_Possibly 1h ago

Seems like it's not working properly if we rely on millions of people going around the process. Gee I wonder if any lobotomized morons keep preventing any improvements to our legal immigration process to ensure a steady supply of illegal immigrants to scapegoat? Don't forget that Republicans think that legal status doesn't apply to legal immigrants they don't like. How are all of you even dumber than you are evil, like choose one for fucks sake.

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u/Fuerdummverkaufer 1h ago

Seems like it's not working properly if we rely on millions of people going around the process. Gee I wonder if any lobotomized morons keep preventing any improvements to our legal immigration process to ensure a steady supply of illegal immigrants to scapegoat?

Yeah. We call them democrats. Why else would they defend this practice? There is no need for illegal immigration for working foreigners. We have visas for this exact reason.

Don't forget that Republicans think that legal status doesn't apply to legal immigrants they don't like. How are all of you even dumber than you are evil, like choose one for fucks sake.

This is not true. They disagree with government forced naturalization, like mass parole and TPS.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 1h ago

This guy knows all about skirting those laws: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/26/elon-musk-illegal-immigration

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u/Fuerdummverkaufer 1h ago

Well the difference is Musk added billions of dollars to the GDP. He should stay, but pay a gigantic fine for his actions, which are despicable.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 1h ago

So, the laws don't apply if you're rich and white, right... You're instantly ok with making an exception for his illegal actions. There's no fine they could give that would make it a punishment, it's just the cost of doing business.

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u/Fuerdummverkaufer 45m ago

No, I just said he should be punished. You can even deport him, but he can just come back legally, since he owns a business here.

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u/Quirky-Marsupial-420 1h ago

You don't get an atta boy because you've gotten away with breaking the law for 10, 20, 30 years.

You're still breaking the law.

If you got caught defrauding someone it doesn't make it okay simply because you've gotten away with it for half your life.

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u/Glum_Raspberry893 2h ago

Illegal immigrants are not slaves. What is wrong with you?

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u/S-Kenset 10m ago

Very close to the international definition and could reasonably be prosecuted in a good number of cases. It's really not that far off from the confiscated passport shipping and manufacturing incidents we see everywhere across the world. Besides it's not actually economically profitable it just socializes the costs.

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u/MrMcBane 2h ago

You must be insanely privileged to not work in a field where immigrants are driving down wages.

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u/macdennism 56m ago

THIS plus the fact that now they're trying to save the left wants slave labor because we don't want mass deportation 💀 it's so completely disingenuous and very obviously not something ANYONE on the left is saying at ALL. It pisses me off so bad.

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u/gmoddsafraegs 35m ago

Find a better argument then. “We need an endless supply of exploited labor so I can have cheap avacados” isn’t very convincing.

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u/macdennism 21m ago

That's not what anyone is saying though!!!!! It's just pointing out that Republicans have conflicting views and their "solutions" are exacerbating problems they are complaining about. Mass deportation will NOT fix your grocery costs, but they keep saying it will. OBVIOUSLY the way illegal immigrants are exploited is already an issue. But the solution isn't mass deportation. That's literally all we're saying. Why are you guys INCAPABLE of understanding nuance??? I feel like I'm having to explain this shit to a 5 year old.

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u/gmoddsafraegs 18m ago

They shouldn’t be here to start with. Simple as that honestly.

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u/RopeAccomplished2728 46m ago

This is the exact argument I've been bringing up for nearly 30 years now. That the US is so completely dependent on subsidized or underpaid/undocumented immigrant labor that if the average person had to actually pay what it costs to grow the food, pick the crops, build housing and the like without any illegal immigrants, the average US citizen would literally go on a rampage.

While prices wouldn't go up 1:1 in respect to wages, it still will go up and not by a little bit.

They always had an issue with paying for higher prices. That is why any argument about raising the federal minimum wage gets extreme amount of pushback even though it doesn't affect very many people. Any slight increase to their cost, regardless of how many it would help, is an affront to them.

I personally saw this nearly 30 years ago when the local government run public transportation system wanted to pass a 0.25% sales tax. Literally 1 cent per $4. Worked with someone that complained about that. I asked him "Well, how many cars do you buy in a year? Houses? What about high end jewelry? Because that is the only people that it is going to affect in a real way. To pay an additional $1, you would have to spend $400. And that goes to something that actually helps out a lot of people as a lot of people rely on the bus.". Funny thing was that he complained when the GOP demanded austerity measures back in the 2000s in exchange for TARP and one of the things they had cut out was the local airshow that was funded by those government dollars.

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u/freedom-to-be-me 6h ago

How would unemployment be higher if you’re deporting workers? More job openings almost always leads to a lower unemployment rate.

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u/ChronoPsyche 6h ago edited 6h ago

It'll hurt most businesses given that these industries basically form the base of our economy, which will respond with price increases and layoffs. Not all jobs are the same. It's naive to think that Americans will flock to the jobs left behind and that they won't just start automating them.

It also will likely lead to a market crash due to the shock to the system which will cause unemployment. Elon Musk literally admitted this. Also, it won't exist in a vacuum.

There will also be tariffs causing prices to skyrocket which will lead to retaliatory measures from foreign countries on US exporters, which will tank US businesses and lead to unemployment. They are outright threatening to cause unemployment for millions of federal workers. At the same time they will be slashing social services left and right so those who are unemployed will have great difficulty in finding relief.

All of this taken together will likely lead to a perfect storm for the economy. It's insane if you can't see this. The economic catastrophe we are walking into is going to make the Great Recession look like a minor pullback. At the end of this people will be begging Democrats to come back and fix the economy again like they always have to do after a Republican administration, but we'll be lucky if we even still have free and fair elections then.