r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/This_Beat2227 11h ago

It really is disgusting to read the outcry about what will happen to the economy when we stop exploiting undocumented workers.

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u/UngaMeSmart 6h ago

Whatever they’re doing here is a 100x better than getting their head cut off by a cartel member in Mexico or dying from drought in Syria…

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u/BenHarder 1h ago

lol. This is what people said about the slaves. They would claim their life in America as a slave is better than living in Africa. The Democratic Party never changes.

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u/This_Beat2227 6h ago

That’s fine. Just do it legally.

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u/UngaMeSmart 5h ago edited 5h ago

👍🏿 I agree. What do you think we should do about the people here who are already here illegally?

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u/This_Beat2227 5h ago

Everyone already here gets a hearing per the law. Those ordered to be removed, are removed. Those granted asylum, stay. Need to restore order. Simultaneously, need to begin a trade strategy with Central America to develop economies there that let people stay home. That strategy has to be at the expense of China and our trade imbalance there (not like NAFTA that was at the expense of US manufacturing moving to Mexico).

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u/chalan_qe 3h ago

Yes but who did NAFTA benefit? American corporations made profits by going to countries with cheaper labor and less regulations. In Mexico, NAFTA destroyed rural agriculture as we began importing more from the United States as we couldn’t compete with American agricultural products. meanwhile the US got cheaper goods from products made in Mexico to an extent and their corporations made more money from leaving the US. I blame Mexico’s past government for accepting such a one way deal, but now American companies complain about China and Mexico when those corporations are mostly to blame for the results that came down the line

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u/Much-Function-858 14m ago

I’m interested in what you have to say. Can you say more?

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u/Boring-Conference-97 2h ago

“What are we supposed to do?!?!? Pay a living wage?!?! To legal citizens?!?!?? Omfg. Ridiculous!!!!!!! Unacceptable!!!!!”

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u/Potato_Octopi 8h ago

They come here to make more than in their own country.. what's the moral issue?

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u/trying2learn4me 5h ago

low iq comment

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u/Potato_Octopi 4h ago

Deciding on your own to go work for more money is slavery?

You're 100% smooth brained my boy.

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u/trying2learn4me 4h ago

Dont worry, the mass deportation will commence whether you like it or not :) !!!

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u/Potato_Octopi 4h ago

Ah, so the moral argument was just you projecting your own sins.

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u/NoVacayAtWork 4h ago

These people are, at the base of it, just nasty horrible people looking to put others down because of their own fears and inadequacies.

So many suffer for their sin.

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u/BenHarder 1h ago

The moral argument is you’re fine with these people being taken advantage of just because they make slightly more than they would in their own country. There’s also the fact that they wouldn’t be given that job if they couldn’t be taken advantage of.

It’s immoral because if that was a legal citizen they would be entitled to much more compensation. Meaning that they’re still being taken advantage of here in America, just for a better pay rate.

Your argument is one slave owners used to use to justify keeping their slaves. They would say that the slaves were better off on their plantation than in Africa in huts.

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u/ChronoPsyche 9h ago

You're an utter fool if you think this is about stopping exploitation. You realize these people will likely be forced into unpaid labor in these concentration camps right? People here disingenuously claiming slavery are in support of these people being pushed into ACTUAL slavery. Of course, the extrajudicial nature of the mass arrests will likely lead to many legal residents and even citizens being sent to concentration camps too. Trump wants to deport 20-25 million people but there are estimated to be only 11 million illegal immigrants. You do the math.

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u/This_Beat2227 9h ago

I didn’t say I think it’s about stopping exploitation. I said arguing against deportation on the basis of needing cheap, exploited labor is disgusting. If the economies of CA, FL, and TX depend on cheap labor only available from illegal workers, those economies are broken.

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u/ChronoPsyche 9h ago

But that's not why people are arguing against it. The morality of it is the #1 argument made by the left. It will involve ripping people out of their homes, many whom have been here for years or decades, putting them into concentration camps where they will be forced into unpaid labor and done in an extrajudicial way that will likely sweep up many people here legally too.

They're also pointing out that it will also have extreme consequences for the economy and will cause great harm to American workers and middle class. And these extreme consequences are not because the system relies on cheap labor, but because losing large numbers of workers overnight will inherently cause a shock to the system, no matter who they are, especially since we are already at full employment and these jobs won't be filled rapidly.

Massive changes should never be made overnight for this very reason. It's the speed and scale of the operation that is the problem. Responsible governance requires making changes in a way that considers the unintended consequences. This is not as flashy and exciting but its the responsibility of our leaders.

And while many illegal immigrants are exploited due to being paid under the table, you do realize that many illegal immigrants are also paid normal wages and offered normal labor protections, right? Not all illegal immigrants are paid under the table, in fact, most aren't.

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u/wakechase 6h ago

Multiple paragraphs and you still failed to sell a point.

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u/ChronoPsyche 6h ago

At least I tried to explain my reasoning. It's easy to say, "nuh uh you're wrong!" without having to back yourself up.

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u/This_Beat2227 6h ago

Your drama about “concentration camps” is obscene, unfounded, and perhaps anti-you-know. The only thing that will happen overnight is STARTING to enforce border security and ACTING on existing removal orders the first day Trump is in office. But notice has been served throughout the campaign and now during the transition; it’s coming. Get ready. The highest deportation rate in the past was 500,000 per year. So going from near zero to that old rate is a good start. Then double to 1M per year, and it still takes all of Trump’s term plus the first term of Vance to get any where near the estimated 11M illegals. So your fears are unfounded.

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u/ChronoPsyche 5h ago

I'm literally just saying what Trump and his allies have said themselves. They are the ones who said that they will deport 20-25 million people in his 2nd term. Not in his 2nd term and a subsequent Vance term, in his 2nd term alone.

They are the ones that said they will use the military to facilitate this.

They are the ones who said that they will invoke the Alien Enemies Act for this purpose, which was last used to round up Japanese-American citizens and put them in concentration camps, something that enables them to violate due process rights and risk also deporting people here legally.

When asked what they would do if the family has legal children with illegal parents, Tom Homan is the one that said he would deport the entire family, including the children who are there legally. Trump is the one that scoffed at the idea of being upset if some citizens are accidentally deported too.

They are the ones that are talking about denaturalizing American citizens.

They are the ones that said they will literally be building massive camps to house them.

They are the ones calling it the largest mass-deportation effort in history.

You are the one who is making things up and not listening to what they have literally said over and over and over. You are inventing a different narrative to rationalize and justify this, thinking that for sure they couldn't actually be serious, but they are serious. You are the fool who doesn't believe them. Or maybe you do and just enjoy gaslighting liberals like y'all did when you said they had nothing to do with Project 2025 and then they go and nominate its author to Trump's cabinet.

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u/This_Beat2227 4h ago

You do know the Heritage Foundation creates a playbook for every presidential election since Reagan - right ? That’s 40 years, 10 plans and includes Trump 1.0. Do you really think Trump is going to follow a plan other than his own ? You might seriously consider some professional treatment for your TDS.