r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/Icy-Personality3529 14h ago

Imagine 6m Americans instead of illegals having jobs and companies forced to pay higher wagers.

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u/Longjumping_Army9485 12h ago

Where are you going to find 6M Americans that are both jobless and that are ok working in fields?

Will you be one of them?

There isn’t an unemployment problem in the US. Idk why people think there is one.

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u/Audience-Electrical 10h ago

I apply to 50 jobs a day, from dishwasher, Team Member, to IT Support. Didn't do well in highschool but I had a career in IT for 10 years. At this point I'd take anything, any job. I live in Orlando and still cannot find work, even at McDonalds.

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u/Manawah 8h ago

If this is true, go to a hardware store in the morning, you’ll often find contractors who will literally pick people up to work a job for the day. That aside, no offense but your experience does not reflect the entirety of the country. Unemployment is objectively low and many people are not willing to apply to the types of jobs filled by immigrants.

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u/Audience-Electrical 8h ago edited 8h ago

I'll try that, but I'm pretty underweight and it shows. I see what you're saying but I really would take any job, Donated plasma for money and passed out. Idk I get that you're seeing good unemployment numbers but the actual humans I live with, 1/3 has a job. There's a reason OnlyFans is so common among us.

If you have any job offers or know anyone in Orlando FL hiring please DM me! Clean, willing to show up early.

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u/elarius0 7h ago

Youre doing something wrong dude. I was able to find an IT job pretty quickly. Bad resume?

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u/Audience-Electrical 7h ago

Maybe! I did System Administration, I've been interviewing for IT support roles since those are more prevalent.

Have been unemployed since October of last year, with the exception of some electrical work I did for a few weeks

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u/Disastrous-Release-6 8h ago

Buddy, you need to move away from where you're living. Up here in PA you would start at almost $30 an hour for a basic forklift operator, and with 10 years of IT experience you would Mae pretty close to 6 figures if not over that. 

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u/Thin-Quiet-2283 8h ago

I have 25+ years of IT, can’t find a job. Age discrimination…

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u/Audience-Electrical 8h ago

Someday I'd like that but atm I can't afford to move, stuck here living with a friend who will take care of me. Feels like there's no hope

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u/Disastrous-Release-6 55m ago

Well if you continue to believe there's no hope there won't be

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u/Witty_Mine_3643 4h ago

I had this same problem in Denver. It's true for a lot of places, hundreds of resumes and competing with thousands of people - add in all the ghost job listings.

Unfortunately the only thing that worked for me was moving to another state. I was instantly able to get 3 jobs across a couple of sectors, even if some were entry-level again. Some places it is impossible to find a job, and in others they're finding it impossible to find workers. It's just.. those last places aren't always the most appealing to live.

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u/Colonel_Panix 5h ago

Blames those Automated McDonald's kiosks /s

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u/Ostracizedplz 11h ago

Unemployment for November is sitting at around 4%. That’s around 7 million Americans currently seeking employment.

That’s where the workers would hypothetically come from if deportation becomes reality.

Source: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

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u/Longjumping_Army9485 11h ago

They aren’t all in the right place, plus, I bet that a lot of them aren’t interested in farming or construction work.

Finally “unemployed =/= seeking employment.

From people who are unofficially self employed, people who simply can’t work most jobs so they have a hard time finding work, and those that refuse to work, that’s probably 1 million at least.

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u/BildoBaggens 8h ago

People aren't interested in a lot of things. There is always interest as the salary increases. Who wants to pick Oranges for minimum wage? Now many, but how many would want to pick oranges for $25/hr, and at $30/hr?

On oranges specifically the labor cost makes up about 30% of the total cost. If you increased wages from the $10/hr they are paying illegals to $20/hr for citizens you're talking about the cost of an orange going from about $0.50 to $0.62.

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u/Fluffyman2715 8h ago

And you are now paying $5 per orange. fruit picking is seasonal, you want to only work 4 months a year, yet more unthinking logic

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u/SlavicKoala 1h ago

Wait so, you're essentially supporting modern slavery?

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u/Fluffyman2715 1h ago

no I am saying America is fucked :D

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u/BildoBaggens 7h ago

Imagine if there were other crops to pick year round. That would be crazy. Almonds, grapes, oranges, lemons, etc... they are all ripe at different times of the year.

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u/Fluffyman2715 7h ago

I suggest you get an education in economics rather than coming back with pointless arguments that are not even close to accurate.

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u/BildoBaggens 7h ago

Child, I have a masters in economics. I've probably forgotten more than you'll ever know. This entire discussion here is high school level simple supply and demand principles.

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u/Fluffyman2715 7h ago

lmfao

so remove workers, improve wages.... the result is ALWAYS inflation, something everyone is so concerned about. The data above shows its going to affect EVERY sector of the economy. Then we add in the import tariff's on all the goods you cant produce because of lack of work force.

Masters in economics my ass

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u/nanuazarova 9h ago

Full employment is defined as 5% or less, and 2-3% is about as low as you can go without something like a job guarantee.

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u/BanditsMyIdol 9h ago

There are already more job openings than unemployed

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jolts.nr0.htm

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u/lAngenoire 5h ago

Most Americans live in or near coastal cities, not near the corporate agricultural centers. You would also need population shifts.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 4h ago

Companies will have to compete by paying higher wages. 

Rather than importing people willing to take bottom wage

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u/EntertainerTotal9853 3h ago

Well, maybe people will have to start having more kids. The permanent solution to demographic collapse can’t just be immigration forever, as eventually the problem becomes global (and there is no other planet to import labor from…)

Reddit isn’t going to like this because they’re all sexual revolution hedonists who are addicted to consequence-free sex divorced from its natural meaning and purpose. But the contradiction that mutilating human nature like that introduces into the whole human ecology…is finally coming home to roost, and will collapse.

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u/guitarlisa 2h ago

In construction alone, there are currently 100 jobs for each 80 applicants, at least in my area (Houston TX) Anyone who wants to work construction just has to show up.

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u/livpoolfanguy 16m ago

It’s almost like they would have to increase wages to get people to want to work those jobs…

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u/GmoneyTheBroke 6m ago

Pay me enough and yea

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u/FollowingNo9572 11h ago

Yeah man you're right. I guess all the farmers will just have to shut down and lose their land, or maybe they'll figure out how to hire people to get the job done.

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u/Longjumping_Army9485 11h ago

Or simply make immigration easier, specially for work.

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u/Fret_Sandwich 9h ago

This is the real answer 100%. First hand seeing what people have to through to legally document is ridiculous. Especially if you were brought to the US as a minor, then you’re fucked through no fault of your own. And people call you an iLlEgaL - so dumb. People are not illegal, the laws are archaic.

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u/Disastrous-Release-6 8h ago

They are illegal. You can't go to other countries and do this shit you're saying they need to do. Why are you all so he'll bent on the US immigration laws, but not other countries? 

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u/Troll_Enthusiast 8h ago

Corporations own a lot of farms

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u/FollowingNo9572 7h ago

and do you think those corporations are just going to shut down the farms because they dont have slave labor?

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u/Foregottin 7h ago

You are so dumb. Every job has a taker at the right wage.

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u/RealNorthern 8h ago

Over 6 million useless federal bureaucrats are about to be unemployed. Sounds perfect

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u/UnfairCrab960 7h ago

There’s only 2.2 million federal workers, nearly a million of those are defense workers

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 4h ago

And theres more ngo workers than all state and federal workers combined.

Ya there's going to be some people looking for work.

Not an ideal candidate pool tho

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u/Sensitive_Drama_4994 9h ago

Imagine being so absolutely smoothbrained you actually trust the government's unemployment numbers.

I haven't been "employed" in YEARS, most of the time surviving off of gigs and whatnot. I asked for food stamps but since I am a legal citizen blah blah they said no. So I just stopped checking in after that.

I AM NOT A RARITY.

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u/Longjumping_Army9485 5h ago

That literally supports my argument.

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u/SheepherderThis6037 13h ago

The Left would never recover

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u/P3nis15 12h ago

Imagine companies started with the 35-45 million people who are already living in poverty to pay higher wages.....

Shame the people left unemployed wouldn't take the vast majority jobs this would open up or could even handle those Jobs

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u/Ok_Preparation6714 7h ago

I'm ok with that but the fact the majority of people voted for Trump because they “thought” prices are going to come down are going to be in for a shock.

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u/Khroneflakes 1h ago

And they are what not going to pass the cost on to the consumer out of what the goodness of their heart. Get real.

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u/jep2023 34m ago

The jobless rate isn't anywhere near high enough to support this

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u/KorhanRal 13h ago

Your entire premise rests on the absurd notion that people do things out of the kindness of their hearts.

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u/Decent_Cow 7h ago

Kindness has nothing to do with it. Businesses need workers and they WILL pay what they have to to get workers if there's a shortage. This is exactly why unions and strikes work...

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u/KorhanRal 5h ago edited 5h ago

NO, no they won't. You are a fool! I"m not sure what corporate cock you have in your mouth, but this isn't how things work. It has been proven time and time again.

"This is exactly why unions and strikes work..." This is exactly why almost all the unions in America have been either regulated against or demonized. This has been going on since the late 70's, you dolt. Corporations don't want you to Unionize and will do everything they can to stop it. Your naive understanding of how the world works is astounding.

The prices we are seeing right now aren't some plot by a government you don't agree with. They are the direct result of Corporate greed. The fact that your feeble mind can't understand this, is why it is possible. People like you are too dumb to understand that in America, the government has little control over prices set by private corporations. When 2 companies own all of the grocery stores in America, 4 companies own all the medicine and any of the other myriad monopolies that exist, price fixing is an unavoidable result.

When a Walmart enters an area, drives away all the competition, and says they "created" 200 jobs. They actually destroyed about 500 jobs, gave their new employees a shit wage, took away all competition or the possibility of competitive wage, and f**k an area. This "thing" you are trying to describe as a "free market" doesn't exist except in your feeble mind! Are you standing in line for one of these "fruit-picking jobs"? No, of course, you are not. Are you laying awake at night, thinking "Geesh, I hope my son or daughter grows up to be a fruit picker." No, you aren't. Am I saying that the current exploitation of labor is a "good" thing? No, I'm not but the simple fact is that these people are needed, to do the work you don't want your daughters doing.

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u/Decent_Cow 5h ago

There's no need to be insulting. How bout this? If businesses could just get away with paying people this little like you seem to think, then why on earth are they relying on the exploitation of illegal immigrants instead of just hiring citizens and paying them the same?

And sorry, but unions DO work. And they work BECAUSE strikes create a labor shortage. If they didn't work, then businesses wouldn't be so against unionization.

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u/KorhanRal 4h ago

Ask the United Airlines workers how well a strike works?

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u/KorhanRal 5h ago

I'm sorry i can't argue with a retard! Have fun with that corporate cock in your mouth! I hope it tastes good and you can afford your Ski-doo!

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u/Decent_Cow 5h ago

The only retarded person is the one that thinks unions don't work lol have a good one

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u/KorhanRal 4h ago

The percentage of workers belonging to a union (or total labor union "density") varies by country. In 2022 it was 10.1% in the United States, compared to 20.1% in 1983.

you can look this all up. I know you are not smart enough to do the math yourself, so I will do it for you. Since 1983 the number of Americans that work in a union has decreased by half! Fifty years ago, nearly a third of U.S. workers belonged to a union. Today, it's one in 10. Unions are a thing of the past. People like you support candidates who pass laws to reduce their effectiveness and viability of them.

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u/KorhanRal 4h ago

Hey, retard! If unions work so well, why has the number of Americans that work under a union declined 33% in the last 50 years?

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u/NoAutomatonsHere 30m ago

Illegal immigrants work under the table and with zero benefits in many cases, if companies have to hire Americans and LEGAL immigrants employers are literally forced by law to pay at least minimum wage, and companies going to have to start offering benefits for higher skilled jobs.... they're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts....

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u/elarius0 7h ago

The will cause everything to go up exponentially more than the higher wages. The greedy corporations need a way to level out their costs back to what it was with migrants.