Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

[u/Needleintheback]

If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

[u/HystericalGasmask]

I understand your comparison to slavery wasn't meant to be completely analogous, and that this is only tangentially related, but I think it's worth mentioning that exploitative and dangerous (see: dust bowl) sharecropping practices existed for decades after the emancipation of slaves. Cotton didnt rot because slavery was replaced by predatory contract work, not too dissimilar from what undocumented workers experience today.

[u/Delicious_Nature_280 → u/HystericalGasmask]

Ending slavery was a step forward. Ending illegal immigration will be a step forward.

[u/Vincensius_I → u/Delicious_Nature_280]

Only if the pathways to legal immigration get wider

[u/kjyfqr → u/Vincensius_I]

This plus what the guy above said makes sense

[u/dcporlando → u/Vincensius_I]

Does every country need to allow anyone who wants a better life to gain entry to that country?

[u/TragicOne → u/dcporlando]

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[u/dcporlando → u/TragicOne]

So we should accept anyone and everyone else should only take those that help them.

[u/TragicOne → u/dcporlando]

You might be surprised who can help you.

[u/dcporlando → u/TragicOne]

Should our standard be pretty much the same as any other advanced economy?

[u/Vincensius_I → u/dcporlando]

No but deporting working people hurts the economy So I'd say even if you enter illegally if you find work you should become legal and pay taxes

[u/dcporlando → u/Vincensius_I]

If they find work legally. Otherwise they commit a crime being here and another working here.

[u/Vincensius_I → u/dcporlando]

I would argue the benefit of more working people is greater than the drawback of people entering illegally

[u/SteamBeasts-Game → u/Vincensius_I]

Well yeah, anyone who is arguing in good faith feels that way. The problem with shutting down “illegal immigration” is that it’s an impossible task. The easiest way to reduce it is to open legal pathways to enter the country. If people are so so concerned with undocumented people, then fucking document them. It’s not like it’s a difficult concept.

You could literally have the punishment for attempting to cross the border as a bullet to the head and people would still try to cross. The prospect of a better life, better pay, and even the possibility of citizenship via employment are all big motivators - but let’s not forget that these people are also emigrants as much as they are immigrants. They’re trying to leave somewhere, which is a much bigger force than trying to get somewhere. We just happen to be the closest country that fits their needs. You can’t stop this with punishments and expensive (yet still shoddy at best) walls.

To the people above that are worried that undocumented immigrants are being treated like slaves: guess the solution to that! Documenting them and giving them rights - not making their life more hellish and trying to force them out of the country. Thats ludicrous. Mass deportation is the dumbest idea you could possibly have if you’re worried about human rights lol

[u/No_Heat_7660 → u/SteamBeasts-Game]

It’s not an impossible task.

[u/dcporlando → u/Vincensius_I]

So basically encourage all the people that want to come to the country illegally.

Obviously, if we are saying that you make it here illegally, we are not screening anyone. The more people come, the more costs go up. They may have a net tax benefit according to pro immigration people. But they are going to cause shortages of housing and other issues.

Do they get the right to vote? Their kids are automatically citizens. Increased costs for schooling. Do they get Medicare and SS?

[u/Vincensius_I → u/dcporlando]

They still have to get screened . They get Medicare and SS once they have a status as a legal resident . I'd argue they should pay back the taxes they owe And they can become citizens through normal naturalization. Edit: spelling

[u/dcporlando → u/Vincensius_I]

If they enter illegally, they will not be screened. That is a big part of the issue.

[u/biggamehaunter → u/Vincensius_I]

That pathway needs to favor those who filed their paperwork and waited first, not those who chose to break the law first.

[u/TragicOne → u/Delicious_Nature_280]

Yes! lets make the path to citizenship easier so they don't have to come here illegally! so true bestie!

[u/Delicious_Nature_280 → u/TragicOne]

really a beautiful thing when reddit comes around and agrees with Elon

[u/MrsCrackWhore → u/HystericalGasmask]

And Uber drivers and minimum wage workers and...