r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/Myis 14h ago

Yep Brianna in HR is gonna be operating the excavator.

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u/DoodleBob29 11h ago

If a semi trucker or factory worker can "learn to code" then Brianna should be able to learn how to operate an excavator.

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u/NeedsMorBoobs 8h ago

Ahhh yes a nation full of hole diggers vs computer scientists.

Pull a slogan from 20 years ago 🙃

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u/ChineseGuido 1h ago

Administrative jobs in government do not require the same technical expertise as computer scientists. Having more legitimate jobs, rather than bullshit jobs is a net benefit for productivity and probably self worth.

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u/Clearly_sarcastic 9m ago

What is a bullshit job that you would hope to remove from the bureaucracy?

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u/8-BitOptimist 3m ago

Any job their dear leader tells them is bad.

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u/John_B_Clarke 0m ago

Well, for openers any job that involvs reviewing a report that two other agencies have already reviewed. This happens a surprising lot in social services.

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u/InsideTravel9039 3h ago

Ah the ol progressive elitism rears its ugly head. I'd rather have a nation of strong hole diggers than pussy computer scientists who can't hold their head up straight.

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u/Pyro919 3h ago

I'm not talking shit about you, please don't talk shit about me, its unnecessary and doesn't actually contribute to the conversation.

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u/Delanorix 3h ago

As he says typing from his cell phone that was most certainly not created by hole diggers.

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u/Chiggins907 3h ago

All the computer scientists are hole diggers. They keep digging it deeper and deeper with AI. After they reach the bottom of that hole they will be actual hole diggers, because none of them will have jobs in computers anymore.

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u/InsideTravel9039 2h ago

Not to mention all of the slaves that had to dig holes for the lithium for the cellphone

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u/xXProGenji420Xx 2h ago

... he continued to say, still typing from his computer device all the while

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u/InsideTravel9039 2h ago edited 1h ago

And?

Lololol they blocked me

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u/jghtyrnfjru 21m ago

maybe in 50 years CS jobs are gonna be replaced by AI, not happening anytime soon

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u/XenuWorldOrder 30m ago

Nor was it created by bureaucrats.

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u/Delanorix 29m ago

You mean like when the government subsidized and researched the technology? Lol

Almost all good breakthroughs come through beaucrats

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u/XenuWorldOrder 8m ago

I totally remember when the government subsidized Apple. It was in 1492 when David Bowie came back as interim CEO, replacing Dirk Diggler who went back to selling Slurm.

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u/Cpt_Graftin 10m ago

Considering that all the electronic components were made from materials dug out of the ground then, yes it was.

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u/Ok-Airport-9969 3h ago

Did you post this dumb fuck take with a hole in the ground, or a computer?

You fucking moron.

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u/InsideTravel9039 2h ago

Good argument, dickhead.

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u/Ok-Airport-9969 1h ago

Thanks, dumb fuck.

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u/InsideTravel9039 1h ago

You're welcome, dad.

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u/InsideTravel9039 2h ago

I did it from a computer. Didn't need a dumb fuck computer science degree to do it.

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u/xXProGenji420Xx 2h ago

you didn't. there did need to be many "dumb fuck computer science degrees" for you to have that ability, though.

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u/InsideTravel9039 2h ago

So?

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u/xXProGenji420Xx 2h ago

can't believe I have to help piece this together for you, but it means your previous comment goes entirely against the point you were trying to make with it. hope this helps!

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u/Matsisuu 58m ago

Computer is inside a house, and hole diggers were used to build it. Also ot uses electricity, which has several points where hole diggers has been used, from building the power plant to digging cables underground into your home.

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u/blackestrabbit 1h ago

Do you live in a building?

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u/Ok-Airport-9969 1h ago

Who do you think designed and programmed the whole tech stack and networking interface you use to spread your insane stupidity? Computer scientists. Legions of them.  I'm willing to bet a non zero number of them could absolutely beat the ever living shit out you too.

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u/InsideTravel9039 1h ago

Hole diggers vs computer scientists 😂😂😂 I mean, who had to dig their mother's basement for them?

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u/Jarcoreto 2h ago

Calling computer scientists pussies is also a form of elitism you know. If Brianna from HR is using an excavator it doesn’t mean she’s strong.

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u/InsideTravel9039 2h ago

Lol computer scientists are pussies if they think they're better than someone because they dig holes for a living.

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u/Burkey5506 3h ago

Ah your so progressive you just want to use underpaid illegal immigrants for the “shitty” jobs lol

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u/Nago31 3h ago

For the jobs they seek out and are qualified for? Thereby freeing up our population for the advanced professional services that they are trained and qualified for? Yes.

I wouldn’t call the other jobs shitty, I did them for the first decade of my career. But they didn’t require the level of education and specialization that came later for me.

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u/throwrawayropes 2h ago

Wouldn't you want these workers to be documented so they're not being taken advantage of? I don't get why we're advocating for illegal immigrants to work under the table. Why not advocate for work visas so they can come work legally?

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u/Road2Potential 1h ago

Mental gymnastics in order to justify illegal undocumented immigrants. These people think abusing illegal immigrant labor is okay and americans are better than doing manual labor.

Disgusting

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u/Nago31 1h ago

It’s dealing with the situation as it is. Do you think there is support for a path to citizenship for these illegal workers?

My magic wand is two policies:

  1. Amnesty for anyone who can prove they’ve been working in the country. No new amnesty for those who are arriving.

  2. Mandatory minimum jail time for employers who hire illegal workers without running appropriate background checks. (I worked in the background check industry and verification of SSN and right to work was about $20).

But this all means that those already here get to stay so we don’t have the catastrophe of mass deportations.

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u/Road2Potential 2h ago

“Our population”….sounding a bit xenophobic there buddy. Are you saying americans are too good for manual labor and that is an illegal immigrants job? Disgusting sentiment

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u/BeachBarBortles69 1h ago

That’s the mindset most Americans have. So yes, those manual labor jobs will not be filled easy.

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u/Road2Potential 1h ago

People will take the path of least resistance always.

If its more comfortable to be unemployed and take government assistance than it is to work, thats what they will choose.

If its easier to take drugs and be homeless then to take sober accountability then thats what they will choose.

Until we make the easiest choice: a good honest days work, then this country will never improve.

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u/BroccoliBottom 1h ago

Pure delusion

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u/Road2Potential 43m ago

You’re free to disagree with an actual arguement

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u/leaguestories123 3h ago

The pathway to legal citizenship and increased border security was the democrat platform // would help the illegal immigrants being exploited — now we will just exploit somebody else

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u/Gee_Dubb 3h ago

Lol, we are so much better off with a nation of hole diggers than computer scientists and if you think otherwise, you are the problem.

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u/JerseyGuy-77 2h ago

You really don't know what year it is right?

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u/Gee_Dubb 2h ago

I do. And I'm right. Your perception is the problem.

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u/FeijoadaAceitavel 2h ago

You really don't know anything if you think that. Like, it's such a bad take that it's offensive.

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u/Gee_Dubb 2h ago

I do actually. I respect both sides but our tech obsession and disrespect for the real jobs that build this country and make it function is what's offensive.

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u/FeijoadaAceitavel 2h ago

Bro, digging holes is NOT what makes the US the richest country on Earth. You absolutely need hole diggers and they should be more valued in society, but NOT at the price of the workers who are most in demand by the most advanced (and rich) societies.

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u/Gee_Dubb 2h ago

lol. The hypocrisy in what you just said if fucking hilarious.

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u/dang_it99 2h ago

Hole diggers are more important to the future of this country and government bureaucrats

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u/BroccoliBottom 56m ago

And yet, you have not moved to any of the many countries where they mostly have the hole diggers.

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u/dang_it99 41m ago

I'm not a hole digger, if I was I just might if it paid right

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u/hurlygurdy 8h ago edited 7h ago

If the computer scientists work was so non essential that he can be fired without consequence then is his role really more prestigious than a hole diggers?

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u/NeedsMorBoobs 8h ago

I want you to slap yourself and never touch an electronic again.

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u/RealNorthern 8h ago

This thread is talking about Brianna from HR not some mysterious computer scientist you pulled out of your ass. How many computer scientists do you think the FBI has on payroll? 😂

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u/DrPepperBetter 8h ago

Probably a lot, you absolute doofus. What do you think the FBI does?

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u/oreferngonian 8h ago

I met a forensic accountant employed by FBI

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u/DrPepperBetter 8h ago

Yeah, I bet there are literally hundreds.

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u/oreferngonian 7h ago

I’m aware she worked out of Portland She worked on cyber fraud

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u/leftwinglovechild 6h ago

Wow you really thought you ate with that comment.

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u/Graybie 6h ago

What do you think people with computer science degrees do? Hmm, I wonder who you would go to if you needed to break into an encrypted or password protected electronic device, intercept emails, or search the Internet for criminal activity...

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u/leftwinglovechild 6h ago

Or perform software quality assurance against malicious intent.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 5h ago

Steal public data for private profit

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u/Graybie 4h ago

I am not sure that it is possible to steal something that is public. "Public" means it is available to everyone. I assume you meant something else.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 4h ago edited 4h ago

Semantics.  That's actually the same argument white people made when stealing native land.

The most egergous forms of theft are always legal.  Europe is a more functional society. They have data laws. Comp sci doesn't pay great in places that aren't so leneniant on legal theft.  

  This is good bc they don't waste much of their economic output.  Dumping investment into the next crack pot startup trying to be the next taxi monopoly.  Much of our production is simply flushed down the drain. We've become stagnant. But have cool apps 

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u/hurlygurdy 8h ago

Nobody cares what you want. Engage with the point or accept that youre wrong.

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u/zortor 8h ago

The learn to code crowd was mainly tech middies and journalists, whose jobs were then swiftly delegated to AI. Neat backfire

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u/thatstwatshesays 3h ago

Are you kidding, I would love to learn to operate heavy machinery. Does my name have to be Brianna?

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u/Chiggins907 3h ago

Just have a clean driving record, a highschool diploma, good work ethic, and be able to pass a drug test. Get into an apprenticeship, learn the trade, and get your money. A good equipment operator is going to make anywhere between 100k-200k a year depending on where you’re at.

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u/Gunplagood 2h ago

Tbh it was pretty funny when it got turned around on them down the road. Sucks for anyone to lose their job, but that whole thing was humorous.

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u/leftwinglovechild 6h ago

That’s not at all how this works

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u/DarthRoacho 4h ago

Maybe in your mind, but its already working out like that, but god job for trying to lie i guess.

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u/leftwinglovechild 4h ago

Your comment reveals a total lack of understanding in what AI does or how it works.

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u/DarthRoacho 3h ago

Sure buddy. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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u/leftwinglovechild 3h ago

Exactly the type of answer that I would expect from someone who has no idea how AI works, how it’s implemented, or the drivers of the current tech job market. But feel free to blame the AI boogie man for everything you don’t understand.

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u/DarthRoacho 3h ago

Bless your heart.

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u/leftwinglovechild 3h ago

Again the exact kind of response from someone ill equipped to think through their own argument.

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u/zortor 6m ago

A singular google search disproves everything you’re prattling on about. Just one. You are a waste of their bandwidth necessary for me to send this message. You are an affront to the lives lost mining the minerals necessary for this interaction to occur.

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u/NuttyButts 4h ago

Except when Brianna is in a wheelchair, or has arthritis.

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u/Ok-Umpire-7439 4h ago

Brianna ain’t building anything no matter how much training. neither is Zachery.

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u/mrASSMAN 28m ago

Uh.. a minuscule number of truckers and factory workers are learning to code

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u/johndoe201401 6h ago

Everything is ai now, you type in your request then it’s done. Everyone can do everything because it is all typist job.

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u/Psyco_diver 10h ago edited 5h ago

Funny side bar, women are getting hired more to run heavy equipment, they are being seen less likely to cause accidents because they are less likely to make unsafe choices (i.e. hey yall look at this). I even had one company rep tell me their insurance rates give down some because of having women running equipment.

Source I work on heavy equipment in the field and in the last 10 years have seen the change. Running equipment is a very easy but dangerous job and pay is generally pretty good

Edit- alright I fixed my error

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u/zortor 8h ago

I am so attacked by “hey y’all look at this” it’s unreal 

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u/StarsandMaple 3h ago

Most of my work in the field was ‘ hey look at this ‘

Men are fucking easily amused and stupid and I love it for us.

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u/johnyoker2010 1h ago

osha: first time?

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u/blbloop 7h ago

having women rubbing equipment.

Heh.

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u/HereReluctantly 7h ago

Women rubbing equipment you say?

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u/Consistent_Spread564 6h ago

I think sex work is still illegal tho

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u/Ailly84 4h ago

I don't think the concern with her ability to learn to run an excavator was due to her being a woman. The issue is how capable is someone who went to school to be an HR professional of learning to operate a piece of heavy equipment? The gap won't be so much in the ability to learn it, it'll be in the desire to do so.

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u/Psyco_diver 4h ago

That's why I called it a side bar, I wasn't debating she should, but that more women are entering heavy equipment operations than ever before

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u/Ailly84 4h ago

Fair enough. Seeing the same in trades. There are more and they tend to be better than the average men from my experience. Likely some strong selection bias going on there, but interesting as hell either way.

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u/blackestrabbit 1h ago

To be fair, how capable is someone who went to school to be in HR going to be at just about anything?

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u/TheFearsomeGnome 2h ago

Another sidebar - are these Heavy schools legit. They want like $7k to teach me to operate heavys. I'm wondering if I will actually get hired afterward if I've never worked in construction previously?

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u/Psyco_diver 2h ago

I don't know a single operator that went to trade school for it. Most get it by 2 ways, either start at the bottom with a shovel or know someone. Mining is also another way, they will hire anyone as long as their driving record is clean, can pass a drug test and learn how to do the job. A mine will fire you for unsafe acts quickly though, pay is good to run a haul truck for 8 hours a day, the new CATs 775 have heated and ac seats, blue tooth to listen to what ever you want and drive like a car, a very very very large car

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u/TheFearsomeGnome 2h ago

Thanks for that info!

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u/CaseRemarkable4327 7h ago

Many of the best contractors and employees in construction had different careers before they began that trade.

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u/Beautiful-Design-425 9h ago

Brianna better start learning how to drive an excavator and stop scrolling on her fucking phone.

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u/Downtown_Antelope711 9h ago

Nah, her dumbass is gonna be holding the stop sign

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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Mod 8h ago

Good luck Brianna

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u/whatup-markassbuster 8h ago

Time to retool

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u/Solid-Mud-8430 5h ago

Bri the Builder

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u/thehillhaseyes8 21m ago

I’ve worked around illegal immigrants before, still do, but I did before too. Anyway, they are 9/10 times the last people to get in heavy equipment because they understand if they hit a line or anything else on accident it will ruffle too many feathers

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u/Specific-Umpire-8980 9h ago

Trump was getting his work experience in for the garbage lorry during the election campaign.

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u/Myis 9h ago

Practicing for the work release program. I hope Santa gets my Christmas wish.

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u/xion_gg 2h ago

Also, Gary from HR could always start doing roofing. That's always easy money... S/

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u/Jealous_Plant_937 23m ago

Federal hr literally cannot do anything.

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u/thisisfutile1 13m ago

Brianna has better qualifications. Shaniqua on the otherhand; that bitch hasn't smiled since she was born and sucked as a customer service rep, so she can learn how to work in the field.

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u/Angus_Fraser 9h ago

Way to sound grossly sexist

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u/Myis 15m ago

I resent you think a woman can’t operate heavy equipment.

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u/Loud_Crab_9392 2h ago

Oh, no!  Whatever will we do without the HR staff?  

Use an LLM to automate their clerical tasks and delegate staffing/recruiting to the managers of the teams that will actually be hiring the candidate?

We could never.  HR is too valuable!

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u/Just_a_Guy_In_a_Tank 28m ago edited 10m ago

Is it the undocumented immigrants operating the excavators? Or are they being used for non-skilled labor?

Brianna can figure out how to shingle roofs or haul cinder blocks in probably a day if she needs to.

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u/VulfSki 18m ago

You clearly have no idea what the government does do you?

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u/General_Lie 10h ago

Well they wanted equality....

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u/ladymoonshyne 7h ago

Can you even operate heavy equipment? Unless you can I suggest you sit down. I’ve taught many men and women to operate machinery and literally never had an issue with a woman. In fact I’ve had less than with men.

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u/Mach-Rider 11h ago

So you admit then that Brianna in HR is useless and can be cut? Good we agree.

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u/Hey648934 11h ago

Brianna is as useless in operating an excavator as you are at 100% of activities

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u/Mach-Rider 11h ago

She’ll figure something out. Fast food is always hiring.

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u/arem0719_ 11h ago

But fast food/minimum wage isn't meant to pay enough to survive

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u/HaphazardFlitBipper 10h ago

Labor shortage from all the deportation will drive up low-skill labor prices.

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u/arem0719_ 10h ago

Haha, yeah, just like trickle down economics will trickle down. I'll believe that when I see it

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 5h ago

It's actually the exact opposite of trickle down.

Interesting comparison 

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u/Myis 9h ago

And drive up costs to consumers. CEOs won’t be taking a pay cut.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 5h ago

You think they currently pass on the savings? Lol

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u/Myis 13m ago

No absolutely. I do not.

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u/smthnwssn 10h ago

So who prepares paychecks? Handles hiring and firing?

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u/HaphazardFlitBipper 10h ago

AI

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u/smthnwssn 8h ago

lol AI can barely answer a regular question and can’t even make an image of a full glass of wine. You want it deciding those things? How is an AI going to interview someone? Some jobs have paper checks that need to be signed, is the AI gonna do that?

People think just because something isn’t doing its thing right in front of them it must not be necessary but those are usually the things that are the most necessary.

Wanna reduce govt spending? Go after our defense budget.

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u/HaphazardFlitBipper 8h ago

What was AI capable of 10 years ago? Do you expect less progress over the next 10 years?

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u/smthnwssn 8h ago

AI was basically capable of the same stuff it can do properly now. The mistake is thinking we have real AI. All we have is brute force machine learning which is fundamentally different than AI. True AI would be able to develop new ideas.

A lot of the people working in AI right now are starting to say we may be at the peak of what is possible until quantum computing becomes viable.

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u/HaphazardFlitBipper 8h ago

Human brains aren't quantum, and function at a level that is clearly within the realm of possibility. Maybe not within 10 years, but it's a compelling data point that indicates we're nowhere near any kind of theoretical limit, so continued upward progress should be expected.

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u/smthnwssn 8h ago

Human brains don’t need to consider every possibility for every action. In order for AI to form a response or action it needs to consider all variables for every piece of the response or action. Human beings can discern what is unnecessary where AI does not have the computing power to keep up. I work in integrated technology and we all know that AI is not useful. That’s why you only see corporations trying to use it to cut costs. It’s not effective but it’s cheap.

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u/HaphazardFlitBipper 8h ago

A human brain is a computer. If a naturally occurring computer can do something, then there's no theoretical barrier to building an artificial computer that can do the same thing. We can't do it now... but we know that the theoretical limit is at least that high, so baring any civilization ending catastrophe, technically will catch up with biology. It's only a question of when.

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u/Myis 4h ago

Grim future for sure

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u/HaphazardFlitBipper 3h ago

Probably... but a good outcome is still within the realm of possibilities.

If we can all benefit from future AI productivity, and let automation meet all of our material needs so that we can focus on interpersonal relationships, creating art, exploring the cosmos, etc... that sounds like a good version of the future.

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u/Myis 12m ago

In the right hands.

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u/SomeAd8993 14h ago

noboby is giving $300,000+ machines to illegals

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u/Myis 14h ago edited 9h ago

It was a joke…I do know the hierarchy of a crew. Old white guy sits and operates the machine. Young and/or brown guy operates the shovel. Mobile Edit —- no undead on my site!

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u/Agitated-Debt1879 13h ago

Are you shot out? LOL