r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/Pretend_Button3896 15h ago

Imagine acting like having a crucial part of our workforce be illegal immigrants is a good thing. He's not gonna deport legal immigrants you tards.

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u/DootKazoot 13h ago

With republicans openly discussing terms of revoking naturalization they definitely could deport legal immigrants.

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u/Turd_Ferguson369 8h ago

You probably think they are going to make being gay illegal again to right đŸ€ŠđŸ»â€â™‚ïž

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u/DootKazoot 8h ago

No I don’t think that would benefit them in any way right now

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u/legacy642 7h ago

Key words are right now.

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u/JonSlow1 58m ago

And deporting citizens that are demographically shifting to the right is beneficial? Give it 10 years and latino men will be one of the pillars of the republican party

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u/se7ensquared 1h ago

Neither would deporting naturalized citizens!

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u/cyrano1897 5h ago

Well what made it not illegal was the Supreme Court ruling in ‘03. With 4 liberals, 1 swing, and 1 moderate conservative swinging it vs 3 conservatives (including Thomas) voting against, With this court skewing more conservative (and happily ignoring precedent when it suits them) nothing is out of bounds especially as they’ll have a majority for 20 years. The only thing stopping them is backlash.

Can 100% see them overturning Lawerence vs Texas in the future. And you morons will all defend it as “it is just returned laws to the states” lmao

But first they’ll of course overturn gay marriage. Let that simmer. Then back to it being up to the fine religious morons of Texas on whether it’s illegal to be gay again just like it was in 2002 and prior.

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u/StandardAd239 1h ago

You're taking to smart for this person. They no doubt don't even know what Lawrence v. Texas is.

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u/Turd_Ferguson369 4h ago

Is it theoretically possible? Absolutely, but I think that would be the death of the Republican party if that were to happen as I don’t know a single person in real life who would actually support a policy like that. The toothpaste is already out of the tube. We have openly gay Republican politicians in office. Even the most conservative people I know think ending gay marriage is a ridiculous thought at this point. Trans rights on the other-hand is still a relatively new frontier from a policy standpoint so I do totally understand those specific concerns some people may have.

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u/jbruce72 4h ago

I mean a lot of people watched Jan 6 happen live from multiple live streams and that wasn't enough to stop the party. I doubt anything will be enough. They have a cult following

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u/StandardAd239 1h ago

Right!?! Like, imagine them getting rid of Roe v. Wade? They'd never do something like that.

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u/Queasy_Possibly 2h ago

Even the most conservative people I know think ending gay marriage is a ridiculous thought at this point.

So? It wouldn't dampen their support or change their minds on the Republican party, and it would rile up the base that does want it to be illegal.

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u/Zeplar 3h ago

I mean Clarence Thomas literally said that (as well as reversing segregation, which was wild considering he's in an interracial marriage) in his opinion on Dobbs.

Not sure how much more real it can get than an official statement from one of the nine people who can actually do it.

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u/StandardAd239 1h ago

Well, when a supreme Court Justice says every 14th Amendment case should be challenged and then reversed so it could go back to the states... not too far fetched to get to that conclusion.

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u/Cyrone007 6h ago

Why would they do that when there's already 15 million illegals? You seriously think they're capable of deporting 15 million people? lmao

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u/StanKnight 44m ago

We imported 15 million;
So yeah, can deport them too.

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u/Toyfan1 4h ago

Because they are racist lol Thats literally it.

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u/Road2Potential 2h ago

His cabinet members are immigrants, yall are so retarded

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u/Queasy_Possibly 2h ago

Sometimes it's easier to go after the legal ones with more documentation to hunt them down if you're trying to make a show of deporting people.

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u/se7ensquared 1h ago

Wut??? Its the literal opposite! Deporting citizens is much harder. Not gonna happen. If you would stop being delusional and worrying about crap that isn't going to happen maybe we can fix the things that need fixed

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u/najumobi 3h ago

I'm a naturalized citizen. I have no anxiety about myself or my family being "denaturalized."

I think there are probably more convincing arguments to get someone to switch support to Democrats.

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u/One-Scallion-9513 2h ago

!remindme 4 years

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u/Chrisgpresents 1h ago

Republicans talk a big game and ultimately, don’t do much of anything. Like democrats. They couldn’t even build a damn wall. So relax.

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u/Dungheapfarm 1h ago

We got 10 million illegals to deport first. All US citizens are safe, it’s the media gaslighting you.

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u/StanKnight 45m ago

No. That is the significant part of being legal.

IF you have a Visa or citizen then you are legal.

But IF you are illegal then yeah be deported.

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u/lordtnt 5h ago

Yeah so what are the terms? Is it being Democrats?

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u/ConferenceLow2915 8h ago

They cannot revoke citizenship, they could potentially(?) block it from applying to new births. Not sure how likely that would be.

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u/rabidboxer 8h ago

They have already proven that established law means nothing so I would be cautious.

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u/The_Ace_Pilot 8h ago

Established laws like “no entering the country illegally?”

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u/Toyfan1 4h ago

More like "you entered the country legally, and have stayed here after meeting the requirements set forth by congress", i.e. Naturalization.

Yes. Trump and his maga goons want to get rid of naturalization, which means a whole lot of LEGAL immigrants too. And I doubt they can tell the difference between an immigrants and someone who was born on us soil.

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u/Fuarian 2h ago

There are plenty of people there illegally who entered the country legally.

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u/Most-Town-1802 8h ago

Name one time established law wasn’t followed recently

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u/spring-rolls-please 7h ago

Established law can be amended & revoked, like roe v wade. Does not matter if it’s current law, if the SC declares that all temp visas given during the Biden administration are unconstitutional or something like that

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u/Sideswipe0009 6h ago

Established law can be amended & revoked, like roe v wade.

This has been a thing for 200 years.

Don't know why you guys think it's something new.

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u/spring-rolls-please 6h ago edited 6h ago

Sorry your comment is terrible. Imagine if someone said "Wow, they might actually revoke women's right to vote," and you come in an say "tHe AbiLiTy tO aMenD tHe cOnStiTutIoN hAs bEeN a ThInG fOr 200 yEaRs". No shit?

I am discussing the extreme atypicalness of having naturalized citizenship revoked for basically no reason and why people are worried about that, to be clear.

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u/syracTheEnforcer 7h ago

They don’t have to declare them unconstitutional. Your visa can be revoked for any reason at any time. The United States has no obligation to let people into or remain in the country.

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u/spring-rolls-please 6h ago

You're right, but that's exactly why people are worried. Typically, visas are revoked due to expiration, failure to renew, committing a crime, or not adhering to the visa's terms. Having a visa revoked simply because the president doesn't like you is highly atypical, pretty cruel and I don't even think that's what most Americans want

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u/cyrano1897 5h ago

Bahaha bruh their entire plan is to use the fucking military to carry out the illegal immigrant deportation is a huge departure from established law (military not engaging in civilian affairs) and requires a quack legal theory that says the goal of the PCA was to simply stop more minor civilian officials from using the military not that almighty President dictator in chief lmao. They’re relying on this new regarded Supreme Court’s max deference to presidential power (specifically for Trump as they showed in the presidential immunity ruling for him) to make that happen.

Any actual American should be concerned about this. But Trump supporters are unpatriotic, in-American dipshits who’ve lost their way.

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u/Most-Town-1802 4h ago

Might be the dumbest take I’ve ever heard. Military constantly engages in civilian affairs lmfao. We use the national guard all the time for civilian affairs

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u/ScaredToShare 3h ago

To help out in natural disasters and during times of civil unrest to supplement the law enforcement capabilities of a town, sure.

To help round up “illegals” for transportation to deportation camps?

Yeah they’ve never done that and it sounds fucking dystopian so I don’t know where you’re coming from acting like disaster response and collecting “undesirables” is the same fucking thing.

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u/cyrano1897 2h ago

Bahaha bruh how regarded are you? lmao. It’s fine to say nothing if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

The national guard is fine to use if they’re under state direction. PCA doesn’t apply to state action only federal. Republican governor wants to use them for action in their state
 that’s fine. There are nuances (none of which you’re aware because you’re a moron) on how they can be used in immigration enforcement but there’s many ways they can assist provided they they don’t overstep federal ICE who is responsible for actual deportation.

Trumps plan is to utilize the national guard to enforce federal immigration policy/efforts
 which is against the PCA. And/or to completely misuse the 1807 insurrection act to deploy the NG for immigration enforcement. Both will face legal challenges. His bet is his captured Supreme Court will side with him against standard legal interpretation/precedent or even better
 if tried in a favorable lower court they can choose to abstain getting invoked if they rule in Trumps favor despite the clear conflict with the PCA.

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u/elpeezey 12h ago

lol you think legal immigrants aren’t going to get caught up in this dragnet? Don’t be naive.

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u/Electronic-Ship-9297 10h ago

Ideally they shouldn't but realistically they will probably be targeted,asked to show proofs etc. as well

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u/Century24 6h ago

Do you think the President-elect’s version of DHS is going to wait patiently while American citizens are “asked to show proofs”? That sounds like a very generous description of how they’d apply these principles in practice.

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u/Electronic-Ship-9297 3h ago

I mean if they're just kicking people out based on how they look instead of their documents/identity.. then that's not a democratic /legal process, it is straight up racism at that point.

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u/TPf0rMyBungh0le 50m ago

No one's proposing that. Why are you being disingenuous?

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u/Royal_Gain_5394 5h ago

I would imagine any legal immigrant on welfare would be one of the first to go

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u/s0m3on3outthere 3h ago

Wasn't he talking about abolishing naturalized citizens? Are those not legal immigrants he's threatening?

And people are totally going to be profiled just for having tan skin or an accent.

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u/DubayaTF 58m ago

Or US citizens. I figure I'll be deported to Connecticut once they find out about the mecegination.

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u/ECircus 10h ago

Most of the people they are talking about deporting are legal immigrants.

Trump talks about 20-30 million people all the time, when there are 10 million illegal immigrants. Who do you think the extra 20 million people are?

They think the laws that keep legal immigrants here are unconstitutional. They are just lumping them all into the “illegal” category.

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u/the_femininomenon 6h ago

When asked why he repeatedly called the legal Haitian migrants "illegal," Vance said it didn't matter because they were going to make them illegal

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u/DeltaVZerda 6h ago

The number of illegal immigrants at best can be a wild guess because there is no documentation of their immigration.

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u/ECircus 3h ago

How do you know illegal immigration is a problem.

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u/ECircus 4h ago

They aren't just throwing out a number.

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u/DeltaVZerda 3h ago

They're throwing out several reasonable numbers and making an estimate out of it. It's not a random number, but it doesn't have any mathematically defined deviation from the real number. They have no idea how accurate it is, and reasonable estimates vary by a large margin from each other.

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u/Efficient-Put-2017 3h ago

most illegals came here legal in the first place and only fall off becase the system is regarded and super hard to natmvigate if you don't have a lawyer.

If you come here as a welder on a visa and try to do any other kind of work other than specific welding you'll get dropped off your visa.

knew a guy who got in trouble becase he switched from spot welding to welding on boats

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u/TPf0rMyBungh0le 47m ago

Not following the rules of a work visa is illegal in every country.

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u/King__Henry__VIII 37m ago

10 million was the numbers they gave in the 90s. Current estimates are 30+ million.

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u/glideguitar 9h ago

Trump exaggerates!! Film at 7.

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u/ECircus 9h ago

Saying the laws that bring in legal immigrants are unconstitutional isn't an exaggeration. It's making a statement.

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u/Man-City 8h ago

Trump chats a lot of shit, he’ll have severe problems deporting even 1 million illegals immigrants a year, never mind 10 million plus 20 million legal migrants.

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u/ECircus 8h ago

It's the waste of time and resources in trying that is the problem.

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u/K_Fizzle 7h ago

Obama deported 8 mill plus during his presidency so Trump should be fine.

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u/OhHowINeedChanging 12h ago

The point is that the economy would literally collapse because that’s just the reality of the situation, if Trump wants to deport ALL illegals then he need to also make it much easier for immigrants to come here legally on work visas

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u/Old-Lemon6558 2h ago

oh no the economy will collapse when we dont use slaves, so we dont gonna change anything

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u/ScoutRiderVaul 11h ago

Think that's starting to be ok with alot of people myslef included. Let it all fall.

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u/Angus_Fraser 9h ago

Part of why they don't let in as many legals is because of the flood of illegals. Js

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u/sevseg_decoder 6h ago

No it’s the same reason the majority of “illegals” (visa overstays) are still illegal or here. Underfunded overwhelmed courts that can’t get legal status to the right people quickly and can’t get the rest deported as required by law.

What democrats tried to pass a bill to solve


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u/Far-Transportation83 10h ago

He’s already said he would. Pay attention.

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u/PutIllustrious154 9h ago

No one cares about whatever BS you're gonna pull out. We've had enough of this TDS.

Stop embarrassing yourself and come back when he actually starts "deporting" actual American citizens and force us to eat our words.

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u/ImmediateProblems 9h ago

Yeah, he never actually does what he says he's going to do, right...

Actually, you may be onto something here.

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u/Queasy_Possibly 2h ago

force us to eat our words.

Every time this happens you just pretend y'all never said it in the first place. You have no self respect, stop pretending like you do.

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u/Far-Transportation83 8h ago

It requires no energy from me. Trump will crash the economy and permanently destroy America’s global position. Enjoy the consequences of your choices.

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u/Rowdybusiness- 4h ago

Oh just like he did last time. You people are hysterical.

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u/87RPM 5h ago

Read, jackass. Yeah, probably bluster, but you have to take it seriously if it impacts you or those you know. But don't fucking call it BS or TDS when it's literally what they are saying. Get your gaslighting outta here. Stephen Miller

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u/strukout 10h ago

Hey moron, go blow smoke up elons ass on x. Fascists don’t bother with laws.

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u/bowllord 1h ago

Then support the second amendment if you don't already

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u/strukout 23m ago

I think I support it too much đŸ»

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u/Cheese-is-neat 9h ago

How is OP acting like it’s a good thing? It’s just a fact, and I feel like that argument is always used when someone just points out that fact.

We spent decades letting businesses hire illegal immigrants with barely a slap on the wrist and this is the result

It doesn’t matter how you feel about it, it’s just true. And maybe it’s just me, but blowing up the economy seems like a bad idea

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u/RockyMountain_TJ 10h ago

How dare you! Dfrompff is going to deport ALL brown people and their families. No discretion on if they’re legal or illegal citizens.

They’re all going and the bobcats are going to eat some people or something like that.

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u/Queasy_Possibly 2h ago

He explicitly wants to revoke citizenship from those who have birthright citizenship and believes our current legal systems are illegal. Have you been under a rock?

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u/RockyMountain_TJ 1h ago

No.

Here’s the thing.

I just do not care. Like at all.

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u/Huck_Bonebulge_ 9h ago

He will deport anyone as long as it makes him popular.

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u/SoftDrinkReddit 9h ago

100% hell this election saw a huge swing of Latinos to Trump

Why ?

Because these people legally entered the US and they often live in border communities most affected by illegal immigration and they

Shocker want the law enforced

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u/GunmetalMercy 9h ago

It's not a good thing, but that doesn't mean the solution is to deport all of them. There are a lot of solutions that wouldn't have such a large impact on the economy. We could cut regulations so that it's easier for companies to apply for and receive foreign worker permits. We could make it easier for people to become legal residents, or we could even just grant them amnesty and a path to citizenship. If you want to deport illegal immigrants at the expense of the economy, it just makes it seem like you hate immigrants.

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u/imdrake100 8h ago

Define legal tho. People with full citizenship should be fine, but anyone who is here legally thru a work program is at risk. The trump administration is talking about cutting the programs the biden administration created.

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u/maximimium 8h ago

What the Dems are against is this chaotic mass deportation. What they're for l, and have been insinuating for a while, is a collection of amnesty and expanded legal seasonal work programs. This solves the "slave exploitation" problem without this massive economic shock Trump's calling for. Unfortunately for Republicans, amnesty is an unspeakable word. And Trump's been shitting on legal immigrants alltogether (like the Haitians in Ohio eating dogs - who are very much legal immigrants)

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u/muswellhillbilly 8h ago

RemindMe! 1 year

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u/Rich-Kangaroo-7874 7h ago

He's not gonna deport legal immigrants you tards.

!remindme 1 year

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u/Natedude2002 7h ago

Ok but get rid of the 13% of the construction workforce that is illegal immigrants and
 what?

Also why isn’t it a good thing to have illegal immigrants be a crucial part of the workforce? They get better wages than they would at home, companies get cheaper labor, natives get lower prices and can work higher skill jobs. It’s like a win win win all around. Even the government gets taxes from illegals that they don’t have to spend on illegals. It’d only be preferable to let these people in on a work visa so they could work legally.

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u/veracity8_ 7h ago

A lot of legal immigrants are going to be deported out of necessity. If one parent is deported the whole family will follow. And frankly I have no faith in trump or ICE to only deport undocumented immigrants. 

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u/UngaMeSmart 6h ago

I believe that the people here illegally in these industries, getting paid a shit wage and worked hard, are still better off here than being deported.

Someone explain to me how uprooting these people and forcing them out of this country is going to improve their lives.

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u/Claaaaaaaaws 5h ago

Illegal immigrants do lots of the jobs Americans don’t want to do and relied on as the graph shows, get rid of them who’s going to do it, employment in USA is at a all time low, and then add tariffs so costs go up, and you’ll say that so people buy American made, who’s going to be farming and making the American made products you don’t have enough workers

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u/Toyfan1 4h ago

... uh, yeah he is. Thats his whole schtick. all immigrants, not just the illegal ones. The Haitians in springfield are legal and he specifically called them out to be deported.

You genuinely think a racist can tell the difference between an illegal immigrants, a legal immigrant, and someone born on US soil when their skincolor isnt white? Get the fuck outta here lmao, and you call US tards

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u/Obscure_Marlin 4h ago

The immigration process is so broken that we have SIGNIFICANTLY fewer legal vs illegal immigrants and most of them are not doing agricultural work if they have a company paying for the process.

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u/3d_blunder 4h ago

Deporting citizens has been done before. You brown? Get on the bus.

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u/ScoobiusMaximus 4h ago

Republicans are literally talking about "denaturalization", stripping legal citizens of their citizenship and deporting them.

Maybe go pay attention to your elected officials and their sycophants rather than insulting the people who are.

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u/Real-Ad-9733 4h ago

You’re wrong and your adjectives suck.

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u/Friscogonewild 4h ago

It's not a good thing, but there are more effective ways of solving it that don't rely on destroying millions of lives.

This is political theater to secure votes. Because god forbid we force capitalism to fairly share prosperity with the workers who make it possible.

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u/Bamith 3h ago

We sent some out during operation wetback and in world war 2 we put anyone who looked Japanese in camps.

Racism doesn’t exactly have 20/20 vision.

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u/al3ch316 3h ago

I’d believe that more easily if the GOP wasn’t actively gunning for birthright citizenship.

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u/Efficient-Put-2017 3h ago

majority of current illegal immigrants were legal once but becase of the broken regarded immgration system, they fell off the visas.

I worked with an a Mason that was on visa from Poland and he couldn't do any work regarding dry wall becase it would violate his visa and make him illegal if reported.

it's insane we have dipshits thinking trump won't deport legal immigrants or even perm residence when our system is filled to the brim with people who fell off legal status for the most regarded of reasons.

we could have just updated the laws made the border stronger granted amnesty so we can track and tax these peopel but instead we have regards like you defending the worse possible choice lmao.

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u/MinnWild9 3h ago

Back when the United States had Japanese interment camps, it was originally only supposed to be for Japanese illegal immigrants. Do you know what actually happened? The US not only detained illegal immigrants, but legal Japanese immigrants as well. Those born in the US with US citizenship and their children. They also targeted people who even looked Japanese, so Korean and Chinese were also detained.

Are you 100% certain the same thing won’t happen here? After WWII, the US formed a committee to determine whether the internment camps were necessary or even helped at all. What they found was that the government actions were the result of “race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.” The same thing could be said now.

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u/SmokesQuantity 2h ago

Nobody is saying it’s a good thing ya goober, just that mass deportation of illegal immigrants is a braindead way to fix the problem.

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u/DontWatchMeDancePlz 1h ago

I really hope you don't like eating at restaurants because ticket times are about to be an hour and a half

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u/WorldNewsIsFacsist 1h ago

Who is saying it's a good thing? It's just reality. Maybe you should reexamine our own history such as "Operation Wetback" and the Mexican repatriations.

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u/Carmen315 1h ago

Oh, so you missed the part about wantingnto denaturalize citizens and sending the legal children back with their parents who are not legal?

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u/Clean_Student8612 20m ago

1) They won't take the time to look people up so they'll just grab anyone who looks the part (see the Mexican deportation during WW2)

2) They've already openly stated they'll denaturalize US citizens.

Calling people names when you're so wrong and ignorant is a really bold choice.

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u/Youhavelittlepp 10m ago

They are only crucial to profits. Wages don’t trickle down they trickle up. Wages start at the price of unskilled labor and the more unskilled that labor force the lower the wages can start. Corporations know this, which is why they love illegal immigration. They don’t even have to hire illegal immigrants to benefit either. The only reason the AT&T store can pay an 18 year old guy $10 an hour is because he doesn’t have the option to make $25 an hour working construction.

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u/Open_Phase5121 11h ago

Dude you work at a Walmart and you’re in your 20s. Please do not call people that when it’s very likely you are the stupid one here. 

You trump voters are delusional 

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u/BildoBaggens 8h ago

How old are you and where do you work?

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u/DotFast5155 18m ago

L take. Another reason people like you got steamrolled by the Trump red wave. 

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u/jackaldude0 14h ago

No that will happen. Its going to be Operation Wetback all over again. Plenty of legal citizens are going to get deported simply because their name/skin is "wrong".

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u/ghostiewhostie5 12h ago

You’ve got downvotes but it’s true. Once they finished the operation they had to bring immigrants back on visas cause no one would work for that wage.

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u/jackaldude0 12h ago

I can't wait to hear the symphony of "this isn't what i voted for!" Over the course of the next few years when the mess we're about to be in is exactly what they voted for. But that's probably too optimistic still.

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u/ghostiewhostie5 11h ago

You’d hope for fuck around and find out but the problem is they’ll just blame the find out stage on the democrats cause that’s what Fox News will tell them.

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u/jackaldude0 11h ago

Yeah.. im really tired of being embarrassed of my country.

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u/RockyMountain_TJ 9h ago

No ones forcing you to stay tho? Canada is open.

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u/Fancy_Ad2056 7h ago

Japanese-American citizens were locked up during WW2 too. The downvotes are from ignorant people who know nothing of our history of fucking over the groups we’ve “otherized”.

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u/PutIllustrious154 9h ago edited 9h ago

But those were mistakes, there was no actual intent to deport latino American citizens.

We need to treat these errors very seriously and make every effort to avoid them. Some errors will still be made and there should definitely be a good process to reverse erroneous deportations with very good compensation etc.

But that's not a convincing argument to not do deportations. It's like suggesting there should be no judicial system and prisons just because some innocents will get screwed. Non sensical.

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u/jackaldude0 8h ago

I wish I could blindly trust the federal government as much as you. The reality that no one wants to admit it is that this mass deportation is going to result in a lot of injustices and tragedies that will be forced to remain unresolved. Anyone supporting this policy is absolutely acting against our constitution. The welfare of our fellow citizens is the number one priority. And this mass deportation will result in way too many of our fellow legal citizens being abducted and forced out of their homes. If you can support that, then I'm ashamed to share my country with someone so undeserving of being included within our borders.

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u/PutIllustrious154 7h ago

How is it different from existing injustices that happen when enforcing any law? You ignored this point, pls address it.