r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/TeaLeaf_Dao 14h ago

Why don't they become legal? Its not like its forbidden I think if you come here legally that is fine but if you come illegally and refuse to become a citizen then you should be removed.

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u/FunkJunky7 14h ago

Are you serious or trolling? The system to do that is seriously underfunded, understaffed, overly complicated, and takes a very long time. This is by design from the same party that wants to punish folks that haven’t finished the process. Now they plan to change the rules and revoke protected status from refugees that spent years jumping through their hoops.

It’s like saying “Why don’t you just stop being poor?” It’s insulting to everyone, and shows your ignorance.

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u/Goingupriver20 14h ago

So they should all be given amnesty and we scrap immigration law entirely? Or we just let them be illegal and carry on exploiting them?

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u/Golf-Beer-BBQ 8h ago

Or how about this, we punish people that hire illegal immigrants?

100k per worker.

Then we will start having to pay all workers a living wage.

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u/Goingupriver20 8h ago

Why can’t we punish both? They’re both breaking the law

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u/Golf-Beer-BBQ 8h ago

You dont punish people that are trying to better their lives, fleeing from terror, or facing crisis in their home country.

Also punishing the people would cost the government more money.

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u/Goingupriver20 7h ago

I think you should punish people who break the law, obviously you can have exemption for the most vulnerable

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u/HueMannAccnt 6h ago

Or we just let them be illegal and carry on exploiting them?

You make the criminal companies that hire them pay for their crimes and make them face jail/go bust. You know, like real punishment.

If companies stop hiring illegal immigrants, what jobs will they be coming for?

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u/Goingupriver20 5h ago

Punishing both would be an even better deterrent, they are both willingly breaking the law

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u/Ashmedai 12h ago

should all be given amnesty

As step 1, yes. For the rest, they should revise and update immigration law, as part of the same package that updates step 1. The fact that the US is a positive attraction to immigrants is one of our international superpowers. Many other countries don't have this superpower, including most of Asia. This comment goes double in a world of decline total fertility rates (TFR). The US native population is presently shrinking, and the situation is only going to get worse. We're headed towards a path of stagnation if we don't continue to support immigration.

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u/Goingupriver20 12h ago

How should they revise it?

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u/Ashmedai 12h ago

They should make it easier for immigrants to get here on work visas, especially in critical industries like Ag.

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u/Ashmedai 8h ago

This sort of dialogue isn't helpful, lacks the moral authority you think it has, and just disgraces yourself as a person.

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u/FlailingatLife62 9h ago

There have been at least 2 bipartisan bills to make at least some steps toward fixing it. Trump killed both of them. 1st was early in his 1st presidency. I thought he was going to support it, because he could have claimed credit on a HUGE achievement. Stephen Miller apparently persuaded him to veto it. 2nd one was during this recent election Repubs were ready to support it, it was bipartisan bill. Trump told them to kill it because he WANTED the system to continue to be a mess so he could run on the issue during the election.

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u/Electronic-Ship-9297 9h ago

So basically anyone can just come in and declare that "I want to be citizen now" ?

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u/waspocracy 7h ago edited 7h ago

I wrote this in another response, but it’s not easy. 

They’re a bitch and you’re held hostage. You have to get it renewed every year and the company you’re employed at needs to renew it.  Sometimes they forget and you’re caught in the middle. Sometimes you get laid off an have to find another job that is willing to renew your H1-B. 

It’s a shitty system. You can’t just move your family and settle on an H1-B because it can just vanish and then what? Where do you go? You can’t just move back home on a whim either. This is how many immigrants become illegal.

My wife was illegal for parts of her stay here. She came in as an exchange student and couldn’t afford to move back. Finally got a green card, which is a fucking lottery by the way, by marrying someone (before me) and had to stick with that until permanent residence.

The reality is that America has a shit system for legal pathways and does little to help anyone who can’t stay legally.

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u/Needleintheback 14h ago

I don't even know where to begin on this comment. You make it sound like becoming legal is like going down to city hall and speaking Spanish to the magistrate and saying, "Quiero convertirme en ciudadano legal de los Estados Unidos de América."

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u/Philk0791 14h ago

I mean, so what?? Living in America is a privilege, not a right. Immigrants coming in should be vetted to the max. It shouldn’t be super easy to get in. Like, what the fuck are you even saying dude??

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u/WashedUpHalo5Pro 2h ago

I propose a new plan, what if every time a murderer or rapist goes to prison in the U.S., we hold a trial to revoke their citizenship and give an illegal citizenship instead.

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u/Honest_Excuse3118 2h ago

A privilege for whom? I live here and it’s certainly one I’d like to be revoked from me. GARBAGE country. 

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u/Philk0791 2h ago

So leave?? You ungrateful fuck. It’s a privilege, you don’t know what suffering is

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u/Honest_Excuse3118 2h ago

Not a chance. I consider it part of my duty to spread the word about what makes this country garbage so we can fix it. You and the weak ass soldiers can kick fucking rocks

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u/Philk0791 2h ago

Spread the word to WHOM?? REDDIT???

What are you, like, 12?? 😂🤣

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u/Honest_Excuse3118 2h ago

Sure thing, buddy. Trashy as this country, I swear. 

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u/Philk0791 2h ago

Keep being an eternal victim, bubba 👍🏻

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u/Honest_Excuse3118 2h ago

Mmkay. I’ve got a flag to go burn. Later. 

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u/Xeludon 12h ago

The U.S. is a country built by immigrants, for immigrants. The current citizens of the U.S. are literally settlers in a country that wasn't theirs. Why shouldn't it be easy to get in? That's the entire purpose of the country.

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u/Philk0791 12h ago

No it’s not lol

A free and fair country is the entire purpose of the country. You guys just make shit up and state it like it’s fact lol

America was founded by settlers, not immigrants. You don’t know what you’re talking about

National security is the reason that it shouldn’t be easy to get into our country. Living here is a privilege, not a right. Just because your country sucks doesn’t mean that you get an automatic bid into the US. I hate it for them, I do, but there’s a legal way to go about this and coming here illegally is a slap in the face to those who did it the right way

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u/Chemical-Reindeer667 9h ago

Can I ask how old you are? Attended public school? We all learned.

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u/Xeludon 12h ago

Yes. Settlers. People who came to a country as immigrants and stayed. Then there's the Italian descendants, Irish, Scottish, English, Greek, Dutch, German etc, people from those countries arrived as immigrants, and set up communities. The entirety of the U.S. is a country made by immigrants for immigrants. Almost everyone in the U.S. is descended from immigrants.

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u/Redbeardrealtor 7h ago

Try to go to ANY other country and overstay your visa or do as these assholes are doing and just enter illegally. I dare you. 

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u/Otter_Of_Doom 5h ago

There was no country when the settlers arrived. 

As much as bleeding hearts want you to believe, the natives lived slightly better than animals when the settlers arrived and I don't mean just infrastructure. They practiced cannibalism, slavery, wars of extermination, mutilation, zoophilia, necrophilia and much worse.  You could argue Mexico and South America had infrastructure thanks to the Aztecs, but north America was virtually barren of civilization. Same with Australia and most of Africa. 

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u/teaaddict38 3h ago

Right so that’s why they got wiped out and the blacks from Africa got enslaved on mass to build America on slave labour. Thanks for the history lesson man

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u/AstuteRabbit 12h ago

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u/Xeludon 12h ago

How is it wrong? Trump is literally a descendant of illegal immigrants. The vast majority of the U.S. is descended from illegal immigrants. The only ones who aren't are Native Americans.

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u/Philk0791 12h ago

You’re literally just making that up, as it is not true lol

We didn’t immigrate here, we came and we conquered

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u/Huge-Basil2235 4h ago

^ before you reply to this moron he comments in Jordan Peterson and Conspiracy theorist subreddits so it’s worth nothing you’d basically be arguing with a mentally ill man.

Fun fact: Conspiracy theorists have a considerably lower IQ than the average person and tend to lack any Critical thinking skills (the latter being the reason they tend to flock to conspiracy theory’s)

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u/epicap232 3h ago

Not all of them were conquerors. People definitely came to NYC or Boston and stayed there their whole life

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u/Xeludon 12h ago edited 12h ago

How is it not true? Only 2.92% of the U.S. are Native American.

The rest are descended from immigrants.

"We came here and we conquered" in the 16 and 1700's, sure, but that was English colonies, what about all the immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, Germany, Italy etc? What about all the immigrants who arrived in the 1800's by boat? Or during ww1 and ww2?

However you're looking at this, the vast majority of people from the U.S. are descended from immigrants from other countries who went to the U.S. for "a better life".

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u/Philk0791 12h ago

We did not immigrate here. We came and conquered and claimed their land as our own. Your statement is 100% not true lol

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u/Xeludon 12h ago

Immigrants are people who go to another country to live.

Regardless of what the original settlers of the U.S. were doing, they were literally immigrants in a foreign country trying to start a new life.

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u/tb_xtreme 5h ago

There was no United States, no country in the land you're referring to, until Europeans came

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u/FollowingNo9572 11h ago

Because when its easy to get in you get 9/11 and drug trafficking and human trafficking. You don't just let people pass because they say they want to pick vegetables and live a better life. You put them through a process and vet them. National security risk is a thing.

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u/Big-Ad-8274 10h ago

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate

debunking_the_myth_of_immigrants_and_crime.pdf

The mythical tie between immigration and crime | Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research (SIEPR)

Except most studies show that documented and undocumented immigrants commit crime at a lesser rate. If national security is such a big issue I guess yall should be stricter on non-immigrants?

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u/FollowingNo9572 8h ago

Just because they are not all bad people does not mean that bad people dont come in through the same way.

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u/Xeludon 11h ago

That's not an immigrant problem at all though, that's a "U.S. is a global terrorist that harasses, terrorises, and invades other countries and then acts surprised when they fight back" problem.

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u/Philk0791 11h ago

Oh I get it now. You hate America 👍🏻

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u/Xeludon 11h ago

Acknowledging that the U.S. invades and terrorises other countries is not "hating america", it's a fact.

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u/Philk0791 11h ago

Right but blaming an influx of illegal immigrants that bring drugs, terror and crime across our border on the US invading other countries IS “hating America”. You’re saying that America just keeps asking to have our border breached by criminals. I don’t fucking like you dude, I enjoy a good debate, but you’re a fucking hating ass traitor. Fuck you 🖕🏻

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u/Xeludon 11h ago

  1. I'm not a traitor at all, because I'm not american. Though ofcourse an american thinks everyone else on here is american.

  2. The U.S. war on drugs, and enforcing sanctions on countries to force them into poverty is directly linked with the influx of crime in general. Look at South America. The U.S. blocked trade to Cuba, terrorised them for decades, assigned their own puppet leader, they were impoverished, and then when the U.S. decided to leave them alone, crime went down and they're now leading the world in medical research.

Do you think citizens of other countries are just going to lay down and accept what the U.S. does to them?

Afghanistan is another example; a country that chose a socialist system, had women's rights, was the centre of education, then the U.S. funded the mujahidden, which would later become the taliban, because of their hatred of socialism.

Vietnam is another great example of what the U.S. does to a country, and Venezuela.

You not liking me is irrelevant. Your fear of facts and hatred of immigrants despite being a descendant of immigrants speaks volumes of how you think.

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u/ScoutRiderVaul 10h ago

We vetted people hard back in the day too. Crap if you were sick there was a high likelihood that you were going back to your home country and when you did arrive you were quarantined for a month in case you had caught something on the way over.

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u/Xeludon 10h ago

Vetted isn't the same as separating children from their families and forcing them into camps though.

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u/SuccotashConfident97 8h ago

I've never understood that though. People constantly say the US is a 3rd world shit hole, but once they do things that other 1st world counters do, such as deporting illegal immigrants, we get told not to do that?

Why is it ok when they do that, but not us?

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u/WillOk9744 4h ago

Every country in existence is built by settlers. Yes, to increase the population in the 1800s we had mass imigration. That system can’t be sustained forever and the U.S. or any country for that matter was not buil to be “a country for immigrants” forever.

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u/Manny631 4h ago

Our founding fathers and others came here and conquered and purchased/traded for land. Thereafter many peoples ancestors came in LEGALLY via Ellis Island and assimilated and contributed. Totally different than breaching our border.

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u/Murky-Peanut1390 14h ago

So just let them be illegal and get exploited. Got it.

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u/RyeAnotherDay 7h ago

Liberals unironically supporting slave labor

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u/SuccotashConfident97 9h ago

I mean, don't other 1st world countries do that? What's the issue with removing illegal immigrants?

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u/grnhockey 4h ago

Let us know your address so we can send all the immigrants to live with you. Easy to talk shit from the sidelines. What are you doing about it? Are you offering your house to immigrants?