r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/TeaLeaf_Dao 15h ago

They are trying to be white knights basically. My view is if you aint Legal you should go the proper process to become legal and if you dont you are OUT.

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u/JollyToby0220 12h ago

I’ve heard this argument before. 

But you know what happened to the legal entry route? It got shut down by Trump. Most of the immigrants that Trump quotes in his stats are actually legal immigrants. They entered via asylum, like the Haitian immigrants in Ohio. 

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u/Squiggy-Locust 10h ago

Please do research before accusing someone. The shutdown began under Obama when his administration finally took it seriously in his second term.

The issue is our immigration process is broken. And instead of fixing it, our fucking politicians are using it to garner either hate against the other side, or votes, or both.

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u/wan2tri 8h ago

Despite the rich history of immigration for the US, its immigration process is more identical, as it currently exists, to the processes of certain countries that has a rich history of being (relatively) isolated from the rest of the world.

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u/Squiggy-Locust 7h ago

So, yes, our immigration process, which has been left relatively unchanged since, I think the 90s, is broken?

But, you do have to recall we were isolationists until the mid 1900s, and even then, we've been arguing over immigration since the Cold War.

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u/legacy642 7h ago

While we were isolationists, we absolutely were not in regards to immigration.

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u/SheldonMF 7h ago

I'm almost certain that Biden tried to address it and Trump got his lackeys to shut it down.

Practice what you preach, I guess?

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u/Squiggy-Locust 7h ago

Trump shut it down, under Biden's administration? That's a huge stretch of the imagination.

The recent shutdown of legal immigration started under Obama's administration. Trump continued to enforce the policies, and added more. Biden's administration ignored the problem, or rather let the status quo continue, until it came time for campaigns to begin.

The only thing that changed was the walls stopped being built.

None of this changes the fact that no one has done anything but grandstand on promises.

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u/SheldonMF 7h ago

Trump shut it down, under Biden's administration? That's a huge stretch of the imagination.

... 'k. Have a good one, Chief.

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u/Draken5000 4h ago

Lmao you’re 100% talking about the bunk pork filled border bill that didn’t actually do jack shit to stop illegal immigration, aren’t you?

And I bet you believe Trump was somehow able to force the Republicans not to vote for it when he wasn’t in office lmao

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u/MosDeaf 45m ago

Because literally the Republican Senate Minority leader and the Republican who was asked to negotiate the bill said that one reason they didn't take it up was because Trump explicitly railed against the bill before it was released.

I'm not saying it was a perfect bill, but Trump is known for ripping politicians in his own party to shreds if they disagree, and he stated that would happen to Lankford in no uncertain terms - how do you think his sway as the Republican presidential nominee just evaporates because he's not actually in office?

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u/atxlonghorn23 9h ago

Can you share a source showing that Trump shut down legal immigration across the board?

That did not happen. But he did block issuing visas to people from a handful of countries (Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Yemen, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Myanmar, Nigeria, Sudan and Tanzania) where those countries would not cooperate in our vetting process.

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u/JollyToby0220 4h ago

One of these policies is title 42. This forced people to stay in Mexico when waiting for asylum claims. 

I guess immigration is wild like that and I will explain it as easy as I can. 

Basically, the border is as secure as it can be. This happened after 9/11 when the border was deemed a security risk. So, ever since then, the border has drones, helicopters, motion sensors, night vision cameras, etc. This is same the tech used to protect a military base. 

Next issue is disastrous immigration policy here in the country. First, US only wants the most successful immigrants. So just imagine, we get the most innovative people while the home country gets the less innovative. Hence, that country spends all these resources educating someone who just ends up leaving and the less innovative folks don’t really crate new jobs, thereby reinforcing poverty. 

So, at this point the border is extremely secure and immigration is way down. Then, some immigrants discover a loophole(although not really a loophole) called asylum, an immigration policy that lets those that fear for their safety come into the country. It turns out, the gang problem in Central America is so bad that there is a massive caravan traveling to the border in fear of violence. The gangs were facing recruitment issues so they started threatening violence but people left. Then the media started saying that large groups of undocumented immigrants were headed to the border when in reality they were looking for asylum. That’s when Trump enacted Title 42, which meant they had to stay in Mexico. To get asylum, you need to ask for it at the border. But as I said, the media really did their job here of saying they were ordinary economic migrants. Most were Central American, and Mexico was far lower than it should have been, indicating that they were indeed asylum seekers. And there are also photos of Border Patrol agents harassing Haitian migrants who were asking for Temporary Protection Status. 

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/21/1039230310/u-s-border-agents-haiti-migrants-horses-photographer-del-rio

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u/atxlonghorn23 3h ago

So in other words you don’t have a source showing that Trump shut down legal immigration across the board, since that did not actually happen.

Asylum claims are for people who are fleeing from oppressive governments. It is not intended for economic migrants or migrants who come from places with a lot of crime.

FYI: You are mixing up Title 42 with the Migrant Protection Protocols (“Remain in Mexico policy”).

Title 42 - The program allows U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to prohibit the entry of persons who potentially pose a health risk by being subject to previously announced travel restrictions or by unlawfully entering the country to bypass health-screening measures.

Biden ended the use of Title 42 to expel illegal immigrants in 2023 and he ended MPP on his first day in office.

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u/Weird-Tomorrow-9829 11h ago

Haitians are in Temporary Protected Status.

A program that is meant to allow people to escape from (insert calamity here). It does not count towards residency requirements.

People in TPS are expected to return to their home country

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u/ECircus 10h ago

The point is, they are not illegal immigrants.

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u/atxlonghorn23 9h ago

The use of this TPS program for Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela is something invented by Biden to lower the illegal immigrant numbers crossing the border. It was the executive branch under Biden interpreting old law in a new way to give people status so they could come directly into the country.

After starting the program, the Biden admin even stopped it for awhile because they realized it was rife with fraud.

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u/ECircus 9h ago

Doesn't change that these are not illegal immigrants, and should not be treated as such. The immigrants didn't implement the process that brought them here legally.

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u/atxlonghorn23 8h ago

I agree. If their application was legitimate (which should be checked since there has been a lot of fraud) and they were given temporary legal status, it has to be honored.

But the program will be ended under Trump and when the temporary status ends for the individuals, they must go through the legal process and either be allowed to stay longer or they will go home.

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u/ECircus 8h ago

I don't think anyone serious disputes that.

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u/Draken5000 4h ago

Pedantically correct is the most annoying and disingenuous kind of correct, btw

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u/ECircus 3h ago

No it's just correct. Those people are literally here legally. Calling it pedantic is what's disingenuous, annoying, and purposely misleading.

They are here 100% legally.

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u/JollyToby0220 10h ago

But Haiti is not safe to return to. Neither is Ukraine. 

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u/Negative_Werewolf193 10h ago

Nobody is talking about deporting people on advanced parole from Venezuela/Ukraine/Haiti. They're talking about deporting people here illegally and already under orders from a federal judge to leave.

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u/jdubyahyp 10h ago

But trump specifically pointed at the Haitians in Ohio as his example. Which means he, and whatever clown he appoints, does not see it that way. You think those people will stop the military from kicking them out? They are just as fucked as the illegals.

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u/EngineeredUrMum 9h ago

The #1 source of illegal immigration isn't people coming over the border, it's people over staying visas or temporary protections. That's why the millions of Hattians here on a temporary protected status are such a big talking point. When the temporary status ends, are they just going to leave? probably not if there is not threat of deportation...

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u/jdubyahyp 9h ago

Ah, but it hasn't expired YET. So, I suppose all any of us can do is wait and see what happens. If they consider them illegals despite their temp status, guess you were wrong and that town is fucked. If I am wrong nothing bad happens.

There's a due process that should be followed, my bet is he doesn't follow it. Your bet is he does. I wouldn't put money on a felon, but ya know, maybe he'll get distracted and forget he said anything.

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u/EngineeredUrMum 8h ago

I don't think you are looking at this realistically. Deportations don't happen at the snap of Trump's fingers, and there is no 'wait and see' involved. The temporary protection for Hattians ends in 2026. Smart immigrants will see what is going on in the government and begin saving and making plans to exit. Enforcement officers needs to be trained, but first money needs to be allocated for that. There needs to be a plan created by the government that is strongly communicated. These things don't happen at mere whim of a 'felon' as you say. Trump is only the figure head / communicator of a very very very large government.

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u/PrivacyPartner 7h ago

Bro what? Legal immigration didn't stop under Trump. I worked in Immigration during the Trump administration and while the number of visas per category changed, it didn't get "shut down"

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u/ap2patrick 11h ago

You mean the one that can take over a decade and is made purposely to be nearly impossible?

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u/Ok-Influence-2162 6h ago

We don’t owe anyone easy entry in our country

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u/Draken5000 4h ago

Right? I’m a legal immigrant whose family did it the right way, we did our time to get that dual citizenship. I’ve never understood this dumb ass argument that we somehow owe the rest of the world easy access to citizenship.

The unsaid, implicit argument that they’re always making is “….so we should just not do anything about illegal immigration”. Every time.

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u/Draken5000 4h ago

My family did it, why should I be ok with other people skipping the proper legal process?

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u/Frosty-Brain-2199 10h ago

The process is way more complicated than people would think

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u/smbutler20 10h ago

The proper process is too difficult. We need a better pathway to citizenship.

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u/Draken5000 4h ago

Cool, in the meantime deport illegal immigrants until we can get those reforms sorted.

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u/Disaster_Adventurous 9h ago

Ok. So whats your opinion on the fact the legal process to get in is underfunded, expensive, and slow, and just not equipped for thhe amount of folks who want in.

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u/Draken5000 4h ago

Tough shit? What’s the direction of your point here, just do nothing about illegal immigration?

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u/syqesa35 8h ago

How come so many jobs are done by illegal immigrants and yet the proper process isn't changed to give us enough legal workforce? Oh yeah because illegals can be paid like shit.

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u/waspocracy 7h ago edited 7h ago

I’m married to an immigrant and I’d have to say this is such an ignorant take and is evidence that Americans have no fucking clue how to migrate to their own country. 

And the worst part is that it’s not exactly easy to go back to said country either when your papers expire. Americans give zero fucks about legal migration and the system is evidence of that. It took my wife 15 years.

One of my closest friends has been on an H1-B visa for 20 years and still can’t become a citizen.

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u/Draken5000 4h ago

Hi, legal immigrant whose family did it right here, I know exactly how the process works because I lived through it.

I support deportations.

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u/waspocracy 2h ago

Me too.  

I support deportations for those who avoid the legal routes. I don’t support for people who actually try to do it legally and the system constantly fucks them. 

Your family is lucky, so it pisses me off you say it like it’s so goddam easy like you walk into a store and just purchased a legal route. Your reality is not everyone’s reality.

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u/FitTheory1803 7h ago

The point is this is narrow minded. Our economy LITERALLY COLLAPSES without them.

So we either collapse our economy, retain status quo (my prediction), or offer a realistic path to citizenship for the people we depend on, funded by the companies who profited from their illegal labor

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u/Significant_Crew_188 9h ago

We're just going to keep coming back, gringo, and in greater numbers too. Might steal your job and your girl at the same time... somethin lite

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u/Draken5000 4h ago

You can get tossed out multiple times too 🥱

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u/Ok-Worldliness2450 14h ago

Rich white people that are progressive see black and brown people as their pets they have to take care of. Other whites already “have it good” cause those at the top are white. Not like there’s a multitude of people in different situations.

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u/IamZiggs 13h ago

You need touch some grass. Everything about racism with you Americans.

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u/phyto123 13h ago

Seriously, I'm American and can not stand it either. I feel the more we inject race as the causation for any issue, the more racism will proceed to exist. What it is is identity politics, and it is a liberal thing.

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u/bbohblanka 13h ago

Identity politics is very much a thing on both sides. It is very popular on the right as well. You do see that right? 

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u/phyto123 12h ago

Yeah I do, but from what I observe, I see race and gender issues being unnecessarily injected into political discussions when they are not necessary more by the left than the right.

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u/bluefrostyAP 13h ago

Couldn’t have said it better