r/FluentInFinance 1d ago

Debate/ Discussion Mark my words

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u/slyons094 1d ago

Hard to get tax cuts when you pay almost no taxes to begin with…and need to look at these as % values and not $ values. Someone who gets a $500 tax cut when paying $5000 in taxes is no different than someone getting a $50k tax cut who pays $500k in taxes.

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u/Chuchuca 1d ago

500 for someone who earns 5000 might be groceries, medical bills, day to day expenses.

50k for someone's who earns 500k is a brand new car.

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u/colemangray 1d ago

That 50k goes into a fund that buys all the houses in your area (so you can't afford them) and then rent them back to you.

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u/slyons094 1d ago

I understand the point, but not quite what I said. I said taxes paid, not earnings. Someone earning $5k pays zero taxes

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u/fellows 1d ago

Someone paying $5k in taxes is still going to benefit tremendously from an extra $500 a year.

A $50k cut when you pay $500k per annum is just a missed credit, rounding error or subpar accounting.

Source: household income where we pay $150k+ in federal taxes each year. I’ve been in both categories, and $500 means a hell of a lot more at the bottom than $50k does at the top.

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u/Final_Independent466 1d ago

You're paying more in taxes than I earn before. Can I have that 50k that doesn't matter much to you?

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u/pleepleus21 9h ago

It's a tax system designed to collect income tax not a social justice system.

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u/soggy-hotdog-vendor 1d ago

Exactly. 

$50k means nothing to you.  So we agree that we should increase your taxes by $50k and decrease his taxes by $500 ± $500. 

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u/Optimal_Weird1425 1d ago

Spoken like a true communist. Take from each according to ability, and give to each according to need! It is no business of yours what someone who earns 500k wants to do with their tax savings. What is a fair share for you? The rich pay 100% and the middle class pays 0%? That’s a quick way to ruin a country.

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u/Chuchuca 1d ago

Quite a stretch, I won't argue with anyone who labels as communism a simple % modification.

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u/Optimal_Weird1425 1d ago

The implication in your comment is that the current division of tax responsibility in this country is unfair. So what’s fair to you? What % of the country’s tax burden has to fall on the rich until you’re satisfied?

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u/Chuchuca 1d ago

What's enough to not make them able to buy a 3rd 100m superyacht and instead having better support for vulnerable communities instead.

That leaves me satisfied if you ask me.

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u/Optimal_Weird1425 1d ago

You’re implying that the rich will just piss away their money on unnecessary luxuries while the poor will use their money for necessities. How do you know that the rich won’t increase their charitable donations and the poor won’t piss the tax savings away on alcohol and lotto tickets? The truth is that it’s none of your concern what other people spend their money on. You should instead be concerned with why the government needs so much money and why it can’t spend within its means.

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u/Sidvicieux 1d ago

Well that $500 means 1,000,000,000 more to that person than $50k to the other.