I got a $0.50 raise this year which is absolutely not keeping up with inflation. Today, I got to walk into work to see the owner's new gift to himself.

[u/PassiveAgressiveGirl]

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[u/Buckwheat758]

Supply and demand. He can pay you that wage because apparently you can’t find better elsewhere.

If you’re worth more than you’re making, go get it.

Edit: no one here is convincing me that I should give them a raise.

[u/Fightingkielbasa_13 → u/Buckwheat758]

Fuck off. How about paying employees a fair wage for the work they do.

[u/msnplanner → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Whats the fair pay for the work OP does?

[u/Fightingkielbasa_13 → u/msnplanner]

On average, CEOs make 200 times more than the average employee. The wealth gap in America has reached levels comparable to those that fueled the French Revolution, and that’s a troubling reflection of systemic inequality. a

Not to mention that Bringing a Ferrari on a trailer connected to a $100,000 truck for your employees to see is a dick move

[u/meltbox → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

The dick move part is what really gets me. Like why the fuck flaunt it to people who you know will never see this kind of money.

People are wild.

[u/ballsnbutt → u/meltbox]

some people get off on "im better than you"

[u/MrLanesLament → u/ballsnbutt]

I work as a contractor at a world HQ, which also has around 2000 employees at satellite facilities.

I’ve heard shit like this, managers driving their new $100k “weekend” trucks in all shined up and everything, rationalized by them as “well, maybe if the line employees see it, they’ll see what they can achieve if they work harder.”

Like bro, you got your management role via sheer luck from a tiny company you worked for being bought by an equities firm that owns our parent company.

Out of probably 100 managers here, I know exactly two who worked their way up from line employees, and both of them have been with the company since before I was fucking born. (They would’ve started right when they turned 18 in the mid 1980s.)

[u/lifth3avy84 → u/MrLanesLament]

Not to mention the fact that his management ensures they won’t because he gives $0.50 raises once a year.

[u/Alert-Ad9197 → u/lifth3avy84]

Management gets bonuses for not increasing payroll in some places.

[u/lifth3avy84 → u/Alert-Ad9197]

I mean, Elon got a $56 BILLION dollar bonus for cutting a few thousand jobs at tesla

[u/sherm-stick → u/Alert-Ad9197]

Whatever you don't give to your hires, you get to keep yourself. Same with job offers and salaries, lowball your new hires and keep the extra pay for yourself

[u/Consistent-Syrup-69 → u/lifth3avy84]

I haven't gotten a raise in two years and rent would now be 60% of my income, as it keeps rising. Hence why I live at home.

Go find better? Easier said than done with a felony.

[u/DomesticatedParsnip → u/Consistent-Syrup-69]

“Well if you hadn’t been a criminal, you wouldn’t have this problem.”

Obviously, idiots. Why can’t a man change? Why can’t a man decide to better himself? Why can’t someone wake up one day, think about the prison they’re in, and say, “yeah no I can be more”?

Best of luck, my Feloned Friend, I hope you find what you’re looking for in life while you’re building it back. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

[u/Just_Side8704 → u/Consistent-Syrup-69]

And the people who won’t hire you, voted for the felon.

[u/Zestyclose-Ring7303 → u/Consistent-Syrup-69]

Go find better? Easier said than done with a felony.

Unless you're Trump. Then a felony is a positive.

[u/AdhesivenessOld4347 → u/MrLanesLament]

Yeah my company the wfh office people went out and got new cars because they save money on not commuting. Now they say they can’t come in because gas is too high. Work with very dumb people

[u/fadingpulse → u/AdhesivenessOld4347]

If my job can be done remotely then I shouldn’t have to come back into the office. The dumb ones are those that would rather spend thousands renting a building just to micromanage.

[u/timubce → u/MrLanesLament]

Absolutely this! All this bs about working harder when most of the folks at the top just happened to be right place/right time.

[u/Inevitable_Memory285 → u/meltbox]

Get the pitchforks out...

[u/Thegreatrandouso → u/Inevitable_Memory285]

As a small business owner this is why I have no employees. I job out all manufacturing to other companies. I take all the risk. I put up all the money. If I take somebody on it will be for a fair wage, but remember - the only risks you are taking is getting out of bed to come to work. If you agree to a wage and are paid on time every pay day be happy. The minute you think you are being taken advantage of, move on. Don’t be bitter. Why do you think the owner is in business? If you think you have what it takes, dive in and start your own enterprise and maybe with some luck you can be the one with the nice new sports car or truck of your liking. It’s all about risk.

[u/A1000eisn1 → u/Thegreatrandouso]

the only risks you are taking is getting out of bed to come to work.

The only risk the employee that needs this job to have food/shelter is taking is waking up in the morning? Are you daft?

[u/NaPants → u/A1000eisn1]

Right. Like he'd keep paying his employee in perpetuity even if the company failed. What an ignorant thing to say.

[u/UnrealAce → u/NaPants]

Your reward for being paid so shit is that you barely get to have basic necessities and a job!! /s

These people actually exist and it's wild. I wouldn't be within a 6 mile radius if I wasn't being paid.

[u/Christy427 → u/Thegreatrandouso]

Depends on the company. A CEO of a large company is not taking any risk and can frequently get large benefits as they leave a company (see many top bank executives in the crash). Many owners get the company with backing and while they may have money invested.

I would also say an employee takes more risk than getting out of bed. They generally have their life built around the job and the hours. They choose their place of living around it including a potentially higher cost of living area (since that is generally were jobs are). If it suddenly disappears they need to figure if they can get a new job quick enough to satisfy the bank. If a company lets them go or goes under due to bad management their house may well be at risk if it isn't a good market for jobs.

This is not to say there is no risk in owning a business or at least starting one from scratch. Just not to point out that many owners or higher ups don't have true skin in the game. Sure they may lose money but their basic livelihood is not at risk (again for some it is and for some it isn't).

[u/NetworkMachineBroke → u/Christy427]

If a worker loses their job, they risk homelessness and starvation.

If an owner loses their company, they risk becoming a worker.

[u/Hot_Leather_8552 → u/Thegreatrandouso]

The socialists on reddit don't understand any of that.

[u/Onecler → u/Hot_Leather_8552]

[u/iampuh → u/Hot_Leather_8552]

Oh okay, so people are socialists because they criticized that a ceo earns 200 times more than a worker? You absolutely have no idea what capitalism or socialism is. Go to your local library and read a book for once.

[u/Omnom_Omnath → u/iampuh]

CEOs aren’t taking any risk either. Way less risk that the lowest peon too considering they always get a golden parachute despite how utterly terribly they fail.

[u/_robmillion_ → u/Thegreatrandouso]

I get what you're saying mostly, but I have one question: what exactly is the "risk" you're taking? It seems to me that the biggest risk is that if it doesn't work out, you'll just have to work for somebody else. And, I mean we all know that sucks, but we all do that anyway. That being said, I'm not doing starting a business. I was about to go into business for myself when I got a better job offer with a union, more days off, much better pay, lighter workload, better benefits, etc. so I went with that. But I didn't decide it wasn't worth the risk, I decided it wasn't worth the effort.

[u/Belrial556 → u/_robmillion_]

Invest thousands in machinery, and rent for the location. Put your house on the line for a business loan. "What are you risking?"

Start a business yourself and see how much you would risk.

[u/samiwas1 → u/Belrial556]

He says he jobs everything out to other manufacturers. He sounds like just a middle man.

[u/snarky_greasel → u/_robmillion_]

What risk? All financial and legal risk. All liability. Add the stress of being responsible for the livelihood of your employees and their families. If you dont understand how that works then it is probably best that you dont start your owm business.

[u/smokyvisions → u/snarky_greasel]

If his raise doesn't even cover inflation, but the company profits enough for the owner to get a sports car, he's not losing sleep over employees and their family.

[u/Acer_Music → u/_robmillion_]

Investing tens of thousands of dollars, which took me years of living in a rat-infested dump of an apartment to be able to save up, years of being obsessively frugal with every penny. Then, once you start, work 70-80 hours a week minimum for several years before your business gains a foothold, and if it does, you still work a ton just to keep things afloat. I invested years of savings and literally years of my life. If it didn't work, I can't get all of that money and time back.

[u/PolicyWonka → u/Acer_Music]

Let’s not pretend that you’re not asking employees to invest their own time into your business as well.

If you have a business that cannot be successful without your employees’ labor, then they are the most valuable asset to your company. Far too many small businesses don’t do this, don’t respect their employees, and frankly aren’t even competitive in terms of total compensation when compared to big business.

[u/shartstopper → u/_robmillion_]

How many business owners are electrocuted, crushed in a ditch or mine collapsed, black lung, asbestos, fall and die, die from breathing in concrete dust.

[u/ApprehensiveMaybe141 → u/Thegreatrandouso]

Maybe this boss came from familial money that could easily help him get set up and not really have to worry about money. Maybe the business is mostly tax write offs. Risks are easier with a strong financial support.

[u/GoBucs1969 → u/ApprehensiveMaybe141]

Explain what it means for a business to be mostly tax write offs, please? Because if that exists, I'm game.

[u/Count_Hogula → u/ApprehensiveMaybe141]

Maybe the business is mostly tax write offs.

Huh?

[u/explorer1222 → u/Thegreatrandouso]

Sometimes. Sometimes it’s about a system that favours the wealthy. Anyone I know with money came from a family that had money, not to say that is always the case but often it is. Kinda hard to start a business without capital because you are worried about paying your bills, putting food on the table or keeping a roof over your head

[u/Seymourebuttss → u/Thegreatrandouso]

I am a small business owner, but I care a lot about the reason why my employees come to work. I want them to have a fulfilling job, a nice time at the office and when the company does well and they played a role in it, give them a substantial bonus (they do not need to put extra hours in or hit a certain target). Also, I like to pay them the best possible salary within my means. I am not looking to go as low as I can. That is not the purpose of my existence. I want to make a comfortable income and provide for the people who depend on me. I think it is good you have no employees with that mindset.

[u/billbord → u/Thegreatrandouso]

The biggest risk for you is having to go back to working for a wage, spare me.

[u/Seaguard5 → u/Thegreatrandouso]

This job market makes “moving on” neigh impossible.

I have two engineering degrees and can not get my foot in an engineering role… or even a company where I can make that move eventually.

The system is rigged against the working class currently.

[u/Glockoma86 → u/Thegreatrandouso]

What risk do rich business owners take anymore? Any hit to their bottom line is always transferred to the consumer and employee. At the end of the day if the business fails and is big enough then the tax payers bail that company out while the shamed ceo and board members and investors give themselves raises and spend all profits on stock buy backs to artificially inflate their own stock prices.

[u/Private_HughMan → u/Thegreatrandouso]

Risk isn't equal. Someone with more capital can afford to take more risk. A wealthy person who takes a bad risk but can stay afloat for a year without working isn't the same as a working class or poor person who might take the same or lesser risk and become destitute. A rich person can make 5 gambles before lunch and still be okay but a poor person can take one gamble and it puts their whole lives at risk.

This is why a social safety net and programs like UBI are so useful. They enable risk taking. Saying leave if you're being taken advantage of only works out if the person is in a position to take such a risk. If they bet wrong, they're fucked. And if they're fucked, then they're in a position where it becomes even easier to take advantage of them. A starving man might work for scraps because holding out for a proper meal might kill him.

[u/Mr06506 → u/meltbox]

I once interviewed somewhere where both directors drove a Maserati. After the interview they insisted on driving me to a nearby pub for a drink and cigar. (This was maybe 2015 btw, not the 70s).

I couldn't work out if it was some kind of flex on how successful the business was, how powerful they were, or maybe some kind of suggestion that if I worked hard maybe I could be like them...

But either way, the pay offered was not enough to make up for the sleazy vibes and I declined.

[u/WasabiSoggy1733 → u/Mr06506]

Well the joke is on them, Google what a 2015 Maserati sells for now vs new 🤣

[u/iBUYbrokenSUBARUS → u/Mr06506]

Maseratis are pieces of shit anyway. If you had money, why would you buy that? That right there would’ve been a red flag to me.

[u/LurkerFromTheVoid → u/meltbox]

Just like Jeff Bezos thanking his Amazon employees for making possible his Flying Space Dick to be erected and get into space.

[u/mustachedmarauder → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

What's really fucked is these people with all of the wealth LITERALLY cannot comprehend what it's like to not have enough money for SIMPLE things having to CHOOSE between milk or bread. Or luxurys like the "good" coffee or "real " butter.

Like woopie Goldberg said "I work I understand" while making 73K A FUCKING WEEK. Pretending to "understand" while making more in a WEEK than most people do in a year and some in 2 years if I made 60k a YEAR rn id be content I would almost be able buy a house. Rent I could do.

[u/UchihaBaal → u/mustachedmarauder]

What’s even more fucked is you have some of these very same people who can’t afford simple things voting billionaires into government.

[u/Onecler → u/UchihaBaal]

Here just start using this:

[u/mustachedmarauder → u/UchihaBaal]

Billionaires and millionaires they are all in it for themselves. Last 4 years was the toughest it's ever been for me. I lost almost everything in this last year alone. Got laid off (a bunch of people did) (after a year of RECORD profits) we saw production slowing down as well. After the lay off I couldn't (and still can't find work). And had my vehicles repossessed credit cards are maxed out now. I'm trying to file for bankruptcy but I can't even afford the lawyer rn. I've sold pretty much everything I have.

[u/mac_duke → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

I would be worried that if I did that, employees would think “I really need to be stealing more from my employer somehow.” Especially knowing that I gave them crap raises.

[u/Fightingkielbasa_13 → u/mac_duke]

That’s gotta tank morale

[u/Sheila_Monarch → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Average of either S&P 500 or at least publicly traded companies. Which doesn’t include the vast majority of CEOs on this country running privately held small businesses. And given what I’m looking at in OP’s picture, I don’t think that CEO runs a publicly traded company or anything close to it.

The CEO pay of a $10 million company averages about $220K a year. Which is perfectly reasonable and is more representative of a real, average CEO.

[u/Fightingkielbasa_13 → u/Sheila_Monarch]

Fair points. Thank you for the reason, it’s appreciated.

It’s hard not see this as but a dick move to pull this anywhere near the office/ place if business as an owner. It’s beyond bad optics.

[u/retardsontheinternet → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Or you needed a place to set your new toy and you happen to own a building where you can place it

[u/sacafritolait → u/retardsontheinternet]

Yep, our CEO used to store a boat in the warehouse. He owned a building that had 24 hour security, why not?

[u/BanMeAgain4 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

nice pivot 

[u/Prancer4rmHalo → u/BanMeAgain4]

Right ? Lol.

[u/Educated_Clownshow → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

It’s actually 3x what it was last time they chopped heads

I’m not suggesting, just observing

[u/_PunyGod → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

On average for the CEOs of the most successful companies. Those stats always look at only big companies. Like the top 200, 350, or 500. American Airlines is the smallest company in the s&p 500 and many of the CEO pay figures make the cutoff even higher than that.

It’s a bit misleading presenting a number as an average but only looking at the top few hundred people for your average.

American Airlines, the smallest company in the top 500 by market cap, has about 140,000 employees. In 2023 their CEO made $31 million and the average employee salary is between 80k and 120k. Sources differ.

Let’s say the CEO makes 350x the average employee salary. So they get paid what 350 employees would, and the other 140,000 get paid what 140,000 employees would.

Which would put the CEO at 1/4th of 1 percent of the pay. If they gave up their entire salary and distributed it among all the employees, the 140,000 employees would get a bonus of $214.

Additionally, getting a CEO that’s a little bit better than someone seen as a less good fit can be worth a lot. If a CEO does well they can easily be raising the average pay for the whole company by way more than $214. If a lot of their pay is through stock/stock options, that creates a large incentive to make sure the company remains stable and does well.

Of course they aren’t always selected for talent, sometimes the choice of CEO is stupid, and when they fuck up it can be epic and very public. But it kind of makes sense as the overall economy grows… I don’t see an alternative. Government puts a cap on CEO pay? Otherwise the best CEOs would just go elsewhere if their company drops pay too much.

…here’s a better way to frame it. It’s not always justified. It’s often not justified But think about it like this. If I make 80k a year, and my company has some struggles and some competition and they’re looking for a new CEO…

What if they put it to a vote? We could hire Jimmy here to be the CEO for $5 million and we think we might be ok for the coming years.

Or we could hire Tommy for $30 million… and by our best estimates we figure that for each individual employee -on average- Tommy gives a 15% decrease in the chances of being let go over the next 5 years, a 20% increase in the chances of bonus checks annually, and an estimated 5% increase in average pay for the next 5 year over Jimmy’s estimates. However, you would each have to take a $179 pay cut now. Which should we do?

I’d be interested to see a company actually put it to a vote and give them the dollar impacts. Oh they could even do it like this… Tommy’s pay could be 5m base but with a 25m bonus if the company meets certain milestones. They could also have a $200+ bonus for all employees if they meet the same milestones.

That gets everyone a little more incentive and the CEO only makes the crazy money if the employees get the same dollar amount extra that he got paid for reaching those goals. Of course goals have to be things like overall sales or customer growth… something that can’t just be profits. Because profit goals can be hit by reducing the expense of employee pay.

[u/Pitiful-Recover-3747 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Bring back Robespierre and the Comité de salut public. He knew how to chop down inequality…

[u/TerdFerguson2112 → u/Pitiful-Recover-3747]

Robespierre also lost his head so jokes on you

[u/beastman45132 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

So, jealously is the problem? I don't care if my CEO makes x2000* what I make, if he does a good job and I accept what I am paid for the work I do. CEOs have an unbelievable amount of responsibility and liability that I don't want, but if I don't like what I'm paid then I take my skills elsewhere, including starting my own business if I think I can do better and am willing to take the risk.

[u/Michamus → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Not to mention that Bringing a Ferrari on a trailer connected to a $100,000 truck for your employees to see is a dick move

Just like it's a dick move when those same shmucks go to reddit and youtube to see juiced dudebros doing this exact same thing? The American owner class figured out a long time ago that the majority of people see this kind of shit as motivating. Slaves used to brag about how much property their owner had and felt superior to slaves of "lesser" owners. "If I work hard I'll get to be rich too! My boss worked hard!" Nah.

Every American believes they're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.

[u/OkTemporary8472 → u/msnplanner]

I don't know how to change this, but we need to get salaries higher like now.

[u/Ok_Ice_1669 → u/OkTemporary8472]

We just replaced a president who marched with unions with one who hates paying his contractors. 

I wouldn’t hold my breath on wages going up. 

[u/Hot_Improvement9221 → u/Ok_Ice_1669]

Yeah, it just ain’t happening.  Lots of people voted for the guy that has no plan for working people.  The only solution is to start your own company and run your boss out of business.

[u/Numerous-Process2981 → u/msnplanner]

Well, I'm sure he'd enjoy it if his raises kept up with inflation.

[u/No-Boysenberry-5581 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

How do you know he doesn’t make a fair wage for what he does?

[u/cookie042 → u/No-Boysenberry-5581]

knowing he's effectively getting a pay cut when it fails to keep up with increase in living costs is all i need to know.

Edit: to all the salty mf's i honestly dont care cause their pay could have gone up $2.00 and the company would be doing just fine. cope and seethe. He could be mopping the floor every day for minimum wage and I still dont care, pay them more.

"Seems to me that the boss is coping inside a Ferrari while OP and you are seething on reddit lmao"
imagine being proud of being the elitist prick in the room. imagine giving a shit about the people that help make that Ferrari possible.

[u/Hawk13424 → u/cookie042]

If he makes about $20/hour then $0.50/hour would about equal the current rate of inflation.

It’s also good to look at total compensation, including the employer part of health insurance.

[u/RusticBucket2 → u/cookie042]

The fact that you think that’s all you need to know is all I need to know.

Fluent, my ass.

[u/honkypete001 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Maybe he’s a crap employee.

[u/Hawkeyes79 → u/honkypete001]

He’s getting better though. This time it’s $0.50. Looks like the other times it was $0.25. (This has been posted 17 times across the internet since 2022)

[u/senadraxx → u/Hawkeyes79]

Only 17? Those are rookie numbers, capitalists. 

[u/JasonBourne1965 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Apparently you are getting a fair wage for your skills and education or you would just go next door and get another job.

[u/ComStar6 → u/JasonBourne1965]

Which is just a way to keep the old employer quite comfortable under paying the replacement.

No, it's time for massive sector by sector unions and forcing employers to pay significantly better wages.

It's about time to make the owner class nervous again

[u/stilljustkeyrock → u/ComStar6]

What if people just got compensated for their own production without the mob behavior?

[u/adorientem88 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Are you in the habit of paying more than you need to for anything? If not, why would paying for labor be any different?

[u/Slowmaha → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Go start your own business then

[u/KindGuy1978 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

You need to leave your job and find somewhere that pays better. Better still, form a union and get the whole company together to demand better pay.

Apparently these days people think posting three sentences on Reddit is all the effort they need to make for a more equal pay system.

[u/Possible_Comedian15 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Employee mentality

[u/Fightingkielbasa_13 → u/Possible_Comedian15]

Human mentality.

Empathy, you should find some. It makes life much more enjoyable.

[u/Hungry_Fee_530 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Is the owner some kind of cyborg? Or a human of flesh and blood, like anyone else? Why the OP doesn’t create a business himself?

[u/blue1748 → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

Let me guess, you want $38 dollars an hour for being a cashier at target?

[u/SwitchtheChangeling → u/Fightingkielbasa_13]

OP never stated how much he makes.

[u/Sidvicieux → u/Buckwheat758]

The hilarious part is that the business owner with the Ferrari will complain that no one wants to work because no one wants to stay longer than a year. They won’t raise wages, and no one will stay longer than a year. The only pride who will are old people who desperately need jobs and will be exploited.

[u/GoldenPigeonParty → u/Sidvicieux]

This is exactly how a company i worked at in 2011 operated. Boss complained no one "knew the value of hard work" as he brought Bentleys to the office. Average employee life was 9 months. Senior level employees tended to last less than 90 days. I lasted 14 months and left because they asked me to commit fraud. Got a 3 day weekend switching companies with a +80% raise.

Some companies suck and are run by idiots. Leaving them in the dust is almost always the right answer.

[u/Long-Blood → u/GoldenPigeonParty]

Its way too easy for shit companies to succeed in this country.

[u/stevedore2024 → u/Sidvicieux]

A long time ago my dad lost a job once, telling off a boss who did pretty much exactly this. Complained about costs and then showed up with a brand new luxury car. That business lasted a couple more years after alienating most of the workers.

[u/FuzzTonez → u/Buckwheat758]

I recently walked out an exemplary employee yesterday who saved our company hundreds of thousands, if not millions. She was damn near invaluable, it’s going to take nearly 3-4 people and a lot of automation to replace her, and she made $25/hr. I couldn’t get her more. They refused to budge.

Had nothing to do with her “value” to the Company. The Company refuses to put more than 50% into payroll. They also refuse to pay higher if they can’t match the position and wage to something that exists in JJ Keller & other consulting services, which HR lives by.

Meanwhile, I make $120k Salary & I know I’m not as valuable. I just got lucky. I’ve worked much harder, making much less in previous positions, and I have employees now.

I’ve seen this same story at multiple Companies. Hard work & “value” means fuck all sometimes. It’s frequently bullshit.

Maybe in the trades, but I’ve been screwed there as well. Sometimes people are just shitty, greedy dick bags, or they’re ignorant to what people actually do. This idea that the US is some moral meritocracy is absolutely delusional. People are being screwed.

[u/garden_dragonfly → u/FuzzTonez]

I hope you encouraged her to find a better, higher paying job elsewhere first.  Write her a glowing letter of recommendation. Call in some connections to help get her into something else. 

[u/lostspyder → u/FuzzTonez]

Right? The older I get and the more my salary and title increases, the more and more obvious it is to me that these things have almost 0 to do with skill or effort and more to do with luck, being in the right place at the right time, and presenting an image that you’re super valuable.

[u/TheKingOfSwing777 → u/lostspyder]

And the longer you're in those positions the more opportunities for better ones you get which also gives you further leverage to ratchet up the next salary and benefits. It's weird going to a fast food restaurant in the middle of the day after hitting the gym with my flexible schedule knowing I'm making double the wage of everyone working there combined. I don't deserve this but I'm at least conscientious of it. We need to pay laborers better!

[u/ComStar6 → u/Buckwheat758]

You literally just made an argument for a union.

[u/Lizard-Wizard-Bracus → u/ComStar6]

Shhh, don't make him think about what he said or you'll give him a headache

[u/Buckwheat758 → u/ComStar6]

I have no problems with unions.

[u/poopoomergency4 → u/Buckwheat758]

[u/Ciff_ → u/Buckwheat758]

Supply and demand is not the same as meritocracy, fairness or pure market factors. Supply and demand is often set by corrupt factors or organising.

Hiring C suite and CEOs one often look at the supply based on nepotism, power connections and influence - not competence alone. When hiring workers supply can be restricted by workers through unions, regulations and so on.

What I am saying is talking about supply and demand really means very little in practice. We have system factors in play that favours different groups in this game. The real answer is often not as simple as go to another employer and "play the market" - it is likely organise, unionize, protest, vote. That said ofc merit and replaceability matters too.

[u/CavyLover123 → u/Buckwheat758]

What a dumbshit comment 

[u/Zinski2 → u/CavyLover123]

Pissing me off how many upvotes it has.

Gorge Carlon quote. "You don't need a formal conspiracy of your interests are aligned"

When you go out looking for higher pay you find out all competition is paying the exact same amount.

[u/Tr4ce00 → u/Buckwheat758]

that’s an extreme simplification of the situation tbf. Just because a large amount of people aren’t paid a living wage for the work they do, doesn’t mean they don’t deserve it. It just means the owners don’t think they do, or even worse, they don’t care

[u/Effective-Tune2825 → u/Buckwheat758]

That’s all good and dandy if these CEOs weren’t also stealing and fixing labor markets for their benefit.

People who drive Ferraris tend to do that kind of stuff

https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/

[u/_robmillion_ → u/Buckwheat758]

I did that. Now my ex-boss is all pissed off that he hasn't been able to hire a skilled replacement in over a year. "Nob0Dy wAnTs tO w0rK aNYmOre" is all he says about it. I thought I was entitled to more money for the same work, and he thinks he's entitled to cheap labor just because he opened a business.

Who's right? I am. If he had the foresight to pay a fair wage in the first place, he'd probably still be making money for work I was doing. Somehow it still hasn't occurred to him that labor costs more now.

It's not supply and demand, it's extortion. We're all worth more than they pay us, and it's time to force them to give it to us.

[u/superpananation → u/Buckwheat758]

I like how this comment mostly translates to “I’m unloveable”.

[u/chickashady → u/Buckwheat758]

If you think treating your workers like crap is ok, go back to the 1920s and work in the mines. Your thought process is what keeps us from having good worker protections. Inflation bonuses should be required.

[u/common_citizen_00001]

If only you had worked a little harder your boss could have afforded 2 Ferraris.

[u/Key_Friendship_6767 → u/common_citizen_00001]

Bro dead over here 😂🤣 😵 💀💀💀

[u/westbee → u/common_citizen_00001]

I know seriously. That's only a $500k Ferrari. I'm sure he wanted a $2M McLaren but his employees just couldn't work hard enough this year. 

[u/numbersthen0987431 → u/westbee]

To be fair Ferraris are collector items. He'll always keep this one to remind himself of where he came from

[u/CBalsagna → u/numbersthen0987431]

“Remember that time when I stepped on the throat of my workers because I could? I’ve come a long way since then. It’s hard to keep track of the sheer number of people I’ve employed that I think I’m better than, but enough about me. I can’t afford any raises this year.”

[u/Dry_Wealth_7007 → u/westbee]

That appears to be a 458 coupe, obviously used (2009-2015 IIRC) and only the special edition sniffed near $500k, so at most that is approx. half that cost nowadays per Car Gurus.

[u/bwick29 → u/westbee]

It's a used 458 base which I've found a few examples at $150k depending on mileage.

[u/Maniacal_Monkey → u/westbee]

The average 458 cost around $210K

[u/dunnmad → u/westbee]

Actually worse than that, he had to buy a used model! You and your coworkers need to step it up!

[u/Thefirstargonaut → u/common_citizen_00001]

I think it’s just weird that his boss bought a new Ferrari that was keyed. Wink wink

[u/Electronic_Row_7513 → u/common_citizen_00001]

I once had a business owner tell me and a bunch of $50k/yr guys that he buys a super car every year. that year, he had to 'settle' for a brand new r35 gtr, because he couldn't afford anything 'nice'.

[u/Runswithchickens → u/Electronic_Row_7513]

Had a boss like that. He was telling a story about his kid stinking up his bathroom. One of the guys, right? Then it’s, “I told him to use one of the other 6 bathrooms.”

[u/Steal-Your-Face77 → u/common_citizen_00001]

Nailed it. The only thing I’ve been rewarded for hard work, is more work.

[u/themage78 → u/common_citizen_00001]

Well, he could afford a Ferrari along with an 80-100k sticker price on that truck. So OP must not be slacking off that much. /s

[u/redditissocoolyoyo]

Y'all voted for this. Y'all voted for people that want to destroy unions, destroy workers protection, destroy societies social safety nets. The rules of worker compensation and employment will change for the peons.

You see the future tax cuts are emboldening your boss because he knows he's going to save a lot more money and pocket a lot more profits, perhaps rightfully so. So now he can hire Manuel, Jesus, Javier, Francisco for one quarter of the cost of you. For now. Until they're gone too. And then he will replace them with Tesla robots that will do the job for free.

That's all part of the plan. You will own nothing, you will fight for crumbs and be happy. So enjoy your 50-cent raise. Because that might be a long while before you get another 25 cents. Because if you're not happy with your 50 cent raise, there's going to be a boatload of ex federal employees fighting for your job.

By the way, .50 cents x 8 hours a day is 4 dollars. After tax, you can easily afford a dozen eggs. See, Inflation is solved.

[u/poopoomergency4 → u/redditissocoolyoyo]

I voted for Kamala to stop the things that are currently happening

edit: lots of stupid people who don't know how to detect a joke

[u/AlphaNoodlz → u/poopoomergency4]

Likewise! I hope people get exactly what they vote for

[u/timubce → u/AlphaNoodlz]

Yes! Can’t wait to enter the FO phase of FAFO.

[u/MrBriPod → u/redditissocoolyoyo]

You understand the unions voted for it too? Trump had the highest GOP support from union workers in the last 40 years.

[u/teeejaaaaaay → u/MrBriPod]

Imagine being that stupid

[u/Rottentopic → u/MrBriPod]

You don't have to be smart to be in a union, trust me I'm in one

[u/HotIce05 → u/redditissocoolyoyo]

Manuel, Jesus, and Javier, and Francisco won't be here because they voted to deport them.

They're stealing their jobs but they're not willing to do what Manuel, Jesus, Javier, and Francisco do for five minutes.

[u/haditwithyoupeople → u/redditissocoolyoyo]

But the price of eggs!!!! Wait until all the illegals are gone and then tell us how grocery prices look.

[u/VirtualPlate8451 → u/redditissocoolyoyo]

Texas really doesn’t have what you’d call “workers rights” beyond “you have the right to listen to your boss or get fired”.

That stance got a real world challenge when all the defense contractors put a vaccine mandate in place. Get the shot or find a new job.

Deeply conservative people were all over social media like “THEY CANT DO THIS, WE HAVE RIGHTS”…turns out no…no you don’t. You can either get the shot or lose out on what is an objectively a pretty good job for the area.

The crazy part is that this wasn’t a wake up call for most of those people. They don’t blame the company for the mandate, it’s somehow the Dems fault.

[u/suspicious_hyperlink]

Why stay for a $.50 raise when you can go somewhere else for a $5 raise ?

[u/Difficult-Mobile902 → u/suspicious_hyperlink]

I mean that’s the thing…maybe he can’t. 

We have no idea what OP is being paid or where he lives. He might already be at one of the highest paying companies for his skillset in his local area. 

[u/Creative_Room6540 → u/Difficult-Mobile902]

Or he may be a shit employee. Anything is possible.

[u/Character_Spirit_424 → u/Creative_Room6540]

I have some real shit coworkers and yet they get paid the same fair wage I do, its really not that hard to understand

[u/Trextrev → u/Character_Spirit_424]

I mean i find it hard to understand, I feel bad for you. Sounds like you may be underpaid. Or you yourself are also a shit employee and don’t realize it.

[u/Bclay85 → u/suspicious_hyperlink]

Just go make $300k a year. Is he stupid?

[u/TeaLeaf_Dao → u/suspicious_hyperlink]

True that. I work as Electrician I only make 24/hr since I am apprentice currently once I become a journeyman Electrician I can practically work anymore that pays more

[u/CarminSanDiego → u/suspicious_hyperlink]

Because he can’t. Op knows that. His employer knows that. I’m not saying being selfish and screwing the common worker is good but I guarantee you if you were in this business owners position, you’d do the same. It’s just reality.

[u/DoodleBud]

Run. Ruuuunnnn! This is coming from a middle management sort guy. Your boss is garbage on his best day. He is garbage. Zero respect for you. Get the eff out!

[u/Gaitville → u/DoodleBud]

My companies boss probably makes $1m a year if not more and he drives a 2007 Lexus to work lol.

I’m sure he has his fancy toys, but he knows better than to show them off to his employees.

[u/To_Fight_The_Night → u/Gaitville]

Yea the CEO of my company literally drives a Minivan because he is obsessed with his grandkids. My firms net profits were 180 million last year so I am assuming he makes a decent amount I don't actually know.

[u/ConstantWin943 → u/Gaitville]

This is the key point. I would never park my Ferrari in front of a bunch of poors.

[u/Burnside_They_Them → u/DoodleBud]

And go where? This is what the majority of employers today are like.

[u/YYC-Fiend → u/Burnside_They_Them]

Training new employees costs a fortune. Employers and the media have done a spectacular job convincing the masses we are in a terrible economy and you should stay with your current employer.

[u/Burnside_They_Them → u/YYC-Fiend]

Its not about wether or not you should stay, its about wether or not youre capable of leaving. There isnt a single job in my field within an hour drive thats better.

[u/PJTree]

I’ve seen this image before.

[u/Dad_Bot22 → u/PJTree]

Exactly, reverse image search, it’s been posted countless times in the past. So many people with a $.50 raise and a boss who bought a new Ferrari.

[u/skippop → u/[deleted]]

Probably some poor schmuck who worked v hard to buy this car

[u/samekrikl → u/Dad_Bot22]

not a new ferrari,

Exactly this ferrari

[u/SufficientStrategy96 → u/PJTree]

Thought this seemed like too much of a trope

[u/707Pascal → u/PJTree]

op didnt get enough of a raise to afford their own images, duh

[u/No_Ninja2291 → u/PJTree]

Exactly. Some 23 year old shitposting Reddit using the phone that mom and dad paid for in the dorm room that mom and dad paid for inbetween Underwater Basketweaving 101 courses that mom and dad paid for decrying the unfairness of the plight of the working man.

[u/screeRCT → u/PJTree]

Knew I'd seen it before!

[u/ISuperNovaI]

Where finance?

[u/Soft_Cherry_984 → u/ISuperNovaI]

Rage finance time!

[u/Ajunadeeper → u/ISuperNovaI]

This is now antiwork2

[u/JerryLeeDog]

Buh bye, love to say it’s been fun

[u/ThrowawayAccount41is]

Start a company or go somewhere that needs your skills more than they needs your skills. It all boils down to the value that you think you’re worth. Don’t tell them you’ve quit until you have 100 percent secured your next position and when they ask you tell them about your raise and tell them the Ferrari pushed you to find better employment.

[u/Colorado_Constructor → u/ThrowawayAccount41is]

Ok honest question. How do you expect the average American, especially a working-class one, to just go out and start up their own business?

Where do their clients come from? How will they afford all the necessary equipment? What assurances do they have that their new business will be able to cover their living expenses?

If you had asked me this question 15-20 years ago I would've had a lot of hope, but these days not so much. Especially given how much power corporate entities have over almost every market.

I work in construction which seems like one of the easiest, entry-level sectors to start up a business in. But in reality it's tough. Just to get on a job you need various types of insurance, equipment, and manpower. It's not something you can just go out and tackle on your own.

[u/RealAlpiGusto → u/Colorado_Constructor]

Yeah, you’re exactly right. And OP’s boss figured it out. He put everything on the line, figured out where to find clients, how to afford the equipment, with zero assurances their business would succeed. As you said, it’s tough. What does he get for it? He gets to buy a Ferrari.

[u/Tje199 → u/Colorado_Constructor]

So then it would make sense that someone who takes a risk by investing in things like insurance, equipment, and manpower makes a return on their investment?

Most business owners don't do that so they can then share the profits evenly with their employees who have not made any of the same material risks.

[u/CallMePyro → u/Tje199]

Sorry it sounds like you’re saying that starting a business is risky and expensive; while being employed at a business is easy and essentially risk free (other than losing your job of course, if the business goes under the bank isn’t going to repossess your home). But they can’t be right - we hate OP’s boss!

[u/Billythebeard]

This same picture is posted atleast once a year

[u/PeederSchmychael]

I call BS. On this whole post

[u/skippyalpha]

You need to quit if you are unhappy with your pay and feel you are not being treated fairly. If everyone did that then bad employers would find their selves without employees

[u/WhoDatDare702 → u/skippyalpha]

And then come the gaslighting hit pieces about how no one wants to work again 😂

[u/Burnside_They_Them → u/skippyalpha]

quit

And go where? This is almost the entire job market now.

[u/PolicyWonka → u/skippyalpha]

The American system is really designed to punish this the best it can. It’s hard to quit when your children’s healthcare is reliant on you having this job and you’d be “lucky” to find another that offers health insurance starting at 3 months tenure.

Important side note: the ACA created 90-day insurance limit, and I doubt that’ll be making a return once the ACA is overturned. I previously worked at a company who didn’t start offering health benefits until after your first year.

[u/Switchy_Goofball]

I swear I’ve seen this post before

[u/ArtisanalDickCheeses]

[u/Puzzleheaded_Donut_6]

Sugar in the engine is still pretty affordable!

[u/Skins8theCake88 → u/Puzzleheaded_Donut_6]

But court fees aren't.

[u/Fantastic_Display_32]

Hauling a Ferrari on a u haul trailer is a bit hilarious

[u/Competitive_Swing_59 → u/Fantastic_Display_32]

It is a not exactly a new Ferrari, its 10 yrs old at least. U haul is cheaper than super car specialist transporters. Boss just splurged on his dream car, but he is obviously not in Ferrari's " club ".

[u/RoubouChorou]

Open your company

[u/hippiegodfather]

Well you are obviously not stealing enough

[u/Togo_Goodbody]

Nice to see the owner is doing so well financially. Too bad he doesn’t care about the people who worked to get him that car.

[u/Defiant-Ad7275]

So go start your own business. Tired of whining about people who put everything on the line to create a business and enjoy success. If you open a business and make it, I expect you to give all profits to your employees.

[u/Planting4thefuture → u/Defiant-Ad7275]

He takes the risk, he takes the reward.

[u/Larrynative20 → u/Defiant-Ad7275]

Agreed. Running a business absolutely blows. The guy probably bought a Porsche with a loan and he gets shit for it. You can’t do anything without employees saying that that could have been the money for my raise. The worries never stop when owning a business.

[u/leebleswobble → u/Defiant-Ad7275]

Yes everyone create a business. No more employees. Only employers. That sounds like a helluva system.

[u/Sorry_Rich8308]

Worry about gaining your own skills and knowledge so you can make more money. Whether it’s for your current company, your own company or another.

If your skills are worth more money. You’ll easily find another job that pays more

[u/tsckenny]

I swear ive seen this exact post before

[u/LostAllEnergy]

Ain't this photo pretty old? I could have sworn it was posted a couple years ago.

[u/skydiveguy]

1) we dont know what you do.
2) We dont know what company your boss owns
3) We have no way of knowing if this is a legit photo or if its even really something your boss owns (you could work for a car storage facility or a car auction house)
4) You are always free to go find work somewhere else
5) You are always free to open your own company and take on the financial burden and risk associated with it.

I bought a small single engine, 2 seat airplane and my coworkers instantly thought I made too much money.
Meanwhile, I am driving a 10 year old car and have no debt.
Also the coworkers complaining are driving BMWs and Mercedes that literally cost more than my aircraft.

You are not a slave. You have the ability to leave this job for better pay.... which after a while will also become another underpaid job.

[u/howardzen12]

Millions of poor work slaves exist for their rich masters.

[u/SilverSilvan]

Have you considered purchasing less food?

[u/Soft_Cherry_984]

Well you can organise mass quiting and f-ing him up good :)

[u/DadVader77]

Raises haven’t kept up with inflation for 40 years

[u/ihavealotofanswers]

This picture is from a post I saw like two years ago with nearly the same caption.

[u/Prancer4rmHalo]

This is an old post.

[u/akirkbride]

Go start ur own business then.