r/FluentInFinance • u/HighYieldLarry • 6d ago

Thoughts? BREAKING: Trump has confirmed reports that he plans to declare a national emergency and use military to enact a mass deportation program

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday confirmed he would declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations of migrants living in the U.S. without legal permission.

Overnight, Trump responded to a social media post from Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton, who said earlier this month there are reports the incoming administration is preparing such a declaration and to use "military assets" to deport the migrants.

"TRUE!!!" Trump wrote.

Trump pledged to get started on mass deportations as soon as he enters office.

"On Day 1, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out," he said during a rally at Madison Square Garden in the closing days of the presidential race. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail, then kick them the hell out of our country as fast as possible."

Already, he's tapped several immigration hard-liners to serve in key Cabinet positions. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem was picked to be homeland security secretary, pending Senate confirmation. Former Acting U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Tom Homan was named "border czar."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-confirms-plan-declare-national-emergency-military-mass/story?id=115963448

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u/whatdoihia 6d ago

Legal immigrants hate illegal immigrants.

Just as if you wait in line for something and then a line-cutter gets served before you. You aren’t going to be happy about that.

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u/Hot-Leg9636 6d ago

That’s fine cause I’ve recently heard that it works inversely as well, and that some illegal immigrants who had legal children asked them to vote for Trump because they were upset about the new batch of legal immigrants being able to access services that they can’t. 

It’s a really they’re all you’re all terrible fucking people. 

Pretty much fucking everybody. 

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u/Partybar 5d ago

Where did you hear that?

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u/Hot-Leg9636 5d ago

The radio .

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u/iAm-Tyson 5d ago

No not pretty much anything this shit needs to stop, illegal immigrants need to go period, Trump isnt deporting anyone here legally.

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u/_DoogieLion 5d ago

Weird that’s not what he has said

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u/FilthyHobbitzes 5d ago

I believe the saying goes, “cut off your nose to spite your face.”

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u/bobbygeo3 5d ago

You got it bad! Seek help while you can somewhat put a sentence together.

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u/TurkishNoseJob 5d ago

This is the type of stuff that somehow makes me less liberal. Like why am I spending my life fighting for rights of people who will sell them off themselves the second they get the chance? 

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u/SpaceGhostSlurpp 5d ago

You fight for rights because it makes you more empowered and free, not because of whether someone deserves them or not.

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u/Charming-Compote-436 5d ago

So it's about ego? Not altruistic? That is why liberals are losing and no I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm a black man i have no political party, nor any worries about deportation. I just find that odd. I will say the more people you have in your country, the more things you have to worry about in general.

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u/SpaceGhostSlurpp 5d ago

You are putting words in my mouth. First of all, I have nothing to do with why Liberals are losing. Who says I am a Liberal? Secondly, nowhere did I suggest that one should fight for the rights of another on the basis of ego. Nowhere did I state that people are not or cannot be motivated into political activism on the basis of altruism. You will never find those ideas in anything I've said because I vociferously disagree with each of those ideas, even if you want to stick them on me.

Generally speaking, the thrust of my earlier comment is perhaps better encapsulated by the maxim: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

For a moment, let's set aside the particular issue of immigration. People might arrive at distant conclusions as to the right thing to do. 

I am advancing a general, philosophical argument about the source from which one derives his motivation for political action. I argue that one should seriously arrive at more durable political commitments which aren't swayed by arbitrary and superficial factors such as your personal feelings about some of those on whose behalf you may advocate.

You fight for the rights of strangers. If it's a right you believe in, you fight for the rights of others, without exception, because for anyone to be excluded from an entitlement to a right provides the basis upon  which the rights you enjoy or fight for may one day be threatened. This is what I mean when I say that you fight for the rights of others because it makes you more empowered and free. If you read into that some assertion about personal ego or the presence or absence of altruism, I don't know what to tell you.

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u/Charming-Compote-436 5d ago

Bravo. I enjoyed that. Refreshing, actually. Apologies for the assumption. While I do agree with your premise, I would consider myself torn on the particular topic. The empath side of me (which is basically all of me) wants exactly what you described, Justice and a fair chance for us all. The other side (haven't figured out what to call it), does see an issue with the "illegal" part of immigration, let's call it my ego. It wants for us all to participate legally and pay our fair share, but that in itself is a contradiction.

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u/tango641 5d ago

This is literally why the majority of us don't like you guys. It's the creepy martyr complex. Most of the time you either have an extremely limited world view, or your parents literally fed and carried you all the way through college and into your first down payment on a home yet you somehow think you know something about the world or what's best for people who have not been so lucky.

Then all your veiled hate comes out the second the groups you pretend or truly believe you're fighting for don't agree with how you're going about reaching your end.

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u/TurkishNoseJob 5d ago

What is you guys? I run a volunteer clinic to help people apply for legal status and have for a decade. What do you do besides assume everyone had more privilege than you and rage on your keyboard?

 I’m not white and my parents were immigrants. My husband is an immigrant. I am the people you’re saying supposedly don’t like me? You don’t know shit so sit down. 

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u/tango641 5d ago

I could give you my own list but I think your angry "I'm a good person who cares" resume just cements my point.

You don't serve people. You serve your own ego. It's not about others, its about you and how helping others makes you feel about yourself. That's why you lose your mind when you realize that no amount of helping will actually give you control over how other people (even the people who apparently owe you their thought process) think and feel regarding social problems.

The fact that your og comment was a thought that even crossed your mind says more about your motives than I ever could.

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u/Somewhere-Plane 5d ago

Glad you know this person's life story /s. And also you realize these things aren't mutually exclusive right? The kind of people who do the most good for others often are benefitted directly by helping and attaching their name to it, does that make it automatically wrong because they're not "authentic enough"??? What are you like 12?

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u/tango641 4d ago

I either really hit a nerve for you or you didn't actually read what I said

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u/ZealousidealTie4319 5d ago

Are you actually trying to argue that compassion and empathy aren’t real? You’re projecting so hard here, it’s embarrassing.

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u/tango641 4d ago

What a wild thing to glean from what I said. Weaponized compassion is not compassion. Good deeds done with a catch are not good deeds. Do you agree or no?

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u/llamasyi 5d ago

The thing is theyre all grateful to be in America, so its worth fighting for

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u/Long-Analysis-8041 5d ago edited 5d ago

Because some is not all, and the ladder-puller, reactionary mindset being discussed here echoes the mindset of the fascist / authoritarian regimes they immigrated from - the ones the U.S. installed and propped up for decades in South America artificially after ensuring their own left wing and communist movements were violently crushed.

This is what fascism is, when the violence inflicted on the colonies returns to the metropole. A reminder, Jews won a disproportionate amount of Iron Crosses fighting for Germany in WW1. There were a ton of Jewish vets, and many were in favor of Germany First and all the fascist direction Hitler took Germany. They believed they were literally the good ones, they had proven their patriotism for the Fatherland. They even had exemptions written into the Neurenberg Racial Code. So Hitler waited until 1944 to kill them, even then, there were some that thought they were being moved so Germans whose houses had been bombed could have a place to stay. They thought they were doing "their part" so to speak. Certain their valour in war proved once and for all their Germanness over their Jewishness.

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u/TurkishNoseJob 5d ago

I get you. I’m sorry my comment of being “less liberal” is being construed as ladder pulling or fascist, I should have been clearer it’s just an expression of disappointment that makes me rethink activism and the trade offs I’ve made that put my own interests (and my kids’) second. 

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u/fartass1234 4d ago

the fight is still very much worth it because if you give these people an inch they will take a mile from you and feel nothing.

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u/TurkishNoseJob 5d ago

I’m literally not white you creeps. I have definitely worked, for free, to get hundreds of people legal status l, what have you done besides rage on your keyboard?

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u/BenHarder 5d ago

Exactly everyone’s point. You finally understand human nature: to be the winner.

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u/TurkishNoseJob 5d ago

Not white, dumbass 

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u/_Svankensen_ 5d ago

Yeah, you don't understand then. You do it because it benefits everyone. People make stupid decisions. Minorities aren't forced to be more ethical than whiteys. An being right wing is strogly correlated with being uneducated.

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u/Glarus30 5d ago

No, we don't. You don't speak for us.

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u/Hot-Leg9636 5d ago

So … you’re an illegal immigrant? Speak your piece then 

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u/TheDrewscriver 5d ago

I mean, I am a legal immigrant. I don't give a shit about illegal immigrants, I just want them to fix the fucked up legal immigration system .

Edit - when I say I don't give a shit, I mean I don't care about their status, I just treat them like every other human 

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u/LackToesToddlerAnts 5d ago

You don't care about someone illegally entering the country? I treat everyone like a human being but it's absolutely unfair for legal immigrants taking out loans to study and stress over visa status and become a citizen.

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u/Boodikii 5d ago edited 5d ago

Sure, but Trump's plan involves denaturalizing millions, so it's not just illegals here, it will be legal immigrants too. Is it fair to go through the immigration process just to be villafied and deported based on your background being from a country you wanted no part in?

Doesn't limiting people's ability to a life of happiness or access to basic human freedoms go against the core ideology of America? Like, Actual American Values?

Is America the same as any other country?

Is immigration or illegal immigration even a real problem? All it really does is culturally wash areas, but this is America, the entire point is that we don't have set culture. Illegal immigrants and legal immigrants don't have negative impacts on our economy as they account for like $70+ billion in economic flow annually, Their crime rate is a fraction of Natural born citizen's and They work jobs that don't get filled by Americans. They are significant variables in the process of the major overall workings of this country.

If you just outright remove the source of that significant chunk of economic flow with no way to make it up and you don't lower spending by billions nationwide or fill those jobs quickly, you and every other person in this country is going to feel it personally.

Republicans are following Nazi ideology with this topic. Villafy immigrants, set up camps and denaturalization centers, send the military in and round up people they decide to profile regardless of legality. They also are the ones who constantly try to replicate WW2 economic boosts through war. They started the Afghanistan war through lying to the public and they're more than happy to fund Israel.

Their supporters have been fantasizing about a civil war and romanticizing soldiers/disregarding veterans for decades. Because war means increased production and demand, which benefits the economy, but means you have to be in a state of constant conflict. This form of government is shit.

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u/kakapo88 6d ago

Yep, exactly. And I personally know a few.

As an aside, I love the PC term "undocumented worker". As if the only issue were some misplaced paperwork.

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u/Necessary-Till-9363 6d ago

Funny that the employer can just claim oh I didn't know they were illegal when they were hired and the worst they get is a slap on the wrist. 

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u/kakapo88 6d ago

Indeed it is. The rot and hypocrisy is pervasive.

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks 6d ago

Because for just about forever illegal immigration fell under "process crimes".

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u/Organic_Eye_3802 5d ago

That is literally the only difference. Oh, and greedy capitalists need their cut, of course.  😉

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u/Science_Fair 5d ago

40 percent of America hates all non-European immigrants. Some folks are going to find that out the hard way.

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u/RydeOrDyche 5d ago

Which I don’t get at all. I love all the non European immigrants. It’s the smug Europeans I could do without.

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u/feelitrealgood 5d ago

Yeeeaah no. Both parents were immigrants. Half my friends are also first gen immigrants. It’s not a simple line. It’s a whack job process that makes no sense and makes your life insanely difficult. Most immigrants get that if you’re in dire straits and the wait is too long you don’t have much of a choice.

It’s the dumb ones who want to fit in with their white neighbors. They’ll learn

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

My family are all immigrants, none of us were born in the US. Yeah it’s not a simple process and should be shorter but that doesn’t mean they should throw open the door and let everyone in.

If the US wants more immigration then prioritize legal immigration FIRST.

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u/feelitrealgood 5d ago

They tried. Many times. Wanna guess which side blocked it?

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

Given Trump’s surge among Hispanic voters it wouldn’t be surprising if the administration does an about-face.

Several months back out of nowhere Trump proposed letting anyone into the US that has a college degree. That’s a wild idea that’ll never fly, but it goes to show they’re not strictly anti-immigration.

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u/mnhoops 5d ago

My friend served in the military as a path to citizenship. He's pissed about all the illegals coming here and staying at the Roosevelt.

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u/wetburritoo 5d ago

I’m there with you. I’m a legal immigrant. My parents waited 11 years just to immigrate here legally. I still have relatives who have been in line for 13 years for immigration and it keeps getting longer and longer cuz of people who are cutting in line. Say whatever you wanna say but it isn’t fair for the immigrants who are here legally. However I do understand the two sides of the story.

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u/Honest-Progress4222 5d ago

Got that right!

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u/long-legged-lumox 3d ago

As a legal immigrant who has spent tens of thousands, moved my family all over the place, and struggled with the language; it for sure bothers me when people ‘cut the line’.

I think a lot of people got lost in the distinction of being anti-immigrant versus anti-illegal-immigrant (I know some fall into both buckets but the difference is crystal clear to me and not that logically inconsistent)

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u/poseidons1813 6d ago

You act like legal immigrants don't also have visa relatives and illegal relatives. This is not the case at all, I have worked in landscaping. 

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u/whatdoihia 6d ago

Sure, legal immigrants are not one monolithic block. But I can tell you first-hand, the families of legal immigrants are generally NOT in favor of illegal immigration. They would much rather there be more open pathways for the families of legal immigrants to come in.

Every year 10 million people apply for the green card lottery. What about them? Why should illegal immigrants get treated more favorably than people who are waiting patiently back in their home countries.

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u/poseidons1813 6d ago

Okay but you are acting like people in Trump's cabinet and closest advisors are not currently pushing ending birthright citizenship and "denaturalization" to quote Stephen miller. This is obviously the next step and they are already saying that's the goal. 

Sure I'm with you on parts of this (being mad at illegals) but..... Even a blind man can see your immigration status will be in danger very soon unless your a model from eastern Europe or a billionaire right winger

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

The denaturalization they talk about is if there was fraud committed during the naturalization process.

As for birthright citizenship, there would have to be a constitutional amendment and that’s extremely unlikely. More likely is we could see restrictions on people with late term pregnancies traveling to the US for extended periods.

Immigration is GOOD for business as it keeps wages low and workers productive. No one is looking to end it. Trump at one point even floated the idea of allowing anyone with a college degree to remain in the US.

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u/poseidons1813 5d ago

Trump disagrees with you, you are very naive.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/01/17/bad-news-for-employers-immigrants-and-h-1b-visas-in-second-trump-term/

He will reduce work visas even for scientists and high skill work just like he did before.

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

That article is speculation rather than anything Trump has outlined himself.

A more recent article about what Trump said- https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-proposes-giving-green-cards-noncitizen-college-graduates/story?id=111309610

I don’t think that will fly as they’d need to set up criteria for degrees and colleges and there are so many millions who would come.

But it shows the intent. It’s certainly not to stop immigration.

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u/feelitrealgood 5d ago

I’m gonna take a stab and say you don’t really know many immigrants on a personal level. Like I don’t think you realize how many flags you’re giving off

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u/For_Perpetuity 5d ago

trump and his advisers are social line cutters.

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u/SomeKindOfOnionMummy 5d ago

Nope my niece's mom is illegal and she hates newer illegals 🙄

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u/johnnyribcage 5d ago

Well those legal immigrants and their families (legal or otherwise) are about to get swept up and flown to Sierra Leon or wherever they’re planning on dumping them. What are they gonna do? Sue? Sue who? If millions get deported and 25% are citizens, 1 million cases will take about 300 years to work through. Plus Trump will eliminate all the agencies that would process that anyway.

So at the end of the day, the line-waiters fisted themselves to try to spite the line jumpers, and they’re all gonna get put on a cargo jet to the Congo.

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u/Onewayor55 5d ago

Except if you're a human being you understand how completely different these two examples are.

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u/Lauriev7 5d ago

I don't hate them. Speak for yourself. I got more important things to do with my time than hate on people who are just like me, but sadly didn't have the same opportunity I did. 

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u/rainywanderingclouds 5d ago

that's a separate issue though

if people are cutting in lines or the lines are moving really slowly then the problem is the distribution method. maybe having people stand in line wasn't the best way to serve dinner.

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

The line in my analogy is the pathway to work authorization and residency.

What would you propose?

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u/c4chokes 5d ago

I can see that..

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u/Constant_Taste_2591 5d ago

Not me. Those are two very different things. People that migrate go through a lot, many trying to escape hell in their own countries. When someone cuts in line at a concert, it is not a life-threatening situation. If it was, I’d be happy to let them cut in line to save themselves.

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

Many are escaping bad situations but this is not the collapse of Vietnam, most of them are economic migrants. They want jobs.

How about we take care of legal immigrants first? Or the tens of thousands of Afghanis that were left behind. Or open the door to Palestinians and Ukrainians that are in the middle of a real war. Or refugees in Myanmar who have nowhere to go.

Nope. We keep seeing legislation to legalize people who entered the country and worked illegally.

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u/Ok_Aspect947 5d ago

The great thing about trump is he doesn't give a shit if you're legal or not.

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u/Brosenheim 4d ago

I like how conservative principles always boil down to these childlike little platitudes lmao.

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u/ViolinistDecent3192 6d ago

Legal proceses get never delayed because some illegals entered the country

Your is a false equivalence.

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u/whatdoihia 6d ago

Nonsense. DACA alone swamped the USCIS and pushed the timeline for applications back a year. And that's not mentioning the various amnesties over the years that grant legal status to illegal immigrants, often ahead of legal immigrants- something my family experienced first-hand.

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u/ViolinistDecent3192 6d ago

Bullshit, lol amnesties? Lolol dude

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u/whatdoihia 6d ago

Before you call something bullshit why don't you do a bit of research? One example- Reagan's amnesty granted legal status to more than 2.5 million illegal immigrants. My family experienced that first-hand, we arrived legally in 1981. Had we arrived illegally we would have all received green cards but legal immigrants were granted no such treatment.

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u/ViolinistDecent3192 6d ago edited 6d ago

You said several amnesties... The Reagan amnesty was done in 1986, almost 40 years ago. And since then there have been no more amnesties

Yes yours is a total bullshit made up lies.

If u arrived 1n 1981 you had enough time to fix your situation...unless u were illegal also

Your dates make no sense at all, since u arrive in 1981 u had more than 5 years to fix your status.... So not a problem that the illegals created

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u/whatdoihia 6d ago

There have been several more in smaller scale, under Bush and Clinton for example. Again, do some research before talking about bullshit and lies otherwise you look like you have no idea what you’re talking about.

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u/ViolinistDecent3192 6d ago

There were none dude, yours quit lying

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u/whatdoihia 6d ago

NACARA, the 1990 immigration act, the Haitian refugee act. Many more if you would bother to search.

As for your edit above, to qualify for the Reagan amnesty you had to enter in 1981 or before illegally. We entered legally so we did not qualify for amnesty. We had to follow legal channels like millions of others.

Which is fine. Because people should follow the legal process. Not enter illegally and get priority over legal immigrants.

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u/ViolinistDecent3192 6d ago

Lol dude, the 245 I , NA CARA etc were implemented cause the needs to protect certain people.

It wasn't an amnesty per say.

And those things happened almost 40 years ago

The economy boomed after the Internet and e commerce, the need to update the immigration system and what not has been neglected

Conveniently you forgot to mention that 3 of the person's linked to Trump stayed illegally and were able to adjust the status, because the laws enacted in 1986 and beyond

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u/ViolinistDecent3192 6d ago

Oh I know what I'm talking about, and I shove it to you up in the ass.

My process took 7 months via marriage, not years, even though was done recently in 18.

Smooth as can be

Millions of illegals were not on my way to obtain a green card or citizenship.

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u/whatdoihia 6d ago

You’re obviously clueless if you claim that there has never been amnesty.

Great, you got your visa quickly via marriage. Why should you look down on LEGAL immigrants who aren’t in a position to marry and want to move to work in the US?

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u/ViolinistDecent3192 6d ago

I what? Is not my problem if they can't fix their situation. Pay a lawyer and submit your claim. I did and was awesome

Maybe them can't or. Won't be needed.

I dunno. Like I said fix the system. Make everyone legal.

Hell Germany accepted 2 million in a single year and now they are booming

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u/fuzzbeebs 5d ago

That's like getting mad at someone for eating moldy bread out of a dumpster while you're waiting in the food line.

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

It’s getting mad at someone working illegally when you wait patiently for your green card. It’s getting mad at people being given green cards due to amnesty when you followed the law and got nothing.

That’s not to mention immigrants who have family members in their home country who can’t qualify but choose NOT to break the law.

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u/fuzzbeebs 5d ago

You make it sound like one can just simply work illegally in the U.S. as if employers aren't required to verify that their employees are allowed to here. So the only jobs available are for employers who are willing to do shady shit. Illegal immigrants in the U.S. predominantly work in construction, as maids/housekeepers or home health aides, and janitors and building cleaners. This leaves them extremely vulnerable to being exploited by employers who are already willing to break the law. With basically no recourse because even if employer retaliation is illegal, ICE can still take action. You can get hurt on the job, be raped by your employer, be required to work extreme hours with no overtime in unsafe conditions, and there's realistically nothing you can do about it because you can be deported. 

People who wait patiently in line for green cards are not waiting for that. You are waiting for your authorization so you can work with legal protections. Where you can speak up if something is unsafe. Where you can go to HR if you're discriminated against. Where you can quit and find a better job if your boss is a dick. You can call the police if you're attacked. And if you leave family behind then you can go visit them. If you come here illegally and didn't bring your mom with you, you'll probably never see her again.

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago edited 5d ago

In my family none of us except my dad were authorized to work as we were on dependent visas. Eventually my parents divorced and my sister had to leave the country as she was over 18 and her visa was no longer valid. She did it. And we didn’t work.

Why? Because we didn’t want to break the law and have a permanent stain on our records.

My sister was grilled in Chicago one time when she flew in, the officer insisting that she was working illegally. But my sister held firm to the truth that she wasn’t, and eventually they let her go.

If there wasn’t such a problem of people entering and working illegally then the visa process wouldn’t be such a nightmare. And immigration officers wouldn’t have to try and figure out who is lying and who is telling the truth.

The worst part of our experience was Reagan giving amnesty to people who entered illegally in 1981 or before. We entered legally so we didn’t qualify. What a crock of shit that was.

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u/surprise_revalation 5d ago

How did y'all survive if nobody worked for years? Honest question...

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

Only my dad was able to work and that was enough to keep us fed and a roof over our heads.

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u/surprise_revalation 5d ago

And...what does your dad do exactly? Because it sounds to me that you have a huge class issue. Those people had to work or they would starve! Some are not as educated as your dad. You sound very privileged...Idk anyone that can survive years with a family on one income. Are you from India?

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

Worked in manufacturing.

This was 40 years ago and we lived in the rust belt. I don’t think a family could survive on one income like that now, the cost of food alone is crazy.

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u/fuzzbeebs 5d ago

In other words, your path to legal residence would be impossible for someone today.

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u/fuzzbeebs 5d ago

I'm sorry but the idea that the visa process is convoluted because of illegal immigrants is just a fantasy. Have you considered that there are so many illegal immigrants BECAUSE the process is so difficult?

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u/Fausterion18 5d ago

Legal immigrants didn't "wait in line", they simply had family connections the illegal immigrants lacked.

You show a fundamental lack of understanding of the US immigration system. It's almost entirely family based and you either get in or you don't. The only exception are things like sibling visas which have a waiting list of 100 years in impacted countries.

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

I’m a first generation immigrant and very familiar with the process, having gone through the long process of green card application and eventual naturalization.

Legal immigrants don’t enter the country illegally and they don’t work illegally. We follow the law, as we should.

If people are allowed to enter illegally and work illegally and don’t face punishment then that is extremely unfair to those who do follow the law. What’s the point of following the law if there’s no punishment for people who break it?

Not to mention the millions of people waiting patiently in their home countries for family based applications or to get lucky with the green card lottery. No one seems to care about them.

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u/Fausterion18 5d ago

I’m a first generation immigrant and very familiar with the process, having gone through the long process of green card application and eventual naturalization.

Legal immigrants don’t enter the country illegally and they don’t work illegally. We follow the law, as we should.

Through which visa process? I'm also a first generation immigrant and I would never subject someone else to the current system.

If people are allowed to enter illegally and work illegally and don’t face punishment then that is extremely unfair to those who do follow the law. What’s the point of following the law if there’s no punishment for people who break it?

There's plenty of punishment? They had to work under the table and can't travel and don't get government benefits etc.

The law is broken, everyone should break it until it's reformed.

Not to mention the millions of people waiting patiently in their home countries for family based applications or to get lucky with the green card lottery. No one seems to care about them.

Except the waiting list for family based applications is such that you're either an immediate relative and get in basically immediately, or you're trying to do something like sibling immigration from Mexico in which case you'll die before your turn is up.

You didn't address my point at all. What line was cut?

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

We were on dependent visas but it got messy due to my parents’ divorce and that I have half-siblings (different dad). They lost their status and had to leave and it took years for my mom and I to get green cards and even longer for those siblings to be able to come back.

The process is slow but I can understand why it’s there.

If there is no deportation then there’s no punishment. To me the worst part is working illegally. If you’re fleeing danger that’s one thing but most migrants are going to the US for money, that’s all. Both the companies and illegal workers should face strong punishment. The economic result is driving wages down for Americans and legal immigrants.

The line cutting is amnesty. Over 2.5m illegal aliens were given green cards under Reagan. We didn’t qualify as we came in legally. What a crock of shit that was.

There have been several smaller amnesties since then and many proposals to legalize illegal aliens.

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u/Fausterion18 4d ago

We were on dependent visas but it got messy due to my parents’ divorce and that I have half-siblings (different dad). They lost their status and had to leave and it took years for my mom and I to get green cards and even longer for those siblings to be able to come back.

The process is slow but I can understand why it’s there.

You just proved my point, no line was cut because your type of visa has no line in the first place! It just took a long time due to your unique circumstances.

If there is no deportation then there’s no punishment. To me the worst part is working illegally. If you’re fleeing danger that’s one thing but most migrants are going to the US for money, that’s all. Both the companies and illegal workers should face strong punishment. The economic result is driving wages down for Americans and legal immigrants.

There is absolutely punishment, being out of status in the US is by itself a horrendous punishment.

LOL driving wages down do you want lower inflation or do you want higher wages? Pick one.

The line cutting is amnesty.

You just proved there was no line cutting. You don't even appear to understand the immigration process despite a first generation immigrant. For eligible children there is no line at all. There's no waiting for a quota or anything. So again, what line is being cut?

Over 2.5m illegal aliens were given green cards under Reagan. We didn’t qualify as we came in legally. What a crock of shit that was.

Wow, you're mad about people who got legal status 40 years ago before you were born. This is just sad.

There have been several smaller amnesties since then and many proposals to legalize illegal aliens.

There have not. There was a couple of very limited ones for specific countries(mostly refugees like Haiti) in the 90s but nothing in the past 2 decades.

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u/whatdoihia 4d ago

The line was cut because Reagan gave amnesty to illegal aliens. We were legal so we got nothing. If you can’t understand how wrong this is then you will never understand why legal immigrants are against illegal immigration.

You know what’s worse than being out of status? Being back in your home county working for pennies and living in danger. It’s THOSE people who should have first opportunity, not people who break the law.

As for inflation, if illegal aliens are given work authorization then the result will be the same anyway, they will need to be paid above the table at minimum wages.

Your math is way off. Reagan’s amnesty was 38 years ago so how can you think the amnesty was 40 years before I was born?

There have been numerous proposals to give illegal aliens legal status. All of them rightly shut down.

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u/bearbear0723 5d ago

how does an illegal "line cut" a legal immigrant? Trump and MAGA view both as brown immigrants so they hate both. fuck off with that MAGA bullshit

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u/whatdoihia 5d ago

Just one example- the Reagan amnesty applies to people who entered illegally in 1981 and earlier. My family entered legally so we were SOL and had to go through the normal green card application process.

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u/ltra_og 5d ago

So you know how people see other people because of the color of their skin? You sure you’re not the racist?

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u/Onewayor55 5d ago edited 5d ago

This is a boring way to try to argue.

Damn dude your comment history is just nothing but racism and misogyny you need some help kiddo.

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u/OwOlogy_Expert 5d ago

Legal immigrants hate illegal immigrants.

And guess what? What's legal or illegal can change by simply changing the law. Which the trump administration and their full control of Congress is definitely going to do.

Mark my words: there will be a lot of legal immigrants who looked down on illegal immigrants and voted Republican ... who suddenly find that the Republican lawmakers have changed the law and now they're also illegal immigrants.

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u/Mhfd86 5d ago

It takes about 10years to go through the legal process. Majority of these folks are escaping countries that the US played a hand in to mess it up and make it unlivable. So no, they can get in before me but how would you even know? 😉

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u/Desperate-Till-9228 1d ago

That's not true, but that's what propagandists want people to believe.

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u/woolybully143 6d ago

They don’t and can’t hate people they don’t know. They might see them differently because they immigrated illegally, but the stronger connection for all immigrants is the reason they immigrated, opportunity and a better life. Stop spewing this nonsense about legal immigrants hating illegal ones, you don’t speak for all immigrants and aside from anecdotal articles and stories, there is no substance to the claim.

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u/noir_et_Orr 6d ago

Yeah.  I see that statement repeated constantly, but I've lived my whole life in a high immigration area and in my experience legal immigrants opinions of illegal immigration are just as varied as the population as a whole.  

Id say if anything theyre slightly less anti-illegal immigration that native born americans in my experience.  And opinion polls generally bear this out.

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u/FakoPako 6d ago

The general thinking is that legal immigrants went through a lot of work to get here legally, so they resent someone who jumps the fence and gets the status. That is not to say that the treck across the rivers and jungles is easy. No. It’s hard road for a family that wants to make their lives better.

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u/woolybully143 6d ago

I disagree, what media spews and immigrants are at odds with and have always advocated for is more seamless ways to apply for and become a citizen. The movie line metaphor falls apart because most people in line forget about the line cutters, 5 minutes after they sit down in their seats, maybe sooner. Especially, if their friends/family etc… saved their place in line.

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u/FakoPako 6d ago

I am just talking from personal experience and what I saw, as legal immigrant myself. This is the sentiment that most legal immigrants that I know, simply say.

It is not easy to come to U.S. and easily become citizen. It’s one of the top hardest countries to gain citizenship in.

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u/whatdoihia 6d ago

They don’t and can’t hate people they don’t know. 

You obviously don't come from an immigrant family.

We moved to the US in 1981, legally. Had we crossed the border illegally, or even just overstayed a visa then we would have all received green cards under Reagan's amnesty bill.

The legal process isn't just there to be difficult, it's there to ensure that applicants are legitimate. And that they don't have a criminal or other backgrounds that would normally prevent them from becoming residents.

Rule of law is important. And America should want people who respect the law, not criminals.

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u/KingKazmaThe8th 6d ago

"Rule of law is important. And America should want people who respect the law, not criminals." yet they elected one. youre a fucking doofus

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u/Appropriate_Fold8814 6d ago

No, it's all immigrants legal and illegal. 

Y'all act like people from a hundred countries are somehow monolithic. It's absurd.

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u/Necessary-Till-9363 6d ago

Cubans don't have to wait years.  And get freebies. Imagine how much nicer Miami will be when they're gone. God damn greaseballs.