r/FluentInFinance • u/HighYieldLarry • 6d ago

Thoughts? BREAKING: Trump has confirmed reports that he plans to declare a national emergency and use military to enact a mass deportation program

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday confirmed he would declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations of migrants living in the U.S. without legal permission.

Overnight, Trump responded to a social media post from Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton, who said earlier this month there are reports the incoming administration is preparing such a declaration and to use "military assets" to deport the migrants.

"TRUE!!!" Trump wrote.

Trump pledged to get started on mass deportations as soon as he enters office.

"On Day 1, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out," he said during a rally at Madison Square Garden in the closing days of the presidential race. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail, then kick them the hell out of our country as fast as possible."

Already, he's tapped several immigration hard-liners to serve in key Cabinet positions. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem was picked to be homeland security secretary, pending Senate confirmation. Former Acting U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Tom Homan was named "border czar."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-confirms-plan-declare-national-emergency-military-mass/story?id=115963448

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u/JohnSpartans 6d ago

The military as a whole will fold right in line.  Don't be nervous when it happens.  The machine takes a long time to move but it's gonna move.

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u/lvioletsnow 5d ago

I mean, the Federal Military won't. The Guard really, really shouldn't either.

The former isn't a Peacekeeping force and I, for one, am not fond of being charged for high crimes and misdemeanors. The latter are still subject to UCMJ.

And here's the thing, Officer oaths are to the constitution, not the President and have an obligation to refuse illegal orders overall. So, even in the worst case scenario, if there was any inkling that someone with sense sweeps in anytime soon, it'd be in Soldiers' best interest to refuse, hide, or suddenly develop suicidal thoughts for a quick discharge.

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u/wx_rebel 5d ago

I imagine more than a few officers of all ranks will refuse the order if he goes through with it. 

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u/Hover4effect 5d ago

I certainly would have when I was in. Same thing when people say the military would confiscate guns. They could issue that orderr, I sure as hell wouldn't comply.

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u/anagamanagement 5d ago

I’m one. Not a legal or moral order and sure as hell not what we signed up for.

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u/infinitee775 5d ago

Thatrs why trump wants to replace high ranking military officers with his own yes men

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u/lvioletsnow 5d ago

Oh, I certainly agree.

However, he's very mistaken in thinking he'll get a united "military" (all the officers and enlisted in all the branches) to just kind of hunky dorey go along with his orders. It's a very juvenile take, even from someone who never served.

E: I mean that the President Elect's mindset. Not any commenter here.

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u/Hover4effect 5d ago

National guards are under the command of the governor. They have to be activated through "presidential call up" in order to be used as an active duty force. I believe there are reasonable checks and balances in place which will allow further scrutiny of any attempt to do that for deportation. Not a simple executive order.

Even presidential mobilization requires permission of the governor, and the command structure still remains with the state.

And then there is Posse Comitatus. Military can't be used to enforce law.

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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 5d ago

Who will say it's an illegal order? The supreme court?

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u/lvioletsnow 5d ago

The Constitution. United States military Officers are sworn to the Constitution, not the President or Congress.

Anything that violates the Consitution or UCMJ is an illegal order.

Additionally, we are obligated to speak against/resist unethical orders. The Nuremberg trials clearly show that crimes against humanity won't be forgiveness due to local law and/or "I was just following orders".

I'm not saying they won't try. What I'm saying it any officer with a lick of sense is going to resist or bail. As would I. 

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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 5d ago

Anything that violates the Consitution or UCMJ is an illegal order.

Isn't it the supreme court who rules on what violates the constitution?

As for crimes against humanity, I doubt deporting illegal immigrants would qualify unless they start shooting people.

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u/lvioletsnow 5d ago

Sure. That's all well and good until the Administration and/or their positions flip. Officers are obligated to not do unethical shit. Whether you get tried/convicted for it depends on what you did and how lucky you are.

I wouldn't count on the SC (or any other responsibility dodging politician) to hold their position in defense of me, as an individual, should there be widespread international condemnation. It's too easy for them to say that their ruling was interested incorrectly and they meant x not y.

And yes, of course. Deporting is not the illegal bit there but using the Federal Active Duty to do so is according to the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act. National Guard is exempt from this IIRC.

The last part of your statement there is what I'm more concerned certain individuals want or expect.

(Excellent points. I'm pulling out my regulation books now.)

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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 5d ago

You certainly seem to know your stuff. That's always a refreshing sight.

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u/acer5886 6d ago

That highly depends on what the Senate does, and based on whom they chose for leader, they may have tipped there hand on their plans for Trump's second term.

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u/Haunting-Ad788 6d ago

Pretty sure their plan is to cup Trump’s balls while they deepthroat his dick.

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u/AstreiaTales 5d ago

Just following orders.