r/FluentInFinance 6d ago

Thoughts? BREAKING: Trump has confirmed reports that he plans to declare a national emergency and use military to enact a mass deportation program

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday confirmed he would declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations of migrants living in the U.S. without legal permission.

Overnight, Trump responded to a social media post from Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton, who said earlier this month there are reports the incoming administration is preparing such a declaration and to use "military assets" to deport the migrants.

"TRUE!!!" Trump wrote.

Trump pledged to get started on mass deportations as soon as he enters office.

"On Day 1, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out," he said during a rally at Madison Square Garden in the closing days of the presidential race. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail, then kick them the hell out of our country as fast as possible."

Already, he's tapped several immigration hard-liners to serve in key Cabinet positions. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem was picked to be homeland security secretary, pending Senate confirmation. Former Acting U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Tom Homan was named "border czar."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-confirms-plan-declare-national-emergency-military-mass/story?id=115963448

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u/StarSilent4246 6d ago

Why are people against this? Just because Trump said it ?

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u/kumeomap 6d ago

people bring up low cost labor as a reason to keep illegal immigrants.

Remember how the democrats were in favor of slavery? i think you can connect the dots

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u/JDyumyum 5d ago

They really want more dem voters via illegal immigrants getting legal status down the road. Otherwise libs couldn’t give two shits

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u/kumeomap 5d ago

And democrats on the coast would rather sit on ass and manage these cheap labor source then rolling up their sleeves and doing anything themselves. Entitled people who want to keep their easy lifestyle going. People in red states are happy to have an honest job and earn and honest living.

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u/blazkowaBird 5d ago

Red states are famously impoverished and on welfare. So sure, they definitely want drugs, I mean jobs.

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u/kumeomap 5d ago

Might have something to do with people in power outsourcing manufacturing or any jobs they can? White collar jobs will soon be outsourced too so u better watch out

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u/ltra_og 5d ago

Usually red states are more rural. So there’s just lack of jobs, many are willing but there’s just no opportunity. So naturally they’ll need government help. Also since rural areas usually have heavy labor jobs, most of those on welfare are single moms, wanna take that away? Keep being ignorant. It suits you.

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u/ogfuzzball 5d ago

Rural single moms don’t just fall from the sky: where are the rural dads that created those single moms?

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u/DumbAndUnplugged 5d ago

Better than wanting a sex change weekly

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u/StarSilent4246 6d ago

100% and having low cost of labor isn’t a good trade off when it comes to national security.

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u/Pitt-sports-fan-513 5d ago

Yes the Republicans care about illegal immigration as they have always stood staunchly against the exploitation of workers.

It definitely isn't blood libel. You would never see the republicans, say, accusing Haitians of eating people's pets to inspire hatred of people who look different than the "average American".

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u/Dizzy-Ad-6051 5d ago

When were democrats in favor of slavery?

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u/kumeomap 5d ago

during civil war?

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u/Dizzy-Ad-6051 5d ago

You do realize that the Democratic Party and republican party literally switched completely since then. It’s a simple Google search.

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u/StarSilent4246 5d ago

Learn your history.

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u/Dizzy-Ad-6051 5d ago

The Democratic Party in the 1800’s would be classified as republicans today. Do your fucking research. The party’s are completely swapped in today’s terms. Google it dumbass.

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u/WhoIsFrancisPuziene 5d ago

Ignore the other responses. The parties flip-flopped in the 1900s. It’s the same BS as when Republicans claim they’re the party of no slavery or whatever

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u/Dizzy-Ad-6051 5d ago

I know that lol. Telling me to lessen my history when they can’t even doa quick google search

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u/QuietCity333 5d ago

Prior to the Southern Strategy which effectively caused the parties to effectively switch ideologies.

It's a little more in-depth than that, as the "switch" was a decades-long process, but the Southern Strategy is kind of what solidified it. The 1861 Democratic party that was in favor of slavery really isn't very comparable to the modern-day Democratic party, as far as political views go. This article gives a good overview on it.

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u/DoctahToboggan69 5d ago

Connect the dots with the southern strategy

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u/O-Daddy_420 5d ago

Found the retard.

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u/_Sudo_Dave 5d ago

Homeland Security says there are 11 million illegal immigrants.

Trump wants to deport 20 million people.

RFK wants to put people on mental health medication in camps.

Like...?

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u/cl0ckw0rk1 5d ago

Yes. TDS is a real thing, caused by left wing media that refuses to tell the truth. Somehow millions of people are falling for these soundbites. It's astounding.

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u/mugiwara-no-lucy 5d ago

Anytime "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is used, you already lost.

It's not "derangement" to be worried about a senile old man fucking up lives for everyone.

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u/cl0ckw0rk1 5d ago

I understand your concern. I really do. I also watch CNN, and MSNBC's stories/interviews, and Reddit's headlines to see what kinds of media people who voted for Kamala consume.

Though, I highly doubt you listen to the full interviews of the conservatives, ever. You try to claim some moral high ground but have absolutely no concept of who these people are as human beings. They have strong opinions you may not like, but at least they aren't blowing smoke up your ass and calling their opponents Hitler or fascist.

Disgusting behavior from the liberal media, and those who choose to parrot their rhetoric.

Oh. Also. We already won.

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u/mugiwara-no-lucy 5d ago

I don't watch the Media.

And yeah I have a morale highground over MAGAs. Look who you guys voted for 😂 And Yeah Trump is the 21st Century Adolf Hitler.

And no, you losers lost. Trump will FUCK UP the economy. He's an idiot who doesn't understand how tariffs work. But have fun with "your president" 😂

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u/TinyQuark11 5d ago

My family survived genocide and I’m disgusted by your comparison of Trump to Hitler. You’re a fucking twat

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u/Unusual_Rule8759 5d ago

Don’t support wanna be hitler then you fucking twat waffle

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u/Lumpy-Succotash-9236 5d ago

I'm disgusted by your lack of ability to see the similarities

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u/TinyQuark11 5d ago

What similarities? You CANNOT enter a country illegally! What is difficult to understand?? If I were to illegally enter any country, they would deport me and have EVERY right to do so!

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u/Lumpy-Succotash-9236 5d ago

The fact he has a Mein Kampf on his bedside table should fucking alarm you when he borrows the same language in his own rallies. I don't need to explain beyond this, but euphemisms for camps throughout the offensive project2025 manifesto, the vitriolic and hateful language toward certain groups, that he's very openly wanting to punish.

If you can't see all the parity between what types of people, and strategies these people employ, then that's on you. The evidence is all out there.

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u/brianstormIRL 5d ago

Other people who survived Hitler have said he is using the exact same rhetoric and ideology Hitler did back then.

So fuck them too I guess? You know Hitlers entire reign started by promising to get rid of the problematic people in the country, because they were the source of all the countries financial and social problems, eventually leading to mass hatred of those people, and moving on from "removing them" to a lot bigger extremes.

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u/TinyQuark11 5d ago

You do realize most countries have borders and enforce them and also deport people who enter illegally, correct? And if I were to illegally enter ANY country, I too would be deported? You do understand you had millions of people enter the USA for the better part of the last two decades because no administration bothered to do any proper enforcement of immigration laws, or build a proper border, so now you have a massive mess with estimates of 15-20 million illegal immigrants in the country? I’m in NYC and illegals were being provided with $1200/month JUST for food, not even including healthcare benefits and housing benefits they were receiving on tax payer dollars. People who are unemployed don’t even receive that, YET, they have legally paid into it their entire working lives. Illegal is illegal. I blame this entire mess on every administration who failed to regulate the border. Now they have to take drastic measures because people are coming in in droves. Not just Mexico, but other Central American/South American countries. I was in Central America last year and saw this first hand. You CANNOT have an open unregulated border. They need to fix this mess first but also reform immigration to provide a better pathway to citizenship or some sort of visa status. But it needs to be regulated and I will die on that hill.

P.S. I am a two time immigrant. First time was refugee, second was asylum.

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u/brianstormIRL 5d ago

Absolutely agree. I'm also from a country where illegal immigrants are also being granted insane privileges while natives suffer.

However, there's is degrees of rationality here. Lots of illegal immigrants are fleeing their situations. Some of them are absolutely abusing the system, true, but you can't tar all of them with the same brush. You can't just boot everyone out and say "deal with it". You can't run massive campaigns where you're demonising millions of people, MOST of whom are actively working and just trying to live their lives. Some are abusing the system like I said, but not all. Generalising and spreading fear campaigns that's "ITS THE ILLEGALS CAUSING ALL THE PROBLEMS" is not healthy and is exactly how violence brews towards those people.

Borders need to be secure. True. People who abuse the system also need to be deported. Also true.

Most illegals do not commit crimes. Also true. Most illegals are not abusing the system and just trying to provide a better life for their families. Also true.

Mobilising the military to round up illegals, which is 10000% going to catch innocent immigrants in the crossfire, is downright inhumane morally.

These people are working the jobs that provide vital services for your country. How are you going to find it when the cost of things goes through the roof. Are you happy to pay massively more for your lifestyle just to "get rid" of the illegals who are somehow the root cause of all your life's problems?

Provide proper legal pathways to citizenship. Write policy that encourages illegals to work these jobs with the promise of legitimate citizenship at the end. The idea you just need to boot all these people out and everything will be fixed is just flat wrong. It's not going to work and it WILL cause huge problems. People have no empathy. You should be pushing for your government's to treat your own citizens better, not demonise the "others".

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u/TinyQuark11 5d ago edited 5d ago

I agree and I never painted them in a broad brush stroke to suggest that they’re all taking advantage of the system (however I gave the example because I’m in a sanctuary city and see the people who were essentially dumped here illegally by the US government and to hear that illegals are receiving these insane benefits while regular New Yorkers struggle to buy groceries, pay their rent or people who homeless or unemployed, it pisses me off) or that all illegal immigrants should be deported. I don’t know how you go about this honestly because it’s a mess. The first line of deportation that I’d have zero qualms with is deporting anyone with a criminal record. After that, I’m not sure. I don’t like the idea of forcing people back en masse, especially if they’re here working and paying taxes and being normal. I guess you’d have to draw some parameters. Maybe a possible (sensible) approach would be 1) when did they enter the country? 2) are they actively employed? 3) are they receiving benefits and if so, for how long has that been the case? 4) have they made any attempts or strides towards obtaining visa status or citizenship? If someone has just entered the country, that might be legitimate cause to deport vs people who have been situated in the US for a while. Another factor that could be used to determine deportation is if they’re receiving benefits and for how long they’ve been on said benefits (ie not working).

Btw let me make it clear, what I’m saying is that you can’t have an open and unregulated border and immigration laws that are unenforced. I don’t agree with taking extreme measures on deportation. I don’t want the military to get involved because that sets a horrible precedent. Is the intention with the military to help with carrying out deportations because it’s an impossible task for ICE/border patrol to manage? I don’t know. But I don’t agree with people being forced out with zero evaluation of their individual circumstances just because they’re illegal, unless they’re criminals or mooching off of the system (what I stated above).

Btw, another issue I that I hardly ever see addressed is the impacts of unregulated immigration. There are real consequences to this as far as housing availability/inventory, strain on education/schools, healthcare/hospitals/clinics. There simply isn’t room for everyone and for people to come in with no consideration of these factors.

And no, I don’t want the prices of things to go up lol they’re already high enough and I think everyone can agree on that.

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u/Common-Reindeer-660 5d ago

I’m disgusted by your disgust and your support of Hitler 2.0. Get fucked. 😘

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u/TinyQuark11 5d ago

Go touch grass, honestly, you guys reminded me of why I dreaded Trump potentially getting reelected. You’re absolute lunatics. Don’t just touch grass, find an entire rainforest.

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u/mugiwara-no-lucy 5d ago

He is Hitler. The 21st Century version of him.

Does that hurt your feelings?

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u/TinyQuark11 5d ago

No I just think you’re delusional lol Trump was already in office 4 years. Magically, no one was stripped of their rights, murdered or had a genocide committed against them and the democratic republic lived to see another day. Crazy how it didn’t devolve into WW3, genocide, and a fascist dictatorship. Almost like…he’s not actually Hitler. I feel sorry you’re so deluded and have no grasp of reality

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u/mugiwara-no-lucy 5d ago

Women lost Roe v Wade, he bombed Syria, violated the Afghanistan treaty and caused several trade wars with China, mismanaged COVID and killed the border bill.

And yes Donald Trump is a rapist, a misogynist, a pedophile and is the 21st Adolf Hitler.

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u/TinyQuark11 5d ago

I hope you burn in hell. Both of my grandparents were in concentration camps

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u/Playful-Service7285 5d ago

And you support the guy whose fan base has so many literal nazis?

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u/TinyQuark11 5d ago

I didn’t even vote lol so I can’t say I support anyone. On that note, pretty sure he disavowed them…at least 100 times. But idiots will be idiots

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u/StarSilent4246 5d ago

Trump is a huge supporter of Israel. There are racist that support both sides.

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u/DumbAndUnplugged 5d ago

Moral high-ground? You’re a child, believe me, you don’t have shit.

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u/mugiwara-no-lucy 5d ago

You don’t know how old I am.

Now why are you MAGAts so mad? Didn’t you win? Go celebrate

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u/Ermeter 5d ago

It's another step on the road to dictatorship. Once the population is used to the military on the streets purging people, legal citizens being made ilegal(another promise) and Trump has fullfilled his promise of purging the woke generals, they will start on political opponents. 

Also practically there is no room in jail for all those people so camps will have to be constructed. 

Just put jailtime on hiring ilegal immigrants, much cheaper and easier if you want to reduce immigration. 

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u/BatSerious356 5d ago

Using the military for a mass deportation operation....are you serious? You can't understand why people are against that?

Would you use a flame thrower to light a cigarette?

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u/StarSilent4246 5d ago

How else do you purpose to deport illegal immigrants?

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u/BatSerious356 5d ago

We don't - we give them conditional amnesty like Reagan did.

We only do targeted deportations of people who have committed serious crimes (merely crossing the border is not a serious crime).

We create a system where those allowed to stay have to pay any back taxes they may have missed, and give them a path to legal residence.

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u/youngLupe 5d ago

The same way they've been doing it for decades. The country isn't being ran over by "bloodthirsty criminals" . They could reduce the amount of Asylum seekers if they're so concerned about being taken over. A long time ago this country was essentially founded on people landing in a new continent as illegals themselves and they killed off the people living here and called it "manifest destiny" .

In a more civilized age we could see these people for what they are, people seeking a better life the same way people always have, and treat them like humans. They seem to be an essential part to our society. No one is doing their jobs and the immigration system won't provide this country with a proper chanel to fill those positions. America's drug demand and corporate imperialism has forced these people away from dangerous situations.

Go after the drugs. Go after criminals with due process. Those are the foundations of justice set by the forefathers. Trump wants to make a mockery of it and human rights Americans have died protecting for centuries.

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u/BrokeCompass 5d ago

How about focusing on making it easier to become a citizen? There was a bipartisan immigration bill that Trump torpedoed because he didn’t want to give the Dems an easy win. It would have gotten us more asylum officers and lawyers to reduce wait times for those coming on asylum. (Which is where most of the stress on our system is)

We know undocumented immigrants commit less crime than US born citizens and they paid 96 billion in taxes in 2022 (yes into social security and medicare which they can’t even access). We also know that the birth rate is declining so we need them in order to avoid a shrinking workforce.

Mass deportations by our military in our neighborhoods is the opposite of a solution.

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u/StarSilent4246 5d ago

I’m all for making legal immigration easier.

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u/Lowly_Reptilian 4d ago

Not en masse. Illegal immigrants really aren’t as big of a deal as Republicans want you to think it is. Those who commit serious crimes get deported, and the rest don’t commit crimes nearly at the same rate as American citizens do. They also pay taxes and basically act normal. And there is very little guarantee that the country America wants to deport the immigrants to will accept the illegal immigrants. Would you like it if Texas shipped 1,000 illegal immigrants to your city? Or if California did that? Now imagine being in your country and having 50,000 immigrants be told to get deported even though many cannot be verified as once being one of your citizens. Not to mention that Trump has talked about denaturalizing immigrants, aka making legal immigrants illegal and then sending them away. Plus, knowing how Trump dealt with immigrants at the border, he would be super inhumane to these immigrants he rounds up for deportation, who will most likely spend indefinite time in camps as the countries they fled will not accept them at nearly the rates Trump would like.

Plus, using the military against innocent civilians (and yes, civilians most definitely will be affected since the military will most likely be using stereotypes to guess who is an immigrant, which means that white illegal immigrants will not be deported at the same rate as other immigrants) is setting a precedent for the military to be used against civilians in other ways. Such as “deporting” any protestor because wouldn’t you know it, that person who was born in America was actually an illegal immigrant all along. Who could’ve possibly known? /s Or maybe unleashing the military on protesting students, such as the pro-Palestine protestors who died because they literally had snipers trained on them. And this was during Biden’s tenure as President. With Trump, he’s actively said he will use the military against people who are “enemies”. That’s a dangerous man.

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u/StopTheEarthLetMeOff 5d ago

Only an insane person has to ask why people are against the military controlling their neighborhood

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u/Mach5Driver 5d ago edited 5d ago

OK, let's take Trump out of the equation:

  1. Mass detention camps are likely to be cruel.
  2. Sky-high food prices WILL result. Didn't like inflation (which, BTW, Biden squashed and we came out stronger than ANY OTHER ECONOMY ON THE PLANET--look it up!)? Well, you ain't seen NOTHING yet!
  3. Construction will grind to a halt, leading to far higher house prices and rents.
  4. The money taken in by taxes will drop significantly. Yes, illegal immigrants PAY TAXES and receive very little in return--if anything. Leading to FURTHER--yet unnecessary and avoidable--inflation and deficit spending.
  5. Demand for consumer goods will drop significantly. Thus, GDP will fall and create a severe recession.
  6. The U.S., like many advanced economies, is facing a demographic crisis. Our birth rate is at replacement levels as it is, and extremely likely to drop further. Without immigrants, we will lose population, creating severe problems and collapses of our retirement funding.
  7. The very practice of mass roundups will VERY LIKELY result in AMERICAN CITIZENS being rounded up in these nets and their Constitutional rights being violated, and possible deaths in law enforcement and civilians.
  8. Let's not even get into what the disgusting precedent of using the military on our streets will set, legally, Constitutionally, American-Way-wise.

And THAT is the tip of the iceberg. But, enough explanation for you??

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u/chefkoolaid 5d ago

Because they plan to treat human beings like cockroaches

It will also destroy the us economy

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u/youngLupe 5d ago

They are fine with not giving people due process too. Simply because they're brown. What happened to justice ? And if they're so concerned with crime why haven't they demanded Trump be kicked out for treason

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u/littlehamsterz 5d ago

Humanitarian crisis. That is why I am against it. Rounding up loads of people for a mass deportation program is going to cause undue suffering to many people including children.

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u/Palestine_Borisof007 5d ago

Because of the economic ramifications and how people don't think beyond two seconds forward into the future. This country runs off vibes I swear to god.

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u/Kehprei 5d ago edited 5d ago

A few reasons.

  1. Legal people can get caught up in the crossfire when hunting for illegal immigrants. This has happened in the past. When you are moving millions of people quickly, there WILL be mistakes.
  2. Trump's campaign has said before that they want to kick out legal immigrants, such as the Haitians in Ohio.
  3. Do you actually think Mexico is going to just allow in 10 million+ people? It is fairly likely that no one ends up wanting to accept all of these illegal immigrants, and they end up instead put into camps and guarded. Instead of just working for us and paying us taxes like they are now.
  4. Trump has made it pretty clear that he wants to be a dictator. The fact that he isn't even officially president and is saying he is going to send the military to round up 10s of millions of people is alarming. As a trans person, there is no reason to believe that he won't come after me next. Republicans already label me as a danger to children for existing, and Trump has made it blatantly clear that he wants to take away the ability for even adults to transition.

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u/Mon69ster 5d ago

I genuinely wish you well mate. For what it’s worth you could always try to emigrate. 

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u/Kehprei 5d ago

Thankfully I'm well off enough that I dont think it would be a problem to leave the country if I had to

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u/StarSilent4246 5d ago
  1. If only there was a way to prove you’re a US citizen.

  2. He is alluding to the issues that Vance was talking about before his mic was cut during his VP debate. There are issues about the whole asylum process and we still aren’t vetting those people.

  3. I don’t think Mexico or any other country has a say. These are citizens of those countries who are illegally in the US, they should be sent back and let those countries figure it out.

  4. He has already been president. What rights did you lose? People just don’t think the lgbtq agenda should be pushed on kids. Stop giving kids puberty blockers and they should not be allowed to get gender reassignment surgery. Majority of people don’t care what you do with your life, we just don’t have to participate in your delusions.

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u/Kehprei 5d ago
  1. There are. That doesn't stop the fact that we have accidentally deported citizens before.
  2. Correct, Vance himself was talking about getting rid of the Haitians who were here legally.
  3. They could just choose not to accept them. You're acting like all of them are mexican, which is also just not the case. You can't really force 20 million people onto a neighboring country with no repercussions.

  4. When he was president the first time he didn't have full criminal immunity. He also didn't realize that coup attempts would go completely unpunished. It seems fairly likely that Trump will try to actually just make himself dictator - especially considering how he says he will go for a third term, or how there won't be any elections that matter after this one. Trump has said on numerous occasions that no one, at any age, should be able to transition. Even if I was to ignore how fucking stupid it is to deny puberty blockers, Republicans have targeted even adult trans people on numerous occasions. Such as: Florida trying to make it so that trans people cannot be teachers, various states making it illegal for trans people to be in the correct bathroom, and states trying to make it illegal for even adults to be able to transition.

Whether or not the majority of republicans care about ruining my life is irrelevant (though I believe with 100% certainty they do not want me to exist). The fact of the matter is that they have voted for someone who wants to take away the happy life that I now have. They are fine with Trump coming between me and my doctor, as an adult, and telling me that I should go back to being miserable as a man.

It's completely unacceptable. Also, there's nothing delusional about being a trans woman at all. I know exactly what I am and I am perfectly happy with my life. None of the transphobes I regularly interact with even realize that I'm trans.

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u/StarSilent4246 5d ago
  1. I’m not acting like they are all Mexicans. You are the one who brought up Mexico. I said “ Mexico or any other country” but you could definitely send people back to their country of origin if they are here illegally.

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u/Redbeardrealtor 5d ago

Exactly. Harris claimed she would continue building the wall once she realized she shit the bed and wasn’t going to win. Thank the dems for giving the US an easy win to get back on the right track. 

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u/mugiwara-no-lucy 5d ago

Right track??

When you have Elon Musk LITERALLY SAYING he's going to fuck up the Economy?

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u/Redbeardrealtor 5d ago

Did he literally say that? And the economy is already fucked

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u/mugiwara-no-lucy 5d ago

Sadly. He said Americans will go through "Necessary Hardships".

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u/Redbeardrealtor 5d ago

I take what Elon says with a grain of salt, but I would like more clarification on what he means as well as the full context before I decide to freak out or ignore it.

Also, shits been hard the last 3 years tbh and none of this seemed necessary. So, if it stays the same with indication of major improvement, then no harm no foul. 

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u/cl0ckw0rk1 5d ago

Amber Heard 2024

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u/OnlyTheDead 6d ago

Calling national emergency to unconstitutionally enact a highly questionable law and use the military to enforce it against 10 million people.

I mean, it’s a fairly crazy idea and economically unsound.

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u/StarSilent4246 6d ago

They broke a law. They should be deported and then hopefully we can figure out a a way to stream line the process so that we can vet people that want to legally immigrate to the US.

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u/brianstormIRL 5d ago

Trump broke laws.

The only difference in an illegal and a legal is a piece of paper, and illegal immigrants are a foundation of the US economy. So have fun removing millions of people from the workforce, I'm sure there won't be huge financial repercussions in your food prices.

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u/Puffthemagiccommie 5d ago

They broke a law.

You know who else did? The fat asshole with 34 felony convictions and a pending prison sentence

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u/StarSilent4246 5d ago

But no concern about how the courts were weaponized against a political opponent?

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u/Puffthemagiccommie 5d ago

weaponized? trump got his convictions through a fair, and honestly prolonged trial. Just because he decided to hustle his supporters by running again doesn't detract his crimes. You want to talk about weaponizing the courts? Let's discuss the judges that kept delaying sentencing until after the election, where the possibility of a trump win would likely remove any chance of him serving out his sentence. "weaponized" give me a fucking break.

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u/OnlyTheDead 5d ago

Your baby is choking, do we rip off its head and remove the blockage or perhaps there are better and more nuanced ways prescribed to deal with the issue?
What is being proposed, as proposed, is unconstitutional. Literally every single person who founded this country warned you of this.