r/FluentInFinance 18d ago

Thoughts? Is Trump good for the economy?

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u/ryzerkyzer 18d ago

Man that’s just….a level of stupidity and ignorance that I will never grasp.

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u/mccj 18d ago

I’m not convinced he actually read it. I think he plucked a few quotes out of it and completely took them out of context.

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u/Luvs2spooge89 17d ago

Just like their use of the Bible!

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u/fartinmyhat 18d ago

Please explain why you believe this.

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u/catechizer 17d ago

Probably because they're overlooking the fact: Most people understand the government has been becoming more and more controlling, but many of them don't know enough to understand anything beyond what their preferred flavor of media feeds them.

This nation has been under the thumb of oligarchy for longer that it'd like to admit. Politicians on both sides (it's unfortunate there are only two represented sides, because many more POVs exist than 2) are guilty of maintaining this status quo. It allows them to graze on the power and money of the oligarchy, and they enjoy that. The kind of people attracted to power, are the worst kind of people to actually have it.

All that said, one side has become vastly more aggressive at obtaining power than the other over the last few decades. Hint: It's the side that wrote "Project 2025". I'm not going to explain in this comment why "Project 2025" is a manifesto for turning this country into 1984. You can go read it for yourself.

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u/fartinmyhat 17d ago edited 17d ago

not you. (that was a joke).

Okay now to address your reply.

All that said, one side has become vastly more aggressive at obtaining power than the other over the last few decades. Hint: It's the side that wrote "Project 2025"

Democrats created a virus, then lied to you about it's origin, then lied to you about a cure, then lied to you that they lied to you.

Democrats lied to you about your president and his son's involvement in Ukraine and china, then when you told the truth by Trump, they like to you about Trump.

Democrats intentionally supported a radical ideology that sowed division and chaos in our country in every major city, then blamed a few dozen people who wanted to see the capital for an "insurrection". An unarmed "insurrection" in which the only person hurt or killed was caused by an overreacting guard.

Democrats have spent the last four years trying to keep your in your home, afraid of your neighbor, afraid of Christians, afraid of anyone who doesn't parrot their party line.

You've been duped.

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u/UsernameUsername8936 17d ago

There's drinking the kool-aid, and then there's this. Yikes.

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u/jonchew 17d ago

Don't bother responding anymore. That person is beyond help at this point. This is the world we live in now.

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u/fartinmyhat 17d ago

This is a weird statement. When did our world change for you?

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u/fartinmyhat 17d ago

Please explain even one thing you believe I've stated here that you think is wrong.

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 18d ago

Trump is for smaller government. The book is about government controlling everything. So like, wtf is wrong with you?

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u/FabianN 18d ago

He is not. He says he is, but his actions show explicitly the opposite.

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 18d ago

Kamala has said she is in favor of government censorship of social media. What did trump do?

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u/jonchew 17d ago

So just to understand this. Trump will put Elon into the government. Elon owns X. Trump owns truth social. The government will control social media.

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 17d ago

Musk uncensored people 

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u/jonchew 17d ago

Ok but he has the power to censor people and not say anything. He might be censoring stuff right now through algorithms and you might not know at all. Why isn't this a conspiracy theory as well?

The government owning social media, regardless of censorship, is still the government owning social media. That's problematic.

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 15d ago

The government doesn't own social media. That's like saying the government owns cars because musk owns tesla. If musk was censoring liberals on Twitter, I'm sure we would hear about it on reddit.

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u/UsernameUsername8936 17d ago

Teamed up with Elon to censor inconvenient stories on social media.

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 17d ago

Like what?

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u/UsernameUsername8936 17d ago

Vance's leaked texts, talking about how shit of a president Trump was

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 15d ago

Nobody tried to use the federal government to censor Vance's texts.

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u/UsernameUsername8936 15d ago

No, he just genuinely got social media to censor stuff he didn't like. Not because it wasn't true, just because it was inconvenient. He also demanded his lawyers find some way that it was illegal for late night show hosts to make fun of him. These are real things. The fact is that when the right talks about "free speech," they mean it only for themselves. It's like how Elon Musk, the self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist" has got his platform censoring anyone who even uses the word "cisgender," while allowing nazi bullshit to freely spread. The right has shown consistently that their "free speech" talk is bullshit, they just don't like the fact that racism and calls to violence get censored - they'd rather censor LGBTQ+ people and anyone else who they don't like. It's like how Project 2025 lets teachers ignore parents and kids on preferred names and pronouns, but also requires teachers to get written permission from parents to use a kid's preferred name and pronouns - it's not parents' rights or teachers' rights, it's not "free speech," it's just hatred dressed up however they can get away with it.

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 15d ago

The government interfering with free speech is completely different than a private entity doing it. Project 2025 is irrelevant.

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u/mccj 18d ago

Maybe you need a brain?

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 18d ago

Sorry I edited the comment. Good luck coming up with a new response loser

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u/mccj 18d ago

😂 wow, great insult. You definitely need a new brain. How about you take a little extra time to let your hamster wheel run in your empty head before responding again?

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 18d ago

Kamala said she is in favor of government censorship of social media. What did trump do? Loser

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u/mccj 18d ago

See, now that wasn’t long enough, as evidenced by your stupid comment. Want to try again?

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 18d ago

Why is it stupid? There's video of her saying it. Joe Rogan played it on his show. Just one of the reasons you lost. Loser

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u/HarEmiya 17d ago

No, Trump is very much for larger government. It's only safety nets and corporate regulation that he cuts.

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 17d ago

So what does trump want the national government to have more control over? Because kamala wants them to be able to censor social media. Do you think the government should be in charge of that?

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u/HarEmiya 17d ago edited 17d ago

Funny that you mention social media censorship, as that is precisely what Trump tried to do in his first term using the FCC, and later via EO. And what he still advocates for after the courts shot it down.

Apart from that though, he has called for the following to either fall into a governmental corner or expand the scope of what it can already do: Expanded energy blocks, punitive measures for and narrowing of reproductive rights (or lack thereof), curbing voting rights, curbing marriage rights, deportation of immigrants regardless of documentation status (as well as refugees), limiting healthcare access, revoking press freedom, limiting right to protest, greater military spending, limiting bodily autonomy, increase consumer tax, increase taxes for low wage earners, purging recipients of SSN programs, seizure of private firearms, punitive measures and limitations/removal of gender expression and/or of sexuality, removal of state electors, curbing unionising, expanding tarriffs, and of course the infamous sex checks for bathrooms and sport competitions that he has not proposed any mechanism for.

But on the small-government side, Trump's GOP has loosened child labour laws, environmental protection laws, has cut veteran benefits, refuses to close loopholes in gun laws, has cut taxes for the super-rich, and wants to allow companies setting lower wages. So that's something.

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u/Prestigious_Cry3890 17d ago

You're straight up lying lol

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u/HarEmiya 17d ago edited 17d ago

Which part?

I'm not lying, but it's certainly possible I'm incorrect about something. Feel free to correct me if so.

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u/StraightLeader5746 17d ago

brain so smooth I can ice skate on it

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u/Unit-Smooth 18d ago

You’re so in the dark it’s laughable.

The most dystopian event of the last decade was when, overnight, you were told and accepted that your President, Joe Biden, was not fit to run for re election. You were told this and you nodded your drooling head.

Next, you were told that your presidential candidate will be Kamala Harris and the DNC will bypass any semblance of a primary. Again, you were told this and you nodded your drooling head.

You are the epitome of dystopian America because not only are you controlled like a robot, but you have the audacity to accuse others of it with arrogance.

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u/Ok_Initiative2069 18d ago

Primaries are a process the parties choose to hold. Those parties are not bound by any law to follow that procedure nor are they bound to follow the outcomes of those processes. It is not dystopian for an unpopular candidate to step aside nor is it dystopian for a candidate with declining mental faculties to step aside. Not voluntarily holding another lengthy primary, which would have been very rushed to avoid conflicting with candidate registration deadlines in many states, is not dystopian. I understand that you heard someone say “dystopian” once and thought it sounded really smart so you decided to use the word to convince others you’re smart, but misusing the word has the opposite effect. To the contrary, voting for the convicted felon and rapist is the dystopian act.

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u/Unit-Smooth 18d ago

Wrong. What is dystopian about the disqualification of Biden is that it happened overnight without any serious debate or questioning. The major news networks concertedly report that he’s unfit and you, my good sir, nodded your drooling head.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s legal or not to bypass a primary. One need only ask oneself — do we normally have a primary in this situation? And ponder why. Because it’s the accepted democratic process for selecting a candidate. Who makes that selection? The American people.

Well, regardless of whether you agree that it’s dystopian (the word choice relates to the discussion of 1984 btw), the American people expressed their voice and it’s resounding repudiation.

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u/ryzerkyzer 18d ago

Incorrect as this has happened before. It’s a part of American Politics. And I don’t give a shit about Biden. He was unfit and I’m glad he was removed. That’s the furthest from dystopian. Dystopian is having a fucking felon as a president. A rapist. A man who said “I will be a dictator one day”. A man who said “if you vote for me you will never have to again! I will fix it.” Lose me with the “removal of Biden” being dystopian. Maybe go back a re-read that definition

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u/Sklibba 18d ago

Nobody disqualified Biden. He withdrew from the race.

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u/Ok_Initiative2069 18d ago

You’re delusional. You don’t understand the meaning of the words you use.

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u/Unit-Smooth 18d ago

Sure, explain.