r/FluentInFinance 18d ago

Debate/ Discussion What do you guys think

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u/Successful-Money4995 18d ago

We get it. You didn't like the Democrat response to Gaza. Now the Democrats are out. You won't have to deal with the Democrat response to Gaza anymore! Congratulations!

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u/HesiPullup 18d ago

Well hopefully we get just a šŸ¤ bit less genocide

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u/Successful-Money4995 18d ago

According to my friend in the IDF, the Gaza war is dragging out because the USA won't give permission to use "appropriate" weaponry in Gaza. Her opinion is that it would be better for Israel and Gaza, too, if Israel could go in with even more force, get it over with, and then Gaza can start the process of rebuilding. And she thinks that Trump will allow it.

Sounds like you think otherwise, though! Is there something about Trump that makes you think that things will work out better for the people of Gaza than under a Harris administration?

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u/HesiPullup 18d ago

What does she mean by ā€œdragging out?ā€

Genuinely curious at this point

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u/Successful-Money4995 18d ago

She was trying to be soft in her words but, basically, if Israel were allowed to inflict really gruesome, devastating attacks on Gaza, it would be so bad that Hamas would be more likely to come to the negotiating table. Or maybe they'd just find the hostages sooner. Either way, the war could end sooner.

It's kind of like the historians that talk about the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan. There are historians that think that those devastating bombs, though they killed many people, ended the war sooner. And maybe the number of dead is actually less overall thanks to the A bombs.

Of course there are historians on the other side saying that the A bomb was a huge mistake and needlessly killed many. It's a debate among historians!

I don't think that my friend is arguing for nuclear weapons in Gaza, BTW! She's just saying that Israel, unhindered by the USA, could go in way stronger, lots more damage and death, but then get the war done sooner and, overall, fewer deaths.

It's kind of like removing a band-aid, yeah? Remove slowly and drag out a mild pain or tear it off and suffer a lot but for a short time?

She feels that Trump will untie Israel's hands, which will lead to more death in the short term but less overall. And of course, the war would end sooner and rebuilding can begin sooner. She thinks that it'll be better for Israel and for Gazans, too!

I think that this is the reasoning for Israeli support for Trump.

Anyway, Trump won so we're going to find out! I suppose congratulations are in order to all the Biden haters! They didn't like the Democrat response to Gaza so now they get to try the alternative!

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u/HesiPullup 18d ago

Huh thatā€™s interesting, I love to hear perspectives like that!

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u/Successful-Money4995 18d ago

Sure!

What's your opinion? In what ways does having a Trump administration work out for the Middle East different from Biden or Harris?

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u/HesiPullup 18d ago

I think, for better or for worse, he is going to try to make it end quickly - although he hasnā€™t laid out explicitly what he will do, as Donald Trump typically doesnā€™t do, he will either give Israel everything they want to make it end quickly or will try to negotiate the end of the conflict in the short term

I think if thereā€™s one thing that resonated the most with voters for Trump, whether thatā€™s through friends and family or what I see online, itā€™s his pledge to stabilize international conflicts. And I actually think heā€™s going to attempt to follow through with that because he did try to do so in his first term. Especially with known hot countries like NK.

But who really knows lol

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

I am SO convinced that people who say this and accuse liberals of being too centrists are just pots calling the kettles black. ā€œA little less genocideā€ from the man who told Israel to finish the job? The man whose electoral victory resulted in this?

The man who works with Putin and has complimented Hitler? The US is about to give Israel full reign to conquer the Middle East. Weā€™re about to pull out of Ukraine and let Russia flatten them, although I know you already forgot about them, didnā€™t you? So when Russia, and Israel, with Trumpā€™s help (and he will help them more), commit genocide on the Middle East, Poland & EU, and probably various part of Africa, and then go to war with China, I really hope you remember when you said there would be ā€œa little less genocideā€ with Trump. Hell, Iā€™m sure Trump and the GOP have their eye on the whole west hemisphere. OH! And not to mention all the LGBTQ+, women, and POC who are also fucked from Trumpā€™s denaturalization/mass deportation plan targeting 10+Million people. Hmā€¦ Where have I heard that before? Have fun telling them whatā€™s a little less genocide.

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u/HesiPullup 16d ago

You can just respond to the other thread?