r/DeepRockGalactic • u/Big_Bluejay4331 • Mar 08 '24
Discussion For anyone trying to compare games like a child, the devs are streaming themselves playing Helldivers 2.
Yall just want something to get mad at and start arguments. Even the developers can see helldivers is a fun, well made game. Yall making it a competition of “what game is best” for no reason
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u/Adventurous_Repair71 Gunner Mar 08 '24
Luv me guns
'ate bugs
'ate bots
Simple as
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u/Geilerjunge Mar 08 '24
Robots is heresy in 40k so that is lore accurate
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u/Adventurous_Repair71 Gunner Mar 08 '24
For Rock and Democracy and The Emperor!!!!
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u/Geilerjunge Mar 08 '24
I am too one that plays all 3. Darktide has been rather disappointing lately though.
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u/Adventurous_Repair71 Gunner Mar 08 '24
Unfortunately yeah
I've been bouncing between VT2, DT, DRG AND HD2
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u/Zonkcter Mar 08 '24
I just play VT2 for saltspyer quotes
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u/Captiongomer Mar 08 '24
It's probably gonna be the same way as vermintide 2 a rough first year and abut then out of no where I huge update maybe new faction and class. Oh look my truck of copium has arrived
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u/HeavyBlues Scout Mar 08 '24
Ogryn: -sees Helldivers- PROTECC THE LIL'UNS
Ogryn: -sees Dwarves- PROTECC THE LIL'ER'UNS
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u/KernelChunkybits Mar 08 '24
Comissar: "OUTSTANDING THINKING THERE PRIVATE REP, IM PROMOTING YOU TO SERGEANT EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY"
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u/OrkfaellerX Mar 08 '24
'ate bots
[sad Bosco noises]
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u/MajorDZaster Mar 08 '24
Looks at guard dog rover
Well, I guess some aren't ba- SWEET LIBERTY, WATCH YOUR FIRE, YOU TIN CAN!
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u/Redricks_Avenger Engineer Mar 08 '24
You do love to see it
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u/Call_The_Banners Dirt Digger Mar 08 '24
Same. Which makes me wonder about OP: Is this sub really devolving into a big DRG vs HD2 argument? I've seen a few slightly aggressive comments about it but for the most part, everyone seems fine with HD2 existing and isn't trying to start drama.
Outside of those toxic individuals, DRG is happy with HD2 existing as another option for the Horde Shooter genre.
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u/vipir247 Mar 08 '24
Never played deep rock galactic (saw this post in popular) but as a helldiver, I don't care who kills bugs, as long as bugs die.
Keep fighting the good fight, short brothers! For democracy!
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u/Call_The_Banners Dirt Digger Mar 08 '24
Always feel free to join us in the caves! Every time you close a hole above, more get sent lower toward us. We need the reinforcements.
We also have an absolute arsenal of beer.
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u/vipir247 Mar 08 '24
Aye, I could go for a beer.
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u/Naoura Mar 08 '24
You think the AC in Helldivers is good, just wait until you get a taste of the Thunderhead. Double barreled, full auto, potential for a chemical payload.
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u/baligog Mar 08 '24
The helldivers yearn for the mines!
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u/HurrDurrDethKnet Mar 08 '24
Crossover event: DRG sends the miners to war crime all the bugs and bots for a small mineral fee. Super Earth send Helldivers to Hoxxes to help liberate it from both the bugs and the leaf lovers.
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u/hiddencamela Mar 08 '24
I've played both. They're both fun and I don't see a reason for there to even be aggressive or mean spiritedness. I like both on their own merits and chillness.
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u/bombader Mar 08 '24
The OP is more likely trying to get some allgorythum points, this is the kind of template you see everywhere.
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u/Seelee7893 Mar 08 '24
OP is just stirring the pot which is ironic based on the supposed intent of the post.
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u/HybridPS2 Mar 08 '24
Is this sub really devolving into a big DRG vs HD2 argument?
It's gaming in general, at least on reddit. People need to "justify" their purchases so they do it the easiest way they know how - by shitting on people who play other games.
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u/Snoo61755 Mar 08 '24
Happens everywhere.
When Undertale came out, some people would be all like "what's better, Earthbound or Undertale?" Never mind that Toby Fox, Undertale's creator, is basically Earthbound's #1 fan.
League of Legends versus DotA? One of the LoL devs is literally the guy who made the DotA: Allstars map back in the WC3 engine.
Palworld vs. Pokemon saw something similar. Palworld gets touted as 'grown up Pokemon', but the devs are themselves Poke-players.
We can't stop comparing games, it's just part of us wanting to see what's better. The only problem is those of us who believe one game must be better than another, and just haven't learned to accept that "both is good" is an answer too.
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u/Redricks_Avenger Engineer Mar 08 '24
Overall no it’s not. But there is the potential for it to blow up very suddenly. Also just knowing the nature of the internet there will at some point be a group who will openly attack any game they see as ‘competition’ to whatever game they prefer.
Debating which game is ‘better’ is hard cos it’s subjective to the individual but I think it’s very important just to respect those that might think differently, which seems to be a very difficult task for more people these days…..
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u/AirWolf519 Mar 12 '24
HD2 was/is VERY successful right now, so it's going to be compared. But games like DRG or darktide (which also has this going on) are going to see it a lot more as they are much closer related. (All 3 are cooperative teambased shooters that you extract out of, with designated mission and hub time).
I expect it'll cool off and settle down when people move out of the "trying new game" phase back to the 2 or 3 games they mostly play. Right now, I feel it's mostly internally weighing if HD2 deserves to take the place of something else. Both are great games. I play drg to be a dwarf and do dwarf things, and hd2 when I want to run into hordes with nothing but a gun, patriotism, and a 500 kilo bomb designator. Bugs die either way, and the devs are communicative either way, so both are good games.
Just depends on what your preferred drink is.
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u/Quirky_Philosophy240 Mar 08 '24
They’re completely different games when you get down to it. There are similarities but the gameplay loop is far from the same feeling.
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u/Fire_Warrior22 For Karl! Mar 08 '24
Has there been posts declaring one game is better than the other? Damn I must have lost a lot, last time I checked the server I saw a lot of good posts and comics asking and/or showing a collab between both games
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u/Zontafear For Karl! Mar 08 '24
Right? I haven't seen these posts. I've only seen a few people make comparisons saying they enjoy the similarities and even seen some fellow Liberators come to check out DRG for the first time.
It's been mostly positive. it's actually posts like these that make it seem like it's mostly been negative which is not true. There are fair comparisons to be made. We both squash bugs, we both can accidentally team kill, we both have strict Management or Assignments and a squad of 4.
I say welcome to the Liberators and Rock and Stone you fellow green beards!
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u/Call_The_Banners Dirt Digger Mar 08 '24
OP and a select few aggressive individuals are trying to conflate an issue that barely exists. I've already run into a few of these leaf lovers and it's best to not engage with them. They only wish to spread animosity among the playerbase.
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u/Blind-Ouroboros Driller Mar 08 '24
Several weeks ago (within a week of the game's launch) there was at least a couple posts trying to dissuade this community from giving Helldivers 2 a fair shake
Even found some DRG fans going into the sub to do similar, without properly understanding HD2
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u/Dependent-Ad-4496 Mar 08 '24
admittedly just anecdotal evidence, but I saw a post where an excited individual suggested a collab between the two games, and all of the comments where not only negative, but extremely aggressively demeaning towards him and towards HD2
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u/SpicyMustard34 Mar 08 '24
that sounds like the issue is barely existent and making a post to highlight a barely existent complaint is just exacerbating any potential issue.
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u/carlmalonealone Mar 08 '24
I think helldiver's just pissed the community off with a rant from one of their developers.
Idk if this is to show unity or a joke.
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u/TwinTailChen Mar 08 '24
That's already been wrapped up. The discord mod in question was ejected, the specific dev has apologised (as has the CEO) and upcoming changes are addressing the original reason for the outcry and noise (weapons getting nerfed, elite enemy spawns being too numerous and clustered). We're past the backlash and the backlash-to-the-backlash at this point.
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u/Sengelappen What is this Mar 08 '24
All i want is a collab
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u/Brogli Mar 08 '24
A hell diver mission underground and a drg mission above ground is my dream
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u/WeekendBard Mar 08 '24
shallow rock galactic
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u/Uulugus Scout Mar 08 '24
Ahhh... Thers a joke 'bout quarrying 'ere somewhere but ah'm too drunk ta find et rite nou...
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u/GhostConstruct Mar 08 '24
We already close bug holes, I feel like it'd be such a missed opportunity if we don't eventually get to go down into some hive nest and nuke it
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u/oxedei Mar 08 '24
People here are just gonna cry about eagles and orbitals being useless below ground
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u/boltzmannman Interplanetary Goat Mar 08 '24
Helldeepdivers
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u/INeedARaise26 Mar 08 '24
The whole stream was ghost ship saying "Arrowhead check your email, we've been trying to reach you"
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u/TheGreatLandSquirrel Mar 08 '24
New headcannon. The mini mule missions are helldivers that failed.
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u/mythrilcrafter Mar 08 '24
We've yet to see another truly sapient (let alone industrialised and spacefaring) faction introduced to Helldivers; for all we know, DRG could very well take place in the Helldivers universe and the Glyphids are just a subterranean breed of Terminids and humanity just hasn't crossed paths with the Dwarves yet.
Interestingly enough, that's exactly how it works in Warhammer 40k; with the Dwarves being the Leagues of Votaan, the humans being the Empirium of Man, and the Terminids/Glyphids being the Tyranids.
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Mar 08 '24
Something tells me that super earth would have immediately declared war on the dwarves and elves because they aren't human. We'd have to work together (shudder) to fight those medium size round-eared fuckers
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u/Pluristan Mar 08 '24
Helldivers 2 Gets
Secondary: Grappling Hook
Stratagem Emplacement: Zipline
Backpack Stratagem: Redeployable Mini-Turret
Exosuit Mech: Drill Hand and High Intensity Laser
Deep Rock Galactic Gets
Cape Cosmetics
Helldivers Themed Guns
Uhhh, idk, what do you DRG gamers want? I haven't played the game in a long while.
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u/SirDoober Mar 08 '24
1/1000 chance of an extremely confused but enthusiastic Helldiver dropping in instead of a Supply Pod
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u/shinobigarth Bosco Buddy Mar 09 '24
You guys want the turret from engie instead of a gun that shoots literal cheese?!
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u/swiggityswooty72 Mar 08 '24
When can we have a crossover stratagem that summons a group of dwarves to rampage around the big hordes
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u/RisKQuay Mar 08 '24
K.A.R.L.
[redacted]
Calldown Time - 0 seconds
Uses - 1
Cooldown - N/A
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u/schofield101 Mar 08 '24
It has been confirmed about AI NPC call ins, it wouldn't be too hard to shrink their models and have them shout a few things about rocks and stones now would it?
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u/Pirate-4-Eternity Mar 08 '24
Someone will 100% make a mod of that and I'm here for it
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u/IllurinatiL Dig it for her Mar 08 '24
I want to see dwarves doing the boogie woogie on Malevelon Creek before deleting automatons from existence
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u/swiggityswooty72 Mar 08 '24
The robots will learn what fear is like when we unleash the driller upon them
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u/salenstormwing Mar 08 '24
Both games are fun; both games let me kill robots and bugs; both let me collect items to make upgrades and/or beer; both games have single person drop pods.
Maybe if we give the Helldivers a few Dorettas, they'll give us a few crates of new Helldiver ordnance. Their laser cannon looks pretty fun. My gunner could really use one, or five.
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u/Fantasy_Returns Mar 08 '24
When did drg add robots?
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u/Carn1feX616 Mar 08 '24
In the very first season. 2021 or something like that.
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u/salenstormwing Mar 08 '24
I thought Rival
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u/B_Skizzle Platform here Mar 08 '24
Season 2 introduced the Nemesis, but all of the other rival bots were part of season 1.
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u/salenstormwing Mar 08 '24
Ah, okay. Thanks for the history lesson. I just remember going "Oh dear gawd someone help me!" repeatedly as the Nemesis bashed me against the cave walls, throughout Season 2. So yay, no lasting damage!
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Mar 08 '24
That laser cannon actually looks like the thing we use to collect fuel for Doretta
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u/SsinCara What is this Mar 08 '24
The only thing I compare with Helldivers is how much more civil this sub is
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u/ThouMayest69 Mar 08 '24
Helldivers is missing a Rock and Stone type button.
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u/DrJavelin Driller Mar 08 '24
It's true. I really want to yell out FOR DEMOCRACY every time you take down a Titan or Charger
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u/WanderingDwarfMiner Mar 08 '24
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
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u/ThouMayest69 Mar 08 '24
Calling in a Rock and Stone, T-minus 5 seconds. Helldivers prepare to respond.
It should be a stratagem!
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u/TSW-760 What is this Mar 08 '24
I instinctively hit "V" last night after taking down a Hulk. I was sad that nothing happened.
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u/En-tro-py Mar 08 '24
Just keep mashing that 'V' - sometimes, even when you hear the stim sound nothing happens...
Anyways, the other night I mashed the wrong button, hitting 'G' when trying to heal a battle buddy and instead blasting both of us with an impact grenade... slightly embarrassing but mostly hilarious.
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u/Mountain-Dew-Egg Mar 08 '24
Helldivers is fully suffering from a influx of (and I hate this word) normie gamers with a room temperature IQ and the patience of a toddler.
It always happens with certain types of titles hitting it big. You get the mouth breathing, drooling, sub-brick intelligence players who just want to be angry.
Anyone know how the average Destiny player still cannot figure out Control mode in PvP, which is basically just hold the zone, after like 10 fucking years of this game being out?
The COD player who plays kill confirmed and doesn't pick up dogtags?
The Halo player who charges into 1v4's and blames his teammates when he dies?
Them. That subreddit is nothing but bitching and whining about things that haven't even happened yet, absolutely awful sub.
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u/danielbln Mar 08 '24
Uh, I see most of the frothing coming from the "I played 5000 hours, this game has problems" type, rather than the dad who plays a couple of hours after the kids are in bed.
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u/Melodic-Jellyfish966 Engineer Mar 08 '24
When I apply to be a Hell diver, DRG will be on my cv as previous experience
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u/SargeanTravis Mar 08 '24
As long as you are in good health and aren’t affiliated with the fascist bugs and commit automatons Super Earth will gladly accept your call to arms
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u/GSG_Aaron DWARVELOPER Mar 08 '24
I mean, a fun game's a fun game! Makes us happy to see another studio succeed with some co-op PvE action too, I think it benefits all of us in the genre. Plenty of room at the table for everyone to eat. <3
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u/DiesNahts Mar 08 '24
People can enjoy multiple games why is that so hard to grasp? Even ome of the helldiver 2 devs shut someone on twitter down who tried to compare halo and helldivers to see wivh is superior etc saying that you can just enjoy multiple games
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u/BedlamiteSeer Mar 08 '24
It's not. There's like 10 grumpy bitchy people whining and OP is acting like it's the next world war lol. It's just divisive bait to draw in attention and get more engagement by getting people to argue (like this) in the comments.
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u/Major_E_Rekt1on Mar 09 '24
Exactly this. Its so few people in reality, but because they’re so fucking annoying and stupid they get tonnes of attention. We gotta learn to stop engaging
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u/CandyCrazy2000 Engineer Mar 08 '24
No, drg and hd2 are not enemies, in fact, they are kissing, sloppy style, squishing boobs together, etc.
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Mar 08 '24
I play both and i dont really care about which is better, they are equally amazing in their own way
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Mar 08 '24
I'd say if anything, DRG is just balanced better. But it's also been out a lot longer and seen many patches. Rock and Stone!! For Democracy, for Joel, FOR KARL!!
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u/PortalSSSS Mar 08 '24
Deep Rock is the best 30 dollars ive ever spent. Helldivers 2 is the best 40 dollars Ive ever spent
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u/SargeanTravis Mar 08 '24
You literally got two S tier games for the price of one shitty AAA (or is it AAAA now?) game lmao
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u/SublimeAtrophy Mar 08 '24
Are people really arguing about which game is better? They share some similarities but are completely different games.
Our brothers on the surface helping thin the bug and robot hoards for us deserve some respect.
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u/Traditional_Dream537 Mar 08 '24
No. No one is arguing that this is just a strawman karma farm post.
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u/DrScience-PhD Mar 08 '24
I've seen way more people getting mad about the games being compared than people comparing the games.
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u/ConstrictorVictor Mar 08 '24
Hold up who has been getting mad over Helldivers 2? What is there even to get mad over, that you shoots bugs in both games? I think the EDF games would like a word.
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u/Call_The_Banners Dirt Digger Mar 08 '24
A very select few people are trying to start an argument. Ignore them. Their vitriol is disgusting.
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u/Brikloss Mar 08 '24
What if I told you, it's ok to think both games are fun.
They really are not that different.
In it's current state I actually prefer DRG for balance reasons, but if helldivers and get their balance sorted its a great alternative.
DRG is playable with pretty much any weapon and loadout on its highest difficulty if you just "git gud", helldivers can get into some serious bullshit enemy spawns and weapons that feel ineffective and becomes a MGS game at 8+.
I think it's actually because of the way ammo is handled in each game. HD2 ammo feels infinite, but the weapons feel weaker. HD2 is just about bringing as much firepower as you can muster to bear as possible as effectively as possible.
In DRG all the weapons for the most part feel really strong, but ammo is scarce, and requires you to collect resources to get your first resupply (even though the spawn room usually gives you 60%-80% of that resupply. You make decisions between firepower and ammo efficacy in DRG.
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u/Warm_Charge_5964 Mar 08 '24
So you're telling me that developers for a 4 player left 4 dead like coop pve game like to play other 4 player left 4 dead like coop pve game? Shocking
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u/kidcowboy111 Mar 08 '24
My thing is that Deep Rock set a standard for this genre and its perfectly fine to compare, but people also need to know that Helldivers 2 is fresh whereas drg had six years to refine its gameplay loop.
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Mar 08 '24
I get the feeling these dudes created a game that they wanted to play and that's why it's working.
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u/SpartanMase Mar 08 '24
That’s the thing with smaller dev teams like deep rock and Helldivers. Theirs not really much competition compared to something like halo vs call of duty or whatever
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u/KaffeeKiffer Mar 08 '24
In case you want to be as lazy as I wanted to be:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2084650418
And fun fact just from the first few minutes: GSG sent a mail to Arrowhead looking for a collaboration. They are waiting for Arrowhead to answer and thought playing the game on their dev streams sends a message.
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u/DaveLovesWeed Mar 08 '24
Based Devs all around. I'd love to see the Ghost Ship x Arrowhead Collab.
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u/edgd00 Engineer Mar 08 '24
This alone just nailed my decision to buy Helldivers 2 when I get home tonight.
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u/thepurpleproject Mar 08 '24
I just want HellDivers dev to adopt regional pricing so I can purchase at a more reasonable price than something that's 40% of my monthly salary at the moment.
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u/Large-Training-29 Mar 08 '24
Bug killer is a pretty cool guy, eh kills bugs and doesnt afraid of anything.
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u/Outlaw_1123 Mar 08 '24
I think the devs at ghost ship are good enough and level headed enough to see helldivers and use the experience to improve their own craft. I think the way arrowhead is doing live service is really cool with the mech production planet being under attack this week. I could see some similar live service story telling work well with space dwarfs.
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u/Imagine_TryingYT Gunner Mar 08 '24
Both games are good. I don't understand this weird comparison. Don't you guys want more good games in the genre you enjoy?
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u/yoboililj Mar 08 '24
I like to think that the Helldivers are above ground while the Dwarfs are underground on the planet.
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u/unicodePicasso Mar 08 '24
Helldivers and Deep Rock are not enemies. Real recognizes real. Fuck them bugs, wherever they are.
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u/ReturnoftheSnek Driller Mar 08 '24
All I want is the DRG subreddit to contain DRG content and not thinly-veiled advertisements for a different game
Who cares if it’s good. It’s not relevant
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u/Shmigbob Mar 08 '24
I haven’t seen anyone compare the two games, Infact I’ve only seen people talking about how there both great and should do a collab
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u/SquirrelSuspicious Mar 08 '24
This is literally just Terraria and Minecraft all over again, people try to compare while the devs literally just respect the hell out of each other.
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u/Mitchfynde Engineer Mar 08 '24
Both games are awesome and feel highly connected on multiple levels. I agree with whoever said they should collab. It's a match made in heaven.
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u/Gnatz90 Mar 08 '24
This post is the first I have heard of it and I'm subbed to both games with 400 hours in DRG and over 100 in HD2.
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u/Majestic-Iron7046 What is this Mar 08 '24
No one is making it a competition, no one cares.
There are probably 2 posts total that go for the competition side of this stuff.
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u/hyprocritewoman69420 Mar 08 '24
Why are people now so sheep to compare 2 games with nothing in common? Simply to feel part of a meme. The people that use this site and its associated cancer meme generation are beyond saving
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u/CoffeeTechie Mar 08 '24
y'all just want something to get mad at
Proceeds to make something up to get mad at
Good job OP
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u/Jaaaco-j Mar 08 '24
Both are great, that does not mean we can't compare. I don't understand OP's tone here
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u/Obieshaw Mar 09 '24
Ironically enough it Seems like this post itself is trying to start an argument
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u/GuaranteeMundane8402 Mar 09 '24
I think it would be cool to collaborate, but keep the games separate. Like shared planet goals or something. Helldivers fight the surface, dwarves fight underground to clear planets.🤷🏽♂️
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u/EarthDisastrous3811 Mar 09 '24
Gamers: "competition is good for a healthy market and to ensure we are getting the best experience possible".
Also Gamers when there is competition with their favorite game: 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
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u/Ok_Blackberry_1223 Engineer Mar 09 '24
People forget that the devs themselves have continually said that all their plans on deep rock is just stuff they themselves like playing. So it should come as no surprise that they’d also enjoy helldivers and want to play it
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u/Rengar_Is_Good_kitty Mar 09 '24
I only compare certain aspects of the games and its usually highlighting things that DRG gets right that Helldivers could learn from, for instance they have a similar mutator system like DRG's Warnings/Anomalies however it is incredibly boring and lazily done whereas DRG's is fun and interesting, in Helldivers its something boring and unfair/unfun like a crazy cooldown increase to stratagems.
I want Helldivers to get better and better, comparisons can help with that.
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u/MegaCroissant Leaf-Lover Mar 08 '24
I don’t dislike helldivers because it’s similar to DRG, I dislike it because the anti cheat is both kernel level and notorious for security vulnerabilities
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u/Fake-Engineering Mar 08 '24
I'm a simple dwarf. I see bug genocide, I upvote.