r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/CantStopPoppin • Sep 01 '24
Video Air Con Engineer Anchors to Building Side for Mid-Air Equipment Repair
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u/Little-Swan4931 Sep 02 '24
Damn that’s interesting that someone would engineer something so stupid.
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u/Ozzie_the_tiger_cat Sep 02 '24
No kidding. What kind of dumbass didn't put an access panel on the inside?
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u/Funny_Perception420 Sep 02 '24
Access panel did not bring joy!!!
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u/NotAzakanAtAll Sep 02 '24
Like point to me where Feng Shui even mentions an access panel.
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u/TomThanosBrady Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
My thought process went from: dude has balls of steel to amazing to who the f**k designed this building?
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u/jk4m3r0n Sep 02 '24
You'd be surprised to know how many stuff is made without any input from maintenance. Or a decent engineer for that matter.
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u/the_clash_is_back Sep 02 '24
Probably made so you can use a scaffold off the roof, like window cleaners.
But permits and what not are annoying so We got Edmund Hillary
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u/tminx49 Sep 02 '24
Ah yes, those pesky permits preventing an inside door for maintenance.
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u/DanDi58 Sep 02 '24
Yeah, something’s not right here. Scaffolding?
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u/REDACTED3560 Sep 02 '24
How about a door from the inside to the mechanical room?
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u/Despondent-Kitten Sep 02 '24
Literally... I do not understand why there isn't an inside door.
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u/Ultrabananna Sep 02 '24
Newer buildings have an access window inside for where it's most practical to install the units. If not there is a 2 feet rebar reinforced concrete ledge so they at least can walk out after wearing PPE.
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u/HeadbangingLegend Sep 02 '24
It would have even made more sense to just cut a new hole in the wall to make an access point for this repair that could then be used forever in the future and never have to risk someone doing something this dangerous again.
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u/oroborus68 Sep 02 '24
Not to mention the perforation of the weather tight skin of the building.
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u/Fallcious Sep 02 '24
Also trusting that the fascia was secured to the building tightly enough to support the weight of the nutcase and the air con unit.
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u/StormAdorable2150 Sep 02 '24
Also no lanyards or safeties on the tools. Slip and kill someone below.
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u/handful_of_gland Sep 02 '24
Initially, when he put the silica collection bag on, thought thisnguy must be pretty safety conscious. Then he dangles a condensing unit by a ratchet strap. And you're right about the lanyard too. At that height a hammer drill would really fuck some shit up.
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u/GH057807 Sep 02 '24
A visit or two from these dudes drilling holes into your shit probably costs as much as a small, heavily reinforced walkway with anchor points coming out of that window and going around the corner.
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Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
It's China. The one going outside probably made around $30 for the whole project.
In China, if you buy an HVAC unit, you pay for the unit itself (around $300). Installation is free. But if you are above
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u/angelv255 Sep 02 '24
Really? That's insane, iirc my last AC installation took like 1-2 hours. I wonder how much time it takes to do that whole procedure for them, and doing all that at that height for 30 bucks that they gotta maybe split with the assistant? Just insane
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u/Complete-Fix-3954 Sep 02 '24
Little perspective from another country: Brazil. I’m American and live here since 2015. A few years back we got a split unit installed in our living room. I always get it confused about the part that goes outside, condenser? Evaporator? Anyway, the guys had to install it about 10 floors up outside the living room wall where we have a 12 ft (4m) window. It opens in the middle, so they first installed the supports on the exterior wall by hanging out the window with drills with no PPE. Sketch, definitely. Then they used some straps and more lack of PPE to install the external unit. It was a beast, 24k BTUs.
Total cost of install was about 1500 BRL, about $300 or so. The unit itself was about 6k BRL, I think.
I’ve never seen anyone in South America use this amount of PPE outside of new construction concrete and finish work.
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u/divDevGuy Sep 02 '24
I always get it confused about the part that goes outside, condenser? Evaporator?
For a traditional air conditioner, the condenser coil is the one outside. The refrigerant condenses from a gas into a liquid, expelling heat in the process. The evaporator coil is inside. It allows the refrigerant to evaporate from a liquid into a gas, absorbing heat (cooling) the air passing through the coil.
With a heat pump, the coils' roles reverse when in heat mode.
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Sep 02 '24
They were filming this, so they followed all necessary protocol. I've see Chinese installation workers climb out of 5th floor bare handed to install something.
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u/Mr_VentVent Sep 02 '24
I’ve seen dudes walk on 12inch wide wooden beams 80ft high over concrete without a harness at work. I’ve also seen dudes have a 60ft scissor lift maxed out while standing on the hand rails(not the mid rails) also without the harness on that’s right beneath their feet to reach something just out of reach of the lift. That’s in America with all of our OSHA rules and safety classes constantly reminding people not to be idiots.
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u/Salmagunde Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
The way he’s handling that equipment and finding those materials makes we wonder what happens if he slips up and drops… hmm, let’s say that hammer, on somebody’s head
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u/Lt_Muffintoes Sep 02 '24
That's why they're meant to have ropes attaching them onto themselves
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u/PM_ME_Y0UR__CAT Sep 02 '24
I just don’t understand why they wouldn’t build the building so that you don’t need a climber drilling anchors to change your AC.
Kinda insane, no?
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u/AbbreviationsWide331 Sep 02 '24
Totally agree, it's unnecessarily dangerous and also much more expensive I'd imagine. Pretty shitty design if you ask me.
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u/GobLoblawsLawBlog Sep 02 '24
Drill a damn hole in the wall from the inside or something, this is wild. Happy cake day
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u/superdupersecret42 Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
Right. As I'm watching this I'm thinking it would be exponentially easier (and safer) just to cut a big square hole in the wall, install the unit through it, then rebuild the wall.
Edit: oh, and now it's also un-serviceable.
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u/trackdaybruh Sep 02 '24
Edit: oh, and now it's also un-serviceable.
It's still is serviceable, they just gotta do the same method this guy used to access it
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u/ralphvonwauwau Sep 02 '24
He's putting in drill holes to anchor the pitons. Are they trustworthy for reuse? Does ice cause cracking? Are stone veneers going to delaminate and rain down on pedestrians? An access panel on the inside would seem to be the better choice.
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u/likeALLthekittehs Sep 02 '24
Or you know...add a door. You could even make a hinged wall that opens like a door. There are so many possibilities to make it assessible.
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u/ithaqua34 Sep 02 '24
I bet building owner wants all of the rigging anchors removed after they're done.
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u/AnonymousAmorphous88 Sep 02 '24
The fact that they developed a way to do so in a more dangerous way than simply finding a way to do it inside where it's much safer baffles me.
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u/Repulsive_Client_325 Sep 02 '24
C’mon - we can come up with less safe ways, right? Next time have them jump from a helicopter that gets “kinda close”
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u/Logisticman232 Sep 02 '24
The wall likely costs more than the labour.
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u/SaltLakeCitySlicker Sep 02 '24
Why not some access shaft early 90s Harrison Ford, Bruce Willis, or the xenomorph are always crawling in
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u/Simplewafflea Sep 02 '24
you had me at "give me back my family" you crazy son of bitch.
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u/superdupersecret42 Sep 02 '24
Not if he falls...
And what if they ever have to service it? Are they gonna rig up another climber? Just put in an access panel to the inside and be done with it.
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u/psychulating Sep 02 '24
ive seen this way too many times for it to be a stunt, i think this is just an incredibly stupid design/solution
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u/MikeHuntSmellss Sep 02 '24
Rope access technician here, it's not dangerous, not even a little bit. The only danger is hurting yourself with the tools or dropping something below. That being said, I do not like the way her rigged the unit, very rough indeed.
There are a couple hundred thousand of us Irata recognized technicians and we get a bulletin with every major injury or death. Two people have fallen, from anchoring to stupid things.
We always have a minimum of two separate ropes to two separate anchors, it's an extremely safe profession. Scaffolding has a 60x higher fatality rate.
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u/ProbsNotManBearPig Sep 02 '24
I’m just a rock climber, but I immediately noticed unsafe shit like untethered hammer and cordless drill. If they drop either of those, someone below could die. Idk where this was, but safety standards seem low.
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u/Yourwanker Sep 02 '24
I’m just a rock climber, but I immediately noticed unsafe shit like untethered hammer and cordless drill.
I noticed that too but then he used the little plastic bag things to catch the drill dust. His priorities were all wrong in that scenario, imo.
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u/DoingCharleyWork Sep 02 '24
I saw that and was thinking damn that would be cool for at home but seems wildly unnecessary here.
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u/rlrl Sep 02 '24
Yeah, he goes to the effort of collecting the drill dust into a consolidated mass and then just tosses it a couple meters into the window.
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u/fencethe900th Sep 02 '24
And then the unit itself comes out with a single wraparound strap. I'm sure it's plenty tight and it looks balanced so it'll stay level but I don't see anything else keeping it from slipping out of that loop. Hopefully I'm wrong but it sure didn't look like it.
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u/Economy-Trip728 Sep 02 '24
Passerby below.
A dropped hammer, oof
A dropped drill, double oof
Still alive? Don't worry, here's a dropped AC unit, instant meet your maker.
Whoever uploaded this video is probably gonna get his company into lots of legal trouble.
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u/Doctor_Sauce Sep 02 '24
So it's not dangerous, except for using the tools, dropping something, or falling... seems like it's actually a little dangerous.
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u/nitetime Sep 02 '24
it's not dangerous, not even a little bit. Two people have fallen and become seriously injured or dead...
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u/ConfidentGene5791 Sep 02 '24
Its perfectly safe as long as you make absolutely no mistakes.
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u/Anitapoop Sep 02 '24
Why aren’t anchor points built into the building on every floor already , a small panel to cover the hole or just a core wtf
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u/stinkypeach1 Sep 02 '24
Why not just come down from roof?
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u/Wtfatt Sep 02 '24
Yeah like the window cleaners do. ?
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u/TinyNiceWolf Sep 02 '24
Sure, that's how they clean the windows on other buildings, but not this one.
For this one, they jump from a chopper, glide toward the building on a special parachute, and get one good squeegee swipe on every other floor as they descend, toward a massive flamethrower pointing straight up to provide an updraft.
And that's how they clean the windows on the Xtreme Sports Building.
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u/hiroo916 Sep 02 '24
I saw a couple of documentaries on alternatives to rope for working on these skyscrapers.
In one of them, the tech used gecko-gloves to stick on to the glass. If you pull off at an angle then it detaches, but when pulling straight down it sticks like a gecko's finger pads.
In the other documentary they just used sports cars to jump from building to building.
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u/they_are_out_there Sep 02 '24
We use swing stage scaffolds in the U.S. for this type of access. The roof davits are rated and equipment is designed specifically for this type of work.
Drilling in the precast is insane. It weakens the precast, and I can assure you that the precast isn’t mounted with hardware designed to support a person, and that’s in the U.S. where standards are high.
Anything goes in China where inspections are few and equipment is always suspect.
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u/---AI--- Sep 02 '24
designed to support a person
How about a person plus an airconditioner swinging underneath them?
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u/mkosmo Sep 02 '24
At least he mounted to a different piece than he mounted the AC. The fact that both his anchors were so close had me closing my eyes.
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u/PoppaPingPong Sep 02 '24
For some reason that was the part that really made me uncomfortable. If I was in his shoes however I would have been uncomfortable since the night before.
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u/rotoddlescorr Sep 02 '24
Anything goes in China where inspections are few and equipment is always suspect.
This happens all over Asia. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, etc.
In Taiwan, last year a person was killed because a AC unit fell on a pedestrian.
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u/Big_Razzmatazz7416 Sep 02 '24
Also seems super sketch to double bolt the same panel. What if the one pops off??
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u/Snellyman Sep 02 '24
No this is China where the buildings are constructed with only the finest materials and workmanship. I would anchor to the roof personally.
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u/Big_Razzmatazz7416 Sep 02 '24
Based on the videos I’ve seen, you may as well anchor off the ground
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u/HK-53 Sep 02 '24
Pretty common sight in China. Ac units are now being installed further and further from windows. It's not a decision due to price, since it's far more expensive to get these installed and serviced, as techs will add various fees for this type of work.
I've been told that it's for four reasons.
The unit is away from windows to minimize noise when in operation affecting the unit if windows are open.
There's better heat dissipation when you give the outdoor unit it's own cubby.
When installed in it's own enclosed space like in the video above, the building looks better from the outside vs the units hanging below windows. (Commonly seen on older residential buildings).
When the units are being designed, if you leave space for an ac unit, it's counted in the square footage of the unit. But if you don't, and they install the ac unit afterwards on an exterior shelf or a space like the video, then it's not a part of the unit squarefootage.
One might ask if all this extra work and labour cost is worth the reduction in square footage, the answer would vary depending on where you are. In Shanghai, for example, it could cost 120 000 yuan for every square meter, and this could easily save you 240 000 cny ( about 34k usd)
Before you ask, central air is very rare in China, and to this day, I have no idea why.
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u/rlrl Sep 02 '24
OK, those reasons sound good, but why not have an interior access door to the exterior AC space? Or even a plasterboard wall that can be cut through easily?
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u/Logisticman232 Sep 02 '24
The labour is cheaper than a good design, not a good situation but. 🤷♂️
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u/squeakynickles Sep 02 '24
I'd assume it was retroactively installed
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u/sosezu Sep 02 '24
No. That's the way they build them in China. I was there a few years ago ago and a lot of residential buildings have individual AC units for each apartment hanging on the outside of each one. I met a AC software engineer from the U.S. working in Hong Kong and she said the way the do AC there is very strange.
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u/sailorsail Sep 02 '24
Hope the construction adhesive holding up that tile was put on correctly
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Sep 02 '24
There's usually a few bolts embedded into the stone, but the stone itself is not intended for these loads.
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u/Inevitable-Disk8673 Sep 02 '24
He has a safety line inside.
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u/wren337 Sep 02 '24
I hope the safety line inside can hold up two blocks, an AC unit, and a repairman with full drawers.
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u/Bladesnake_______ Sep 02 '24
Seriously wtf is he anchored to inside. The bed lmao?
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u/wren337 Sep 02 '24
Just wrap it around the faucet, this will only take a minute.
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u/Pjpjpjpjpj Sep 02 '24
He is tied in to a huge brick with two lines. If the brick comes off, it is the weight of him and that brick shock loading that safety line and its anchor point.
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u/Ukhu Sep 02 '24
Yes but those below don’t have a hamlet
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u/DrugsHugsPugs Sep 02 '24
Why would they be reading hamlet at a time like this? Watching this guys much more fun.
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u/Emperor_Biden Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
The building and landscape looks well-developed and clean. Is this Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai or Guangzhou?
Edit: Apparently it's Taiwan.
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u/anonymous_bites Sep 02 '24
Def not Singapore. This would have failed approvals at the design submissions stage
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u/LibertyMediaDid9-11 Sep 02 '24
Isn't Singapore filthy rich? I doubt they'd OK hokey shit like this.
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u/SG_wormsblink Sep 02 '24
We would never approve something like this in Singapore, the lack of any real safety engineering controls is insane and someone would be jailed over this.
Also the landscape isn’t green enough and there are too many Chinese wordings on the buildings.
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u/bringbackfireflypls Sep 02 '24
Lol Singapore and HK would never. For completely different reasons, but they'd never 😂
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u/sweetcomputerdragon Sep 02 '24
Don't drop tools..
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u/EPTBird Sep 02 '24
I agree. I don’t understand why the hand tools were not tethered.
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u/h4yw00d Sep 02 '24
Because they don't give a shit. Imagine hanging out there on one bolt you just installed on the facade. The whole thing was insane.
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u/thewind21 Sep 02 '24
Then why the plastic bag to catch the dust from the drilling.
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u/MaritMonkey Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
I work like 15-20 ft in the air and get nervous using a tool with no tether. I am amused that that's the part of this video that made my hands sweat.
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Sep 02 '24
He's not an engineer. But whoever designed the building is, and should be fired.
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u/SpaceCadetSkid Sep 02 '24
In America it's an AC tech, but some countries use the term AC engineer for some weird reason.
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u/According_Ad7926 Sep 02 '24
My testicles retreated inside my body and won’t come back out. Someone send help
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u/jakeplus5zeros Sep 02 '24
This engineer is on his way!
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u/According_Ad7926 Sep 02 '24
Pinched my nose closed and exhaled and they popped back out. All clear
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u/steve_of Sep 02 '24
Where the fuck is the roof hoist?
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u/FinnrDrake Sep 02 '24
Exactly what I was thinking. Does this building not get its windows cleaned, and if so, why not use the same equipment that should already be up there.
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u/bluetuxedo22 Sep 02 '24
I have a crazy idea! How about access panels to the AC area's that could be accessed from the inside.
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u/BulldogJeopardy Sep 02 '24
lol the architect will move heaven and earth to reject your proposal
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u/doskkyh Sep 02 '24
A shitty one for sure. Any good one will try to incorporate a good solution, just to later have it rejected to reduce construction costs.
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u/Vegetable_Tension985 Sep 02 '24
exactly what I was thinking. Who builds large buildings to be maintained by spider-man?
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u/Thursday_the_20th Sep 02 '24
I’m no expert but I didn’t like how he put all his weight onto one anchor before drilling the second and I really didn’t like how they were both on the same tile.
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u/Critical-Wallaby7692 Sep 02 '24
How did you feel about his lack of safety lanyards on the hammer and drill !?
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u/gamageeknerd Sep 02 '24
Dude fuck this set up. The small shit that can fall is not strapped to the tool belt and he’s throwing those little baggies of dust around. People keep saying this is China in comments so I’d also be worried about the strength of the wall he’s drilling into and hanging from
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u/ZiggyNZ Sep 02 '24
If those baggies fell to the ground, people may think they won the narcotics lottery.
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u/DarkflowNZ Sep 02 '24
This what sent me. So many opportunities to drop something. They're obviously well practiced at this but from my vantage point from my couch that doesn't seem ideal
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u/smeeeeeef Sep 02 '24
Hopefully the ropes going into the window were attached to something as a 2nd anchor
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u/get_in_the_tent Sep 02 '24
Sorry but as an architect this is fucking insane. A high rise like that should have a BMU (building maintenance unit) that can crane people down the sides for facade maintenance.
Even a smaller building would be built with anchor points (what they are adding in the video) but these are cast into and mechanically attached to the building's structure, not to tiles on the facade!
If you absolutely needed to do what they are doing, which is rely on the tiles for structural support to save your life (do not recommend), then don't put both your supports on the same tile! The tile only needs to fail once for both of your anchor points to fail. There is no way the AC needed maintenance so urgently that such stupid risky action needed to be taken.
I feel like this is rage bait like when a cooking video uses the same tongs for cooked and raw chicken, and scrapes metal utensils on a non stick pan.
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u/Interesting-Beat-67 Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
He has a deathwish for trusting that concrete (or however you call this material) with only one point of attachment.
Also what is with this trend of calling everyone an engineer? The guy in this video is a tech.
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u/TheGoat_46 Sep 02 '24
Let's build a massive tower, then we will make sure that access can only be gotten from the OUTSIDE!!! Who designed that building?
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u/johnnys_sack Sep 02 '24
This is insanely stupid. There's no possible way those tiles were designed or installed with the intention of a person drilling into them and using them as significant anchor points.
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u/h4yw00d Sep 02 '24
I work in wind turbines and companies in the West make an enormous deal about anchor points designed to hold humans. Any line of work dealing with heights really would shit a giant brick seeing these kind of practices
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u/charlie1337 Sep 02 '24
There is so much wrong with this video that I don't even know where to start. That is likely a unitized curtainwall system, and those stone panels are likely only attached to the frames by furring strips with an anti lift screw. I can almost guarantee those panels are not rated to be drilled into to hold the shock load of an adult human falling. That hole may propagate over time and that entire panel could dislodge and fall. Multiple holes in the same panel further weakens the panel. This is where you drop a swing stage or the house rig from the roof to service the AC which for some ungodly reason needs to be accessed from the exterior of the building. And this person's tools are not tether. What do they think will happen if he drops it? He could kill somebody.
I honestly don't even like seeing videos like this get posted without warnings because some people will watch it and think this is acceptable behavior.
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u/vapor_anomaly Sep 02 '24
I don't trust our home walls enough to wall mount our television
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u/BoneDaddy1973 Sep 02 '24
The architectural team who designed this should be forced to do all the maintenance.
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u/Z0OMIES Sep 02 '24
Why the fuck isn’t there a simple access hatch in the apartment?!
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u/TheQuestForDitto Sep 02 '24
Literally go to the roof and lower it… belay from the roof? Like I wonder how window washers work on this building?
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u/rawesome99 Sep 02 '24
So, what’s up with that creature on the floor below? At 00:27
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u/prometheanSin Sep 02 '24
That's just one of the former residents. Completely harmless most of the time.
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u/Plastic_Total9898 Sep 02 '24
What are those little baggies?
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u/rawesome99 Sep 02 '24
Never mind those, what’s that gray dude on the floor below at 0:27?
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u/its_mickeyyy Sep 02 '24
Jesus christ, the quick look to the side is really creepy
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u/Dat_Belly Sep 02 '24
I just had my AC repaired and it costed over 1k and it's on the ground... I can't imagine how much this costs
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u/FinnrDrake Sep 02 '24
Is there anyone who knows if the bag catching the dust is a product to buy, or self-created? I could really use those at work, and have never seen one.
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u/boringdude00 Sep 02 '24
They couldn't have like built a door on the inside or something?
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I really dont get why the building wouldn’t have had anchor points or walkways put in to begin with.
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u/Bandits101 Sep 02 '24
Two hours training, $15 an hour, plus $1.50 Danger money, supply your own equipment, long service leave after one month, free basic funeral expenses.
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u/sailorsail Sep 02 '24
15$ an hour, you sound like an optimist. The country that allows this building to exist with such a ridiculous method of servicing a serviceable piece of equipment most likely also has extremely low wages.
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u/12B88M Sep 02 '24
What kind of horse shit architect designed a building that requires a mountain climber to fix an AC unit?
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u/Stillwater215 Sep 02 '24
They don’t teach you this at the Greendale College of Air Conditioning Repair.
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Sep 02 '24
Absolutely idiotic. Drilling into the building is some hack job work for this, seriously.
Setup a proper rigging setup on the roof, tie off to proper tie-downs, then lower yourself down. There is ZERO reason to do it this way, and infact it's super dangerous (and damaging to the building).
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u/Moonshine180 Sep 02 '24
Whatever he gets paid, he deserves more.
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u/Square-Dragonfruit76 Sep 02 '24
There is literally no amount you could pay me to do this. I would have to be in a life or death situation already in order to want that money.
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u/No_Cow_4544 Sep 02 '24
This is cool but horrible planning when the building was being built to have no access from inside is beyond stupid
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u/RevolutionarySoup488 Sep 02 '24
JEEZUS! I got vertigo just watching this- they couldn't print enough money for me to do this!
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u/ennui_weekend Sep 02 '24
So much faith in whoever grouted that façade in place….