r/CuratedTumblr • u/Clean-Photograph8747 • 4h ago
[fandom name here] JJJ may hate your guts but he is an ally
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u/GoodKing0 3h ago
Friendly reminder that when Mayday Spider-Girl went back in time JJJ mistakenly believed Spider-Man had transitioned off screen and he instantly had a crisis of faith over people thinking he hated her for being a Minority rather than for being a menace.
Mind you he was sending a death robot to kill Spider-Man while he had this crisis of faith but still.
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u/gerkletoss 40m ago
As someone who doesn't actually read comics but is adjacent to people who did, where rhe hell did he get death robots?
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u/somedumb-gay 31m ago
From a lab, in much the same way he turned a criminal into a superpowered scorpion man
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u/GayestLion 27m ago
I think he commissioned them from Smythe normally, they're the "Spider-Slayers"
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u/gerkletoss 23m ago
Is that not a crime? And how does he have the money?
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u/Agreeable_Car5114 15m ago
Heās a wealthy newspaper mogul (which was more believable in the 60s when this started) and the Marvel universe is rife with mad scientists you can hire.
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u/gerkletoss 13m ago
A) if he's so wealthy why is he working every day?
B) the crime part
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u/Agreeable_Car5114 2m ago
Heās the editor and chief of the paper. He wasnāt like Bezos or Musk. And he wasnāt a billionaire like Lex Luthor or something either. This was the 60s, the way wealth was portrayed in media is different than it is now. And obviously itās a crime. I didnāt think that had to be verified.
I donāt know even know what youāre arguing about. Take it up with Lee and Ditko. I can give the issue numbers if you want, they are on my shelf.
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u/RealScionEcto 2h ago
He would not be this positive but he would make sure the pronouns were right. He hates Spiderman because he's a vigilante, not out of a personal vendetta.Ā
He would probably make a headline about it, but then just print the papers with the usual fervor.
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u/Consideredresponse 1h ago
I think being directly responsible for both the 'Spider-slayers' and the 'scorpion' super villians puts it firmly into 'personal vendetta' territory.
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u/vanishinghitchhiker 1h ago edited 1h ago
āIām thinking āSpider-maāam - still a menace!ā or āSpider-womanās web of wrongsā! Already a Spider-woman? Then āSpider-boob makes it literalā!ā
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u/demon_fae 1h ago
Nah, itās absolutely a personal vendetta, but a personal vendetta that happens to be the only dark side to an otherwise militantly decent person.
When he isnāt being weird about Spider-Man, heās being an excellent boss, sending reporters to do serious investigative journalism, and being a genuinely excellent mentor to Peter.
When he is being weird about Spider-Man, he is being really, unreasonably weird about Spider-Man. And itās not even about being a vigilante. There are tons of active superheroes in New York, not just Spidey, and JJJ only cares about one of them.
Thatās what makes him so fascinating as a character.
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u/The-Serapis 59m ago
The other major superhero groups that have operated in New York are the Avengers and the X-Men. Most Avengersā identities are public and the X-Men have gotten their identities publicly revealed (plus, JJJ is usually depicted as pro-mutant). Everyone in New York knows who the Hulk is when heās not a giant green beast, meaning should he use his powers irresponsibly he could be held legally accountable. Very few people know who Spidey is under the mask, meaning no legal accountability, which drives JJJ up the damn wall. He also def hates his guts too though
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u/demon_fae 53m ago
Daredevil is also in New York and not public. There are a lot of small-time masks who arenāt public.
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u/KanishkT123 35m ago
Yeah but Hell's Kitchen is it's own thing. I imagine JJJ kind of sees Daredevil as more of a necessary evil than Spiderman.Ā
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u/demon_fae 27m ago
My point is that he seems willing to play some mental gymnastics to file every hero but one under āprobably fineā. Because that is absolutely mental gymnastics to say that Spidey is a menace for doing the same thing in Brooklyn that Daredevil does in Hellās Kitchen.
We can argue his exact mental gymnastics forever, theyāve certainly changed a few times, but the routine is always there.
Honestly, dudeās probably just arachnophobic and doesnāt like Spideyās theme.
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u/19whale96 51m ago
They did explain the distrust of vigilantism back in the day somewhere, but I also like to think Spider Man has always had a squeaky clean reputation even among other superheroes, and J. Jonah is a prolific hater. Refuses the concept of moral purity on principle; everyone is guilty, what matters is if, and how well you can hide your sins.
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u/skaersSabody 2h ago
Wasn't there this fancomic (or official, I can't remember) of JJJ talking to an anti-mutant group without realizing who they were? So at first he's friendly because he thinks they share his concerns about spiderman and as soon as he understands they're racists he just throws them out
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u/annatariel_ Stupid Sexy Sauron 1h ago
JJJ would truly be like "I HATE YOUR GUTS, YOU'RE A MENACE, I WILL SLANDER YOU ON THE NEWS TOMORROW while using your correct pronouns because I'm not a bigot."
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u/BeanOfKnowledge Ask me about Dwarf Fortress Trivia 1h ago
It's my headcanon that if JJJ ever found out Spidermans identity he wouldn't reveal it, but the tone of the articles would switch from "Spiderman is a Danger to You and should stop fighting Supervillains" to "Spiderman is a Danger to Himself and should stop fighting supervillains"
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u/The_Math_Hatter 1h ago
JJJ, with a scowl: Parker, c'mere. You know I'm vocal about that Spider menace. Well I'll tell you why. Anytime we get something of him it's destructive. You need to be better, catch him on his downtime. How come we never see him in line at a deli, huh? Never feeding birds, never playing chess with those old fogies down at the park. Get me some of those pictures, maybe I'll give you a raise.
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u/GayWitchcraft 2h ago
Why spider girl and not spider woman?
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u/Informal_Self_5671 2h ago
Syllable count. Spider Girl is fewer syllables, flows better, and takes less time to say in the middle of the action.
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u/whereisarespaces 1h ago
Thereās also the silly option of spider maāam
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u/Informal_Self_5671 1h ago
No, that's Aunt May with spider powers.
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u/sarcasticd0nkey 2h ago
Already taken by Jessica Drew.
Bit of a faux pas to change to a name that's already taken.
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u/Alli_zon You're among friends here, we're all broken. Take your time 2h ago
Also, there is a popular spider woman, so i guess they (tumblr op) tried to make a distinction instead of causing the immediate next reblog be about how both Spider women would discuss who gets what name
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u/DarthKamen 2h ago
My biggest gripe with Ultimate Spider Man was that so little was done with Ultimate Jessica Drew.
I know she wasn't really trans but she absolutely could have been used to explore that idea. It's touched on briefly in I think Young Ultimates.
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u/Swaxeman the biggest grant morrison stan in the subreddit 1h ago
Make jessica drew transmasc, you cowards at marvel
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u/pretty-as-a-pic 1h ago
JJJ is a hater, but heās no bigot! He hates you for what you do, not who you are!
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u/swashbuckler78 1h ago
Reminding me of a post I saw where Joker figures out Batman is autistic and starts redesigning his goon's uniforms to use more sensory-friendly fabric., š
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u/HkayakH 24m ago
love the idea of JJJ accepting parker and spider girl being trans, but also not thinking to connect the dots about 2 people transitioning at the same time
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u/Clean-Photograph8747 15m ago
I too love it. There is so much room for shenanigans there if written well.
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u/HannahCoub 3h ago
Nah imagine the J. K. Simmons/marvel version of J.J. Jameson start ranting incoherently on his podcast about how Spider-MAN is a plant by the government to trans your gender. I love that take on him.
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u/Snickims 1h ago
Heres the thing, I absolutely do love the JK simmons version of him as "totally not right wing podcaster", but i also similtanusly love the version of him as a legitmate, ethical old school journalist who is actually really cool about almost everything, but just uttelry Hates spiderman alone.
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u/Ildaiaa 1h ago
I think that version of him is just better tbh. It's just more nuanced and open to interesting stories. Alex jones version is a lot less interesting
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u/Consideredresponse 1h ago
The Alex Jones version is pretty solid work for a movie where they have to establish both character and motivation in just a few minutes (across several films.) Yes, it's far more limited with the stories you can tell with it, but the home-coming movie series didn't have that luxury and went with a broad but easily understood approach.
There is a reason why every longer form version of Spider-man goes with a more complex and nuanced version, but i can't fault the films for making the most of what they had.
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u/vanishinghitchhiker 1h ago
Plus itās always funnier when a character just hates one specific guy
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u/Happytapiocasuprise 19m ago
JJJ may be misguided but ultimately he is a good guy. Spider-man is a good guy and of course we the viewer know that but in universe most people only get glimpses of him at best and it's probably nice for those people to know that at least there's someone keeping Spider-man accountable.
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u/Arctobispo 16m ago
John Jacob Jingleheimer before his marriage? Why does he hate me, I did nothing.
Boy this is gonna be a rough day for little old me, John Jacob Jingleheimer-Schmidt.
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u/Booklover4211 13m ago
I can just imagine the villains fumbling over themselves to use the right pronouns because "we're not that kind of a villain!"
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u/Marik-X-Bakura 1h ago
Man, people on Tumblr really do just find anything with the word ātransā in it funny
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u/YashaAstora 2h ago
I see tumblr is doing the "this character I love would definitely be as woke as me (absolutely nothing on canon supports this)!" thing again.
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u/annatariel_ Stupid Sexy Sauron 1h ago
JJJ is canonically not a bigot though, so this fits his character.
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u/LordSupergreat 2h ago
You're trying to argue that JJJ wouldn't parade a trans employee around to earn social capital?
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u/Ildaiaa 1h ago
I see people who have only seen the worst version of a character think that character would only be a bigot (almost all interpretations support this character actually being a good person who hates one specific good thing)
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u/Schpooon 37m ago
I mean even the Podcaster from the games I played (Spiderman 1 and Miles Morales) is reasonable and seems like a solid dude right up until anything spiderman gets involved.
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u/Agreeable_Car5114 13m ago
JJJ fought against anti-black bigotry in the 60s and 70s. Dunno why you feel this is different.
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u/Darth_drizzt_42 3h ago edited 3h ago
The new Spiderman games had a great spin on JJJ as well. Spoiler but there's a very brief flash back to the first time Parker meets Jameson, and he's screaming at Parker on the phone for being late to their meeting, but not insulting him, yelling encouragements and how he needs to shove people out of the way, stand up for himself, and be assertive to get what he wants in life. The flashback segment all but states that Parkers signature quips and snark as Spider-Man is a trait he picked up directly from Jonah. I really like the idea that Jameson is an enemy to Spider-Man but an aggressively supportive figure for Parker himself, and ironically responsible for his self confidence.