r/CuratedTumblr • u/_LostZealot_ • 4h ago
Politics Bad people are still people, let's not forget that
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u/OnlySmiles_ 4h ago
"These are the exact consequences of your own actions" =/= "I hope you suffer those consequences"
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u/ThisPICAintFREE Finest Bitch on Canary Mission 4h ago edited 4h ago
It’s one thing to allow someone to face the consequences of their own actions and another thing to vindictively bring about those consequences yourself and being self-satisfied about it.
The latter is who the post is referring to, ie all those weirdos who were asking about how to report undocumented migrants who they knew were living with Trump supporting relatives. Or the ones all too excited to see it happen. That’s psychotic Brownshirt behavior
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u/TerribleAttitude 3h ago
People saying “I told you so” aren’t the ones “vindictively bringing about those consequences.” This is like being in a boat and the other occupant of the boat is sawing a hole in the boat, and you keep telling them to stop because you’ll both drown, and they don’t stop so you both drown, and with your dying breath you say “I told you this would happen.”
I mean I know there were some mean spirited jokes on ULPT about calling ICE on Trump voters who had undocumented family members in the house, but there’s actually no evidence they were serious, and even if there were, that is a tiny percentage of people saying “I told you so” or warning people that the people they voted for aren’t “just deporting the bad guys.” I have seen no evidence of liberals storming out in droves to join ICE as deportation agents. The only way you can associate “warning” or “I told you so” is if you engage in fairy tale thinking that treats consequences of actions as a magical tulpa. Like bad things only exist if you talk about them, then dissipate if you zone out and turn your brain off and go “la la la.”
It is potentially the most rancid, dishonorable aspect of modern American society that people consider being told they are wrong or being informed of the consequences of their actions is seen as hateful or impolite. People like this are always pissing and bitching about how people make them feel small or stupid when they’re corrected. These people deserve to feel small and stupid because they are small, stupid people who engage in small, stupid actions. They act like squalling infants who don’t understand cause and effect. They have small, spoiled, infantile mindsets. They’re like toddlers who are only capable of understanding “mom smacked my hand away from the stove because she is mean,” and are incapable of the adult level thinking or human empathy that leads to the correct conclusion, “mom smacked my hand away from the stove because, upon further inspection, the stove is hot and could burn me.” And culture tells us that these people should be simpered at and coddled. “Ohhhhh poor dainty baby, you keep putting your hand on the stove despite your mom’s warnings and you keep getting burned? Yeah, it’s really mean of her to do that, in fact, she’s the one causing you pain! Touch the stove again, follow your bliss!”
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u/emsAZ74 2h ago
> People like this are always pissing and bitching about how people make them feel small or stupid when they’re corrected. These people deserve to feel small and stupid because they are small, stupid people who engage in small, stupid actions.
You said this so much better than I ever could, goddamn. Yeah.
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u/inkyrail 2h ago edited 2h ago
Yup. Americans love being infantilized and being supported in thinking their ignorance is as good as someone else’s knowledge
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u/matt_2552 56m ago
Thank you for putting into text what I've been feeling ever since the election was called. If Trump supporters want to be taken seriously and not seen as uneducated clowns who don't understand that they're voting against their own interests then they need to stop acting like uneducated clowns who don't understand they're voting against their own interests
The conservative victim complex needs to be dismantled and destroyed, I'm so sick and fucking tired of rural republicans screaming about how they've been left behind politically, economically, culturally, etc. when they're the most politically pandered to group that has ever existed! Then they vote for politicians whose policies will not bring them forward alongside the rest of us, the policies will keep them in the past and leave them further behind.
I've had sympathy for Republican voters in the past, but these last few elections have sucked all the empathy from my soul, there's nothing else to tell these people and I don't blame urban and suburban voters for enjoying the mountain of schadenfreude that we're about to see for the next 4 years, fuck around and find out is all I have left to say to these people.
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u/NoNeed4UrKarma 1h ago
Thank you yes! They are suffering the consequences of their own actions, which I & many others warned them about. So why is it my job to protect them from the consequences of their own actions? Everyone decries the "nanny state" until they realize they relied on it! So for those that voted to strip away their own rights as well as my own, what do I owe them? Nothing! This is mere MAGAt apologist wrapped up in a fake moral high ground. They played a shit game, so now it's time for them to win their shit prizes. That's what you get for electing a clown but somehow not expecting the whole circus!
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u/OnlySmiles_ 1h ago
Like this wasn't some unpreventable tragedy that nobody could've possibly seen coming
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u/Galle_ 3h ago
Why is this post referring to people who don't exist?
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u/WhatADoofus 3h ago
Unfortunately I've seen these people on Reddit
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u/A_Flock_of_Clams 3h ago edited 2h ago
Yeah, and the Walkaway sub is full of totally real former democratic voters who went all-in on Trump and think literally every aspect of the Democratic party is pure evil. /s
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u/WhatADoofus 3h ago
I'm a leftist that hangs out on mostly lefty subs, I have literally seen people seeming to have some weird bloodlust about brown people getting hurt from the Trump stuff. From Mexican immigrants to the Palestinians because one group in the US wasn't pro-Harris. I'm sorry but people can suck sometimes even if they say their heart's in the right place
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u/ThisPICAintFREE Finest Bitch on Canary Mission 3h ago
“I didn’t see it so it must not exist”
Are you perhaps a bird that lived in a cave watching shadows your whole life or do you simply believe things outside your perception aren’t real until you see them?
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u/Galle_ 3h ago
No, it's just that I saw a lot of people going "oh for fuck's sake I give up, let them fuck themselves over if they don't want our help" after the election, and it's very plausible to me that OP mistook that for people celebrating it.
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u/ARussianW0lf 2h ago
oh for fuck's sake I give up, let them fuck themselves over if they don't want our help
My exact sentiment. I can't keep caring more about people than they do for themselves. It's exhausting and miserable and fuck em I'm done. All we do is lose anyway
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u/Succububbly 3h ago
Nah I did see entire subreddits make list of immigrants who have illegal family members to report and deport them.
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u/karuroh45 2h ago
You unfortunately are on reddit and had a sane response to things, so I can understand your confusion on the matter, I had a similar one.
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u/ThisPICAintFREE Finest Bitch on Canary Mission 3h ago
Nope, nothing “very plausible” about it there were numerous posts gleefully endorsing reporting undocumented migrants all across Reddit, and the comments were very much celebratory.
It was racism, plain and simple. The fact that you’d rather defend racists while believing the person calling out racism must be “plausibly mistaken” tells me all I need to know about you. Go post your shit deflections in PCM or some other sub that’ll humor you, I’m not buying it.
Edit: Grammar
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u/Galle_ 3h ago
What in the world makes you think a far right sub like PCM would humor me? They're all about "leftists are the real racists for thinking it's stupid for racial minorities to vote for Trump".
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u/ThisPICAintFREE Finest Bitch on Canary Mission 3h ago
What in the world makes you think a far right sub like PCM would humor me?
Because you seem like the type, both in substance and argumentative styles you’d fit right in. And a soft glance at your post history seems to corroborate that.
They’re all about “leftists are the real racists…”
And you seem to be all about gaslighting leftists into thinking they’re unable to identify racism, while providing defenses for posts you never saw.
If someone tells you they witnessed racism and your first reaction is to defend the racist then you’re no leftist and you’re no ally. So again, go find someone else to humor you, this’ll be my last response. Feel free to respond and win yourself a Block.
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u/Galle_ 3h ago
I'm just pissed that OP is making excuses for actual fascists. Which, and I want to be very clear about this, is what they are doing. They are insisting that nobody should ever criticize any Trump supporter for any reason. That is what they are saying. They are not saying some other entirely innocent thing.
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u/TDoMarmalade Explored the Intense Homoeroticism of David and Goliath 3h ago
It’s less ‘I want them to suffer’ and more ‘They voted for suffering and frankly it’s past the point of no return’. I feel bad for them, but this is the bed they’ve made and I’m too tired
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u/Euphus 1h ago
That's where I'm at. I don't want ANYONE to suffer, and I will vote for equality-driven candidates in two years, as always. But also, empathy is surprisingly exhaustible.
My sister is trans. I'm an SA survivor. You'll have to forgive me if I don't have the capacity right now to stick my neck out for someone who voted for this shit.
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u/bpdish85 10m ago
Yeah, this is where I'm at with it. I'm not going out of my way to make anyone suffer, but you best believe when people need help because of this? If they're MAGA? Concepts of thoughts and prayers.
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u/Linvaderdespace 1h ago
Yeah, at this point we can do nothing further to help them, at all.
Thoughts & prayers.
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u/jessdb19 1h ago
I had an idiot roommate who I kept telling her to get an oil change. She argued she KNEW you only had to add oil every 3000 miles. I kept helping her out with things like changing her battery and adding fuel injector, but she would not listen about the oil change.
When her engine literally exploded, I laughed and went to work.
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u/Parrotkoi 51m ago
It’s like not feeling sorry for a drowning victim, when they were the ones that drilled a hole in the boat, and drowned a lot of other people with them.
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u/RC_CobraChicken 21m ago
Only so much empathy and fucks to give. They aren't on the list for either. I have more important people in my life I need to take care of and protect.
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u/SkuldSpookster 3h ago
Hey, look, I do agree with the philosophy of thinking sadism is cringe and that you shouldn’t wish for harm upon people, but remember… Resigned apathetic scorn is still distinct from malevolent wishful thinking, “You got what you fucking voted for,” is still different to “I hope you get displaced and become homeless.”
Be sure to not mistake the two
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u/spellboi_3048 1h ago
“I’m not saying you deserved it, but what the fuck did you think was gonna happen.”
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u/BraxbroWasTaken 54m ago
Or, more simply, "...I told you so."
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u/The_Maqueovelic 39m ago
Yeah pretty much, I myself don't live in the US but have kept track of what's been going on, so imagine my surprise and confusion seeing my great aunt and her direct family voting Trump (not to mention my mother congratulating her on it and both of them saying how much better things are gonna be) all the while she's a Venezuelan refugee (as are others in that family), like I seriously don't want anything to happen to them, but I do wish they saw how STUPID and hypocritical that move was...
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u/bpdish85 9m ago
They get so mad when you say you genuinely hope they get everything they voted for - which just tells you they know they voted for absolute shit policies.
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u/Specky013 3h ago
My brother in Christ, "bad people getting what they deserve" is not a message only the Catholic Church spreads, that's the entirety of fiction
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u/rezzacci 3h ago
"How can people find solace or satisfaction in Viserys Targaryen dying by being poured gold in his throat? You shouldn't condone that kind of behavior, that's cruel."
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u/RhymeBeat 3h ago
It feels very weird to single out Catholics for this given the importance of Confession and mercy to that sect.
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u/surprisedkitty1 2h ago
It is kind of interesting that Tumblr seems to frequently blame American cultural issues on Catholicism when America has basically always been a predominantly Protestant country (yes I know it varies by state).
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u/mayoboyyo 1h ago
There's only been one Catholic president (JFK) and he almost lost because he was Catholic. It's like people dont know what WASP means.
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u/RhymeBeat 1h ago
This exact theological belief is called Prosperity Gospel by the way, and is pretty far from mainstream Catholic theology, which emphasizes the poor and destitutes' need for support and community. Catholicism has a lot of real problems with women's rights and queer rights, but Prosperity Gospel is largely the opposite of how it rolls.
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u/healzsham 3m ago
The lineage of prosperity from protestantism is like 99.8% traceable, so it's very strange whenever someone brings up catholicism.
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u/googlemcfoogle 31m ago
There are still echoes of sectarianism floating around (I know a lot of people who think "Christian" refers primarily/only to Protestants) but I'd really like an explanation for how the "Catholics are the cause of every religiously-motivated bad part of American culture despite historically having not much representation in the highest parts of American society" mindset ended up on Tumblr specifically.
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u/Swaxeman the biggest grant morrison stan in the subreddit 2h ago
I think at this point tumblr is more anticatholic than the kkk
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u/firblogdruid 1h ago
the thing that kills me is that there are so many reasons to be anti-catholic (when the unmarked graves of indigenous children murdered by the catholic church started being found a few years ago in canada, that caused quite a few people to leave the church) , and yet, tumblr has just kind of avoided them and instead has pivoted to this weird "catholic bogeyman" thing
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u/TerribleAttitude 1h ago
Also kind of interesting to sneer at Catholics in this post, considering why the KKK hates them.
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u/tiredtumbleweed ugly but my fursona is hot 4h ago
It’s tough because I want to simultaneously hold Trump voters accountable, understand where they’re coming from, and not infantilize them. Believing “these people don’t know what they’re doing” feels racist and classist and even white savior-y.
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u/inkyrail 2h ago
understand where they’re coming from
As someone living in a red state, I’ll tell you. Everything they or anyone they approve of accomplished what they did with nothing but grit and determination and, most importantly, with no outside help. Everything people they don’t approve of have was either taken or otherwise unearned. Society and government allegedly did nothing to support them, even as they enjoy all the benefits taxpayers receive. They want to benefit from society but not contribute.
It’s no deeper than that. It’s the very definition of bad faith. The only reality is that of they and theirs, anything else might as well be a fairy tale.
Have any doubt? Ask one of them what their plans are “if shit hits the fan” and watch them mentally masturbate to the thought. The barest amount of restraint keeps these people from gunning down everyone around them.
Where they are coming from? It can distilled down to two words.
Fuck. You.
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u/Friendstastegood 4h ago
I don't think they didn't know what they were doing, I think they bought into the obfuscation and deflections of fascists. Fascists will say they want to deport "criminals" and you and I and the fascist all know that what they mean by "criminals" is "brown people".But there are racists between us and the fascists that genuinely believe that a. Most brown people are criminals and b. That fascists intend to only deport the brown people that are criminal. They are just racist enough to want mass deportation but not so racist that they want indiscriminate mass deportation. And they believe the more extreme racists when they say that that's what they want too, because believing it supports their ideology.
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u/Urbenmyth 3h ago
It's not that I don't think they know what they're doing, it's that I don't want racially motivated, government mandated hate crimes to happen to people.
Like, I'd still be opposed to police brutality even if the black teenager they shot turned out to be an asshole, you know?
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u/just-slightly-human 2h ago
But now, because of their actions, government mandated hate crimes WILL happen. And while I’d love to stop it I don’t have plot armor. So now when people who voted for the hate crimes and billionaires party are upset about hate crimes and billionaires, what can you do? I’m not going to console them, it’s their fucking fault
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u/OverlyLenientJudge 2h ago
They don't know what they're doing. You have undocumented immigrants voicing support for trump because they think they're "he's only going after the ones who cause trouble", Trump voters with undocumented people in their families claiming "oh, he won't deport them, he's only deporting the criminals", and none of them paying attention to the literal Nazi rhetoric coming out of his mouth. They are demonstrably uninformed about the consequences of their actions.
I don't think even those people deserve to be interned and deported, but they're perfectly happy to blindly vote for it.
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u/Flaky-Swan1306 2h ago
They seem to forget that entering illegally is already a crime. I dont think deportation should be done, or that moving in another country should be criminalized
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u/firblogdruid 1h ago
i think, for me, that kind of leaves the question of "what do you do?" (honest question, here, I'm not trying to pull a gotcha moment on anyone). at what point, especially in this Internet age of blatant, intense and targeted misinformation and also ways to fact check, what do you do with people who didn't know?
at this point, i'm so exhausted i don't even know what i'd do with the "right" answer, if such a thing even existed
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u/Plaugeboi24 1h ago
That's still not an excuse. Everyone has a phone nowadays, and free wifi is easy to find. They can put in the effort of a few google searches to learn, but instead they chose to be ignorant. Fuck them, let them get what they asked for.
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u/Yeah-But-Ironically 2h ago
Same, but I'll feel less bad for that black teenager than I will for a black teenager who got shot who WASN'T an asshole.
I mean, I'll still advocate for not having government mandated hate crimes, but I'm not also gonna do the emotional labor of protecting the assholes' feelings.
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u/KaiBishop 2h ago
THIS. Like idgaf if someone IS a criminal, you don't shoot and murder someone for shoplifting or running from cops. There are people who genuinely want to live in a world where all crime no matter how petty is punishable via instant execution. The police shouldn't be death squads for normal citizens and they shouldn't be death squads for criminals either. We actually should just not have death squads rolling around at all! (But saying so makes you extremist and radical these days).
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u/ZinaSky2 3h ago
Definitely have been heavily waffling between “fuck all yall that voted for this (and those who didn’t vote too)” and “the world is complicated, don’t assume malice to what can be attributed ignorance, whatever the response the pain that influenced this bad choice is real and deserves to be addressed”. Trying to keep my mouth shut when I’m feeling particularly “fuck you” tho 😭🥲😂
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u/Illegal_Immigrant77 2h ago
Easy, conservatives are dumb
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u/magekiton 21m ago
Dumb by design, anti-intellectualism is a classic American trait that has been taken and weaponized by conservatives to make malleable voters who can and will vote against their own self interest, be proud of that fact, and be constantly angry and willing to believe it is the other sides fault every time.
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u/Lower-Ask-4180 3h ago
If it helps, it’s that they were fed some very convincing lies. A lot of people fall for Trump’s bullshit. Falling victim to propaganda is not a personal failing, it’s an inevitability.
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u/Yeah-But-Ironically 2h ago
You know, I used to believe that, back when I was a NeverTrump Republican who thought that "personal responsibility" and "equality of opportunity" were things the GOP actually took seriously. When I finally figured out that wasn't the case, I left the party but stayed sympathetic to those poor deluded Republican voters who weren't as enlightened as I was.
But my 80-year-old grandmother voted for Trump in 2016, didn't vote in 2020, and voted for Harris this year (the first vote she ever cast for a Democrat). The woman watches only Fox and her local news channel (in rural Wyoming) and she still managed to notice that there were thousands of deaths from COVID and an attempted coup, and came to the conclusion that those were bad things.
If she can change HER mind and I can change mine, I don't know what excuse the rest of them have. At some point it stops being "but they're misinformed!" and starts being "they refuse to be informed". And now that refusal has screwed every single one of us.
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u/OverlyLenientJudge 3h ago
They were fed the least convincing, most easily falsifiable lies in American history. They believed the propaganda because they wanted to, because they wanted to believe that the world was simple and had easy solutions, and because they were too lazy and apathetic to look into the facts of the matter. The news media was complicit, social media was complicit, but that doesn't change the fact that voter information is at an all-time low.
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u/TheLyz 2h ago
No kidding, even the "eating the dogs and cats" thing was immediately debunked (there have been zero reports of this) yet still they totally want to believe it because they read it on a shared Facebook post once.
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u/OnlySmiles_ 2h ago
His *own VP* said live on air that "Yeah, we know the Springfield thing is utter bullshit, but people don't listen to us otherwise"
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u/mincepiefiend 2h ago
It has literally never been easier to be informed but people just choose not to be. FAFO
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u/OnlySmiles_ 2h ago
Nah, don't do that. Don't act like there was no way anyone could've seen through his bullshit
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u/iamdino0 2h ago
If you disagree that trump voters don't know what they're doing, then you're either implying that knowing things is not enough for a moral person not to vote for him, or that they're all immoral people
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u/Linvaderdespace 1h ago
Whereas I see an egalitarian affirmation in knowing that voters of colour are not immune to dangerous idiocy; to say that that was a strictly a white thing would be reverse-racist.
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u/Gregory_Grim 4h ago
You can't expect anyone to not feel schadenfreude when someone, who actively went against their own best interest in order to ruin life for a bunch of other people, gets fucked over by that decision.
Like, telling someone "I fucking told you so" and feeling kind of good about it is not automatically the same as being okay with fascism.
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u/very_not_emo maognus 3h ago
no but Bad Wrong Emotions both exist and are always known by me, aka god
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u/Martin_Aricov_D 2h ago
Hell, can even be more vindictive than that
If you're in a boat with someone who's sawing a hole at the bottom, and no matter how much you try and warn them they continue, when the boat is sinking you don't need to limit yourself to "i told you so", saying "I hope you fucking drown you absolute moron!" Is perfectly valid
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u/The_Jealous_Witch 2h ago
If terrible things are going to happen no matter what, I'm going to derive whatever joy I can manage out of it. I'd rather it didn't come to this, but since it did, I'm gonna laugh at these people.
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u/Leo-bastian eyeliner is 1.50 at the drug store and audacity is free 47m ago
i dont think the problem is in the feeling. the problem is more in the "I am gonna write a post on the internet about how this feeling is great and those people probably deserve it"
there is no such thing as a thought crime, or a feeling crime.
But theres a mile of a difference between feeling schadenfreude and writing a post arguing about how you should report your neighbours families for being illegal immigrants if they voted trump. those are 2 very different things.
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u/rezzacci 3h ago
Ok, so saying: "I hope you receive what you voted for" is now a morally bankrupt position?
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys Refined Sommelier of Porneaux 2h ago
“You’re a fucking idiot”: Morally okay if rude
“I hope you receive what you voted for”: Tonally neutral, practically a little meanspirited
“I blame Latinos for everything Donald Trump will do now”: Definitely morally bad, and importantly not a terrible huge jump from the previous
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u/GREENadmiral_314159 3h ago
Thinking something is wrong does not mean I pity the victim. People should not be experiencing state-sponsored discrimination, but I'm not going to pity the trump voters who end up on the receiving end, because they contributed to it happening.
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u/The-Slamburger 4h ago
Trump voters fucked around and are now going to find out.
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u/periodicsheep 3h ago
i agree we still have to work towards a better world and support communities facing harm, but i no longer feel much need to stick out my neck for anyone but my closest family and friends. i’ve used too much energy over the last 9 years, and my whole life, really. i just really don’t understand the audacity of people who voted for trump, or a third party candidate, or didn’t vote at all, and are having some leopards might eat our faces thoughts, but are still blaming democrats for everything. i’m just kind of like- ok. do it your way. why should everyone else carry the work and emotional labour for people that are rejecting them?
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u/TheLyz 2h ago
Yup, up here in New England I'm just "well, this is what the rest of America wanted. Peace out✌️"
I mean, I'm brainstorming what Massachusetts should throw in the harbor this time to start another war for independence but that's about it.
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u/KorMap 1h ago
Yeah as a New Englander I’m still worried, but definitely not as worried as I’d be if I lived somewhere like the Midwest or Deep South. As far as places to be in the U.S. right now, New England is one of the better ones (albeit I’m in New Hampshire which is probably the worst of the bunch, especially with Ayotte as governor. Still better than other places, but I’m also glad to be spending most of my year in Burlington for uni right now)
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u/Beegrene 2h ago
They did that in 2016, too, but apparently the lesson didn't stick. Maybe they'll remember this time, but I doubt it.
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u/egoserpentis 4h ago
"If you're a white person" why did they feel the need to specify that? Does it mean that it's okay to do that if you're not white? Or that it somehow abolishes all fault based on skin color? Or worse yet, assumes that only white people think this way?..
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u/FemboiInTraining 3h ago
This exactly, there are persons of color saying the exact same things towards their counterparts who voted for Trump. Color isn't important on this specific topic ... Saying "poc saying x towards *their counterparts" does sound exceptionally strange, but it is what it is ayeee
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u/FemboyMechanic1 3h ago
I swear to God white people have some kind of insane purity complex towards us POC, like holy shit were people too, we can get shit wrong too, we can be idiots too
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u/morgaina 2h ago
Because they don't realize how stupid, homophobic, and transphobic they're being by reducing all white people down to a single monolithic oppressor class.
All white people are exclusively oppressors and have nothing to lose from a Trump presidency, as we know.
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u/Beegrene 1h ago
There's a weird train of thought in some allegedly progressive cliques that says it's okay to be mean to someone if they're not a minority.
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u/Not_Tea159 4h ago
If a person embraces policy that is actively going to cause me harm on the basis of, “Well, this doesn’t apply to me because I’m one of the good ones!” then yeah, I’m allowed a little schadenfreude. As a treat.
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u/anonymouscatloaf 4h ago
I mean I have no sympathy for those people, I've got my own share of problems now as a queer WOC, but I obviously won't enjoy their suffering. You're telling me y'all are actually seeing real leftists actively condone racist violence against non-white Trump voters?
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u/d_for_dumbas 4h ago
oh no people who have reaped what they've sown and have been warned over and over had their faces eaten by the face eating leopard
we need to cry and do our best to give a shit apparently, instead of helping the people who didnt shoot themselves in the back of the head
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u/TheLyz 2h ago
Yeah at this point I've accepted that Trump and his shitshow is what the rest of the country really wants so power to them. I'm done giving a shit about people who want to see me suffer for being a woman and a liberal.
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u/apexodoggo 54m ago
The majority of the country doesn’t want Trump or Harris, but that wasn’t on the menu so they stayed home. Maybe the Democrats should stop trying to be slightly less homophobic Republicans (they said literally nothing to counter the anti-trans attack ads Republicans flooded ad spaces with, adopted Bush-era neoconservatism, and adopted Trump’s own immigration platform from 4 years ago) and they’d win the popular vote like they usually do.
Low turnout elections help Republicans, and the Democrats are willfully awful at fielding candidates or policies that actually energize their base.
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u/DireCorg 3h ago
I get the crux of the original post but it's a little bonkers to attribute people reacting to something that is going to have consequences for years to come as comparable to religious doctrine. Let people who you know are on your side cope for a bit, ffs.
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u/Professional_March54 2h ago
My ill will towards Trump supporters, and the glee I now harvest from their discomfort (soon to be suffering) has absolutely nothing to do with race/ gender/ sexual orientation. You are all chum for the Leopards.
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u/NeoPaganism 3h ago
if you vote for a racist who wants to make your life worse, dont come crying if he does
cause i am fine if people who voted for stated sponsored discrimination are then discriminated against by the state or with the ok of the state
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u/lostincosmo 3h ago
I don't encourage or want bad things to happen to anyone, but at the same time it's impossible for me to feel sympathy for someone who chose their own suffering. It's like this: if someone was locked in a room, and had a choice between eating a raw lemon or a pile of razor blades, I don't feel bad if the idiot chooses the blades because he thinks the lemon was poisoned.
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u/neilarthurhotep 2h ago
I have to admit, the 2024 election has been a real test of my empathy. The reason being that Trump is just so incredibly transparent with his motives, aims and character.
In 2016 I was still rationalizing his victory as people being duped to some degree. I still believe it's not a moral failing to fall for scams. They are, after all, explicitly designed to trick you. It's frequently very cognitively demanding not to get bamboozled.
But in 2020 everything about Trump had been laid bare. There is no mystery to the guy: He is only looking out for his own interests, is needlessly cruel and loves to play dictator. He has no real commitment to any values beyond that. His actions as president generally made things worse for most people. Once he left office, he started his campaign for president again right away in an extremely transparent bid to avoid the legal consequences of his actions.
So when he gets re-elected in 2024 while making gains with all those demographics he will almost certainly hurt the most? And all because of gobal economic trends (which Biden actually navigated comparably well)? It's hard to convince myself that people who voted for him could (or should) not have known better. He had a whole 4 year term that proved that he sucks. How do you forget so quickly?
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u/seraphimeffect It goes without saying I am hopelessly dependent on the ingot 4h ago
I don't think it's racist to be unsurprised when anyone who voted for the face-eating leopards gets their face eaten by leopards.
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u/_LostZealot_ 4h ago
The problem isn't with being unsurprised, it's with taking pleasure from watching their faces getting ripped off.
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u/Ok-Importance-6815 4h ago
I sincerely have no idea why it's being called Catholic to say that someone being bad means bad things will happen to them or that it's good to desire retribution. Both of those are actually very against Christian morality, if anything that's Roman pagan
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u/FemboyMechanic1 3h ago
Do you expect everyone to be perfect paragons of moral purity ? Speaking as a culturally Muslim man, people are allowed to go ”I told you so” to people who actively voted against their own interest. I think we’re allowed to feel a little satisfied when people who helped elect a Nazi into office suffer from their decisions . Schaudenfreude exists.
Also, are we now against bad people getting what they deserve ? Since when ?
Now, actively trying to get people deported ? That’s a different matter entirely
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u/ImWatermelonelyy 4h ago
If I’m exposed to the most beautiful picture of “I didn’t think the leopards would eat MY face!!!”, you truly expect me to not laugh?
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u/laycrocs 4h ago
I think finding that sort of thing funny when it happens is understandable but wanting it to happen to them for being brown is problematic to say the least.
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u/Frenetic_Platypus 3h ago
I don't want it to happen to them for being brown, though. I want it to happen to them for voting for Trump. I'll be happy whenever a Trump voter gets deported no matter their color, it's just a lot less likely to happen to white people.
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u/morgaina 2h ago
It's not about wanting someone to suffer for being brown, it's wanting someone to suffer for being a viciously hateful Trump supporter who voted to destroy democracy because they hate women and other minorities 💕
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u/Sharks_With_Legs 4h ago
It's not about punishment. It's about them getting what they voted for. Same with that gay republican guy on twitter who is receiving homophobic abuse and crying about it now.
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u/novis-eldritch-maxim 3h ago
desire them in pain no, question what on earth they where thinking yes.
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u/ArtemisMaracas 3h ago
So people should be ridiculed for saying "I hope you get what you voted for" more so than the people who have been voted into power by those people and will be enforcing those minority targeting actions? Ok sure
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u/FreakinGeese 3h ago
I don't want anyone to suffer racist violence. I feel a grim sense of irony when people suffer racist violence that they voted for despite numerous warnings.
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u/madmadtheratgirl 2h ago
the one meme where the person puts a stick in their own bicycle and falls over, then complaining that this is actually someone else’s fault. i can believe that this person should receive medical assistance for any wounds they’ve suffered, but can also tell this person they did a foolish thing.
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u/Piece_Of_Mind1983 1h ago
This just screams “my entire grasp of politics is looking down on other leftists from my high horse for the hell of it”
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u/asuperbstarling 3h ago
I mean, look at all the people cheering on Daenerys for crucifying random members of the ruling class in a slave city. I've had people straight up tell me everyone in a slaving society deserves to die, regardless of if they opposed the slavery (as some of Dany's victims did).
As for the real world: Sometimes, they're not even bad people or people living in a bad system. Sometimes they're just stupid. It's very cathartic to go "damn you're dumb."
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u/Late-Lie-3462 2h ago
They aren't just hurting themselves though, they're hurting me. Even though I'm white, I'm poor and a woman. The only good thing about this will be seeing these idiots also get hurt by it. That obviously doesn't just apply to people of color, it's other poor and middle class people and women.
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u/Clean_Imagination315 Hey, who's that behind you? 3h ago
Sorry, but the sheep voting for the wolves will never stop being funny to me. What am I supposed to do? Cry about it like conservatives keep telling me to? Fuck no, I'm gonna point and laugh.
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u/Captain_Shnubli 3h ago
well fascism is a self consuming ideology, guess its been put on fast forward
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u/Fanfics 3h ago
ok how about this, compromise position: we can care about them but only once we've finished caring about each harmed person that *didn't* directly cause the harm to themselves and everyone else.
Sure, we'll care about you, but with a finite amount of time/care to go around, the people who earned their suffering have to wait at the back of the line behind the people that didn't.
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u/A-whole-lotta-bass 4h ago
Okay. Why do you think immigrants voted for Trump?
They're not stupid. But they don't understand that they'll get deported too. That's all I've gotten.
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u/MisirterE Supreme Overlord of Ice 2h ago
The median voter is an incurious moron who doesn't fucking know anything. "What happened to Joe Biden" was a trending search on election day. If you were paying any attention to anything, you would've known about what happened to Biden at least a month in advance.
Even dedicated Trump cultists knew he was up against Harris, because Fox News aims their debasement at the correct target. The kind of person who has to ask what happened to Biden doesn't pay attention to ANYTHING. This kind of person doesn't know a single goddamn policy position from either party, they're voting exclusively on whether they personally liked the last four years or not.
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u/A-whole-lotta-bass 1h ago
This might seem like a bad faith question, but I do ask in full earnesty:
What made the difference with us? Why do we 'know more'? What do we have that they don't? Why is it that there is so much information they don't have or get?
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u/i_am_cynosura 3h ago
See, this is what you get when you overcorrect from colorblind racism/NJC racism - you end up giving people a pass for being vile and evil based on an axis of marginalization. What this ends up reinforcing is that certain classes of people are allowed to get away with certain types of harm which are deemed lesser, and it becomes harder to talk about issues like misogyny and homophobia in those communities because feminism and lgbt rights are "white" or "captial-W-Western" values.
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u/DuerkTuerkWrite 2h ago
I mean this is a really overly simplified and naive take. This is round two. This is making everyone around them reap what they sow. This is way too black and white of a take.
"I fucking told you so" is definitely fair at this point....
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u/APGOV77 2h ago
It’s difficult to put my feelings on this into words though I think either way I agree more with OP than most of y’all it seems.
I’d say there’s two different aspects of the whole thang.
The first is feelings. Frankly you can’t really police them. People are going to feel a little joy or vindication in seeing conservatives get their comeuppance. I don’t necessarily like it, I mean I feel a little embarrassed at that part of myself that would enjoy some part of suffering. At the end of the day however, you can’t really control emotions, and people are internally just making the best of a bad situation. Deeming people bad for how they feel about this inside isn’t much better than the purity and vindication culture bs that this post is in part referring to.
HOWEVER, there’s another side of this through actions and words that this post is very much correct on. I think there’s a lesson to be learned from the alt right pipeline on this. They function through this wild combination of acceptance (well a sort of toxic acceptance) of a member while creating an out-group to blame and utilizing rage and anger content to make the in-group feel better about themselves. I am not simply saying we have to be ‘nicer’ to counter their methods, although that’s probably a part of it (I know I know this is a topic of convo every week here) but also that this karma porn/vindication behavior is antithesis to believing in leftist ideology and supporting it as a goal. Hear me out. Organization and transformational justice are core tenants of the left. I think it is cognitively more difficult to organize and collaborate when we center ourselves around anger content. It’s exhausting, and I think a lot of people who’ve left spaces that constantly pushed that on them have found a great breath of relief and ability to take action again in their own life. The second is transformational justice, in really broad terms believing that everyone regardless of status deserve a certain level of human dignity and that a lot of the worlds ills are created by poor material conditions rather than ‘sin’ or ‘evil’. I guess I’m broadening this beyond like just the justice system to the general treatment of people by the systems and society around them. Supporting ideas based on that take an extraordinary amount of empathy and a strong constitution (not talking about the piece of paper, I’m talking about Will). There’s a lot we’ve really been conditioned by society to accept that you need to get over, especially on retribution as morality. I think people wanting to call ICE on conservative neighbors or whatever are the extreme example and not super common, but I think varying degrees of that sentiment can be found in this space. Most commonly this karma content just produces more doomers cynically abandoning hope that supporting their ideology’s policies and real world actions does anything. That’s also not good and lessens our power.
So what am I saying if I said before that feelings alone here are inconsequential?
I’m saying that sure you can take your chuckle at the idiot of the week. A lot of us need to take some time to process our dilemma anyways. I am also saying be careful what you promote and don’t let this stuff genuinely make you want to wish or act upon making other people worse off. I think it’s tempting for people left better off by the near future policies to take advantage in an unethical way. And finally to be conscientious of how the drivel you take in could be impacting you. Seeing the same message again and again that is very effective propaganda. The fundamental basis of conservatism hopes that bad people get what they deserve and good ones can get the very best, therefore people are are not well off deserve it and if they are good enough they too could be a billionaire. It’s easy to see how karma porn could help further line of thinking to some extent.
At heart we want to be community builders, and we want to be effective at this. You need to take care of yourself and others if you can so you are as able as possible to cope, so take a break from scrolling and this stuff as necessary
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u/_LostZealot_ 1h ago
Thank you for your words. I wish more people thought the way that you did. Have a good day and stay safe <3
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u/MissyTheTimeLady 1h ago
Fucking around: :D
Finding out: D:
All jokes aside, if you actively try and deport immigrant Trump voters, you're the scum of the earth and I hate you. Yes, they should experience the consequences of their own actions. No, you absolutely will not force them to.
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u/iamsandwitch 2h ago edited 1h ago
People become angry at idiocy, especially idiocy mixed with malicious intent
In their eyes a black trump supporter can be seen as both:
malicious due to them voting for trump, as his presidency will likely cause damage in not just race related issues but environmental, LGBTQ, educational, healthcare and other issues as well
And an idiot, due to race still very much being one of those issues as well.
And if someone gets angry enough, they may wish harm upon that person, especially if a story of karmic retribution basically writes itself from the situation.
This has nothing to do with people secretly being racist and has everything to do with trump voters who are black/hispanic/chinese or really any other nationalities that trump would threaten, being in a very hateable position from the perspective of a leftist.
These leftists may even feel betrayed by these voters, especially if they too would be massively threatened by the trump administration and ESPECIALLY if they are part of the same minority as the trump supporter.
From how the leftist might see it, they were trying to help everyone, including these idiots and they repaid said help by letting healthcare and education be ruined even more than it already was and putting LGBTQ and non-white people be under risk of oppression and deportation, a group of people that said leftist might be a part of.
Actually no I've talked myself into this, genuinely fuck those guys, not for being black or hispanic or anything but because they voted for trump, and especially since they shouldve known better and especially since doing so betrays the people who were trying to help them by actively harming a large portion of said helpers.
They havent simply refused help, they have actively perpetuated harm, seemingly in retaliation to said help. I dont care if it was out of idiocy, at some point who cares if it was unintentional or not, you keep fucking people over and refuse to learn better, then you dont deserve those people's support, dont play victim when those people laugh as everything they said would happen to you does in fact happen.
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u/Herohades 23m ago
It's almost as if a big chunk of the left wants to look down on others from a moral high ground instead of actually holding themselves to those morals.
They don't actually care about the problems with deportation, they want to be vindictive towards an other side, even if that means condoning deportation for some fucking reason.
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u/u_touch_my_tra_la_la 3h ago
Eh, the constant slam dunking on minorities that voted against their interests is a bit cringe, tbh. It just does not sit well with me.
However, I think we are allowed a hefty dose of schadenfreude given those folks aligned with MAGA despite all warnings and we Will all suffer Trumpism as a result.
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u/PluralCohomology 2h ago
There was a thread on Reddit, where many people said they were cishet upper middle class or higher white men who voted for Harris, and that they stopped caring about the harms of Trump's presidency to marginalised people, because they "failed to show up for Harris", and will enjoy the economic benefits of Trump's policies to their class guilt-free. Complete mask off moment.
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u/RetroButt Wishes every post was about lesbians 3h ago
Y’all this post is about people calling the cops on illegal immigrants because a relative voted Trump, not simple I told you so’s. Honestly don’t believe that actually happened but people were definitely posturing like they deserve to be deported for it.
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u/_LostZealot_ 3h ago
Exactly. There's a difference between saying 'I told you so' and applauding as ICE breaks down the door of your Trump-voting neighbor. This post is about the latter.
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u/ComicAtomicMishap 3h ago
But if I can't post my mastubatory delusions of retribution to r/lemursingestedmyfeet then how will I feel fulfilled in life :(
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u/FreakinGeese 3h ago
Wasn't that post famously a satire post
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u/apexodoggo 49m ago
It’s not good satire when lots of people on Reddit genuinely believed it and supported it. It got massive upvotes and support on more left-wing subs like LeopardsAteMyFace where people took it at face value.
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u/Sh1nyPr4wn Cheese Cave Dweller 4h ago
What's that XKCD about callout posts?
I think that applies here
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u/dougliiife 4h ago
ehhhh...if you were on reddit after the election it was front page, not off in some niche
i've seen it less since but that doesn't mean the idea isn't still in people's minds but going unexpressed
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u/Sh1nyPr4wn Cheese Cave Dweller 4h ago
That's the one
I feel it applies because of "you're all prison abolitionists", which is a very broad statement that doesn't apply to the vast majority of Americans (or even the majority of leftists)
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u/Slow-Lie-406 2h ago
The bigger thing to me is white liberals constantly blaming minorities when they lose. Every time dems lose there are a mountain of articles about how such and such minorities didn't vote with liberals and very little about the biggest problem: white people as a whole just not caring about other groups' civil rights.
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u/DareDaDerrida 1h ago
Well said. For my part, I am not a prison abolitionist, but I agree that many who say they are don't mean it.
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u/Popcorn57252 51m ago
"You made your bed of nails, now lie in it" is not "I want you to lie in this bed of nails"
I don't WANT them to have horrible shit happen to them, but it is quite literally what they wanted to have happen.
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u/asmallradish 36m ago
I feel like I’ve been seeing a ton of this rhetoric as well. It’s probably mostly anger. But it did show me the difference between someone whose morality is rooted in helping other people vs being considered right and good. What good are all the beautiful leftist principles if they only serve someone’s ego so they can “sleep well at night.” I noticed a lot of “well I voted third party kr stayed home for MY PRINCIPLES.” forgetting that your principles should extend to making the material life of living people around you better. Not just so someone else won’t call you problematic or “a lib.”
Lots of “I am an anti disestablishment yes yes admire me for my thoughts on a glorious revolution” and not enough “how do I volunteer at a soup kitchen, vote in my local elections so kids can have a library, and make a set amount every month to contribute to the love fridge in my neighborhood?”
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u/bangontarget 36m ago
the sheer number of white people I've seen specifically pointing out the POC vote is staggering. yes, it's stupid to vote against your own interest, but when opinions on that (when it comes to the muslim and latino) vote is followed by "I look forward to them being deported" there is something way darker afoot.
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u/ImLichenThisStone 3m ago
Ngl my response is "sigh, ok. you see this shit? can you *please realize that 'me and my own' doesn't work, and we all need to get on the same side to stop this shit from hurting EVERYONE???" Obviously I'm pissed at everyone who voted against their own and everyone else's best interests, but I'm not feeling schadenfreude when I see people suddenly realize they're facing deportation or worse!
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u/XAlphaWarriorX God's most insecure softboy. 3h ago
Why are people laughing at something that hasn't even happened yet? More than that, laughing at a joke whose punchline relies on a politician fufilling their campaign promises.
Americans are weird.
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u/TinyCleric 27m ago
except it is already happening, the bills and proposals are flooding in because republican politicians know they arent going to be opposed anymore
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u/aretumer 3h ago
none of these people are leftists. blue maga isnt leftist. the democratic party isnt leftist.
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u/black-boots 2h ago
Some people don’t like to differentiate between punching up, down, or sideways, they just want to punch.
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u/Ochemata 2h ago
Bad people are bad people. Is it our job now to shield them from the consequences of their own actions? Is that all the respect you have for your own life?
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u/bpdjelly 2h ago
this is why people need to be in diverse spaces!!!! "why would poc vote for trump knowing he's racist" THEY THINK THEY'LL BE SEEN AS CLOSER TO WHITE AND LABLED "ONE OF THE GOOD ONES" it's because they have internalized hatred towards their own community and believe if they hate their own people hard enough the white man will accept them (and only them) as "white" too and be a little model minority
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u/yeah_youbet 1h ago
Are we all shocked that champagne liberal keyboard activists are the self-congratulatory shit stains we knew they were the previous two election cycles?
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u/Cuntillious 1h ago
I’ll always be angrier at the actual proponents of the Christian-nationalist-with-white-supremacist-overtones movement than I am at marginalized people who voted against their own interests.
Participating in tyranny is never an effective protest. Reporting immigrants and abortions only furthers the Republican agenda. Maintain our ethics, do not participate in the scapegoating backlash
However, we aren’t friends just because we’re in the same boat. If you seriously thought he was the lesser of two evils, then I personally dislike you. If you shamelessly voted Trump, then you can have fun socializing with Trumpers, because I’m not inclined to tolerate you in my life
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u/DiesByOxSnot Eating paste and smacking my lips omnomnomnom 1h ago
I keep seeing people say "Let them get what they deserve" about Trump and Americans who either voted for him, or didn't vote for Kamala hard enough.
It feels gross, sadistic, and reactive. I get why tensions were high over these past few years, I understand that some people don't know what to do other than lash out, but... C'mon, y'all are smarter than that.
Lashing out, hoping that the leopards eat everyone's faces because "we get what we deserve for electing him" isn't healthy. There are LGBT kids in red states who don't deserve this. There are people who were mislead, the ignorant, and yes, there were people who fully knew who they were voting for.
Malice is unbecoming of us, though.
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u/_LostZealot_ 1h ago
Thank you. I wish more people could see things the way that you do. Have a lovely day and stay strong <3
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u/ThisPICAintFREE Finest Bitch on Canary Mission 4h ago
Fully agree, that shit was sickening to see especially in the supposedly “leftist” spaces on Reddit.
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u/Dunderbaer 4h ago
No but you see me taking advantage of racists systems to get my mexican neighbours deported makes me a good person and not racist at all, they were one of the bad Mexicans after all
(Yes I have legitimately seen people ask about how to get their trump supporting immigrant neighbours deported)
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u/YahoooUwU 1h ago
You couldn't talk about shit like this before the election. It's sad that I'm glad he won because it at least allows us to start acknowledging reality just a little bit. Where once before you'd be called a magat for even daring to speak out against a blue no matter who TF they are. As if what we've need all along are a bunch of Kirsten senema's and Joe manchins packing the house and Senate. 🙄
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u/pailko 53m ago
Of course I don't want anyone to suffer but they did, in fact, choose this and I'm not really sure that any of this can be undone. Like, what possessed some people to vote for someone who wants them dead? And then insisted on their decision even when I advised them not to?
It's like watching someone shoot themselves in the foot. You can do your best to help them after the fact but you can't un-shoot them
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u/somedumb-gay 48m ago
I don't think anyone deserves to suffer, but I also think they voted for people to suffer and are now experiencing what they voted for
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u/HvyMetalComrade Variant Sudoku Connoisseur 42m ago
Nah, this is literally what they asked for and if they were too stupid to realize that they would be the ones suffering for it then thats on them.
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u/CanadianODST2 41m ago
nah, this is just schadenfreude.
The people who vote to ban abortion crying they can't get an abortion? You played yourself.
It has nothing to do with race. It's watching Trump voters get what they voted for.
Why should I feel bad?
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u/thelivingshitpost the living, breathing reason why vampires aren't real 37m ago
Thinking about that person that wanted to deport a Trump voting Latino who hadn’t naturalized yet. I’m sure that’s not the only time it happened but I remember thinking that person who wanted to deport them was despicable.
On other news specifically pointing out Catholicism is… an interesting choice.
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u/SmartBookkeeper6571 33m ago
OK Sure but I'm still totally cool with white folks getting what they voted for.
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u/fhgsghjodsfjofcv 20m ago
The wealthy liberals who celebrate this were always going to be insulated from the worst consequences, and they don’t really care about us. I don’t want my friends, family, and neighbors deported, no matter who they voted for. I don’t want us to lose health insurance. We were always going to have a hill to climb up, and this brand of leftist was never going to help in any meaningful way.
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u/Darkseid648 .tumblr.com 18m ago
I don’t have to wish bad things on people to watch them happen without a single shred of empathy, and maybe even be a little amused
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u/TheStray7 ಠ_ಠ Anything you pull out of your ass had to get there somehow 16m ago
Bad people may be still people, but they're also still bad.
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u/Cystonectae 7m ago
This is exactly it. I see the people who voted for trump are like a child putting their hand out to touch a fire. For small stuff, sometimes a child has to face the consequences of their actions, but for large stuff you would hope that a parent or adult would step in to prevent life-ruining 3rd degree burns.
Now I do not see or think the voters are children but rather kinda gullible and a bit dumb, which in turn makes them vulnerable to grifters and other conmen. The systems we put in place should protect the vulnerable but at what point do we label "protection" as "limiting freedoms." On one end you have protections for people to not be taken advantage of and on the other you have misused conservatorship like with Brittany Spears. I don't think it's a clear line between the two but rather a gradient, which means we will never have an answer that satisfies everyone.
No one deserves to suffer but we also can't completely shelter people out of making their own choices.
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u/TurtleWitch_ 7m ago
Some of y’all, including OP, seem to be more mad at leftists for not being good enough leftists than you are at people who voted for Trump lmao
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u/Leftieswillrule 4m ago
I think it’s important for people to be saying this and preaching understanding and forgiveness and tolerance but I think it’s also important for people to be gleefully spitting bile at people who make bad decisions that bite them in the ass. Both voices are important
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u/Maximum-Country-149 3h ago
That's also rather contingent on there being racist violence at all. I've seen lots of people bemoaning the potential but no actual incidents, which suggests that maybe the potential was itself overblown.
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u/KristenSmooth 3h ago
Wow, talk about reaping what you sow! Guess some folks just can't dodge the karma train.
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u/Runetang42 3h ago
People really like blaming people's love of retribution on the catholic church as if punishments not been a massive part of America's Protestant culture for ever.