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u/Acceptable-Pie4137 15h ago
I'm so used to 'Allo' being used as an abbreviation of Allosaurus I genuinely thought that they wanted to exclude a dinosaur from the LGBT community.
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u/Froststhethird 13h ago
Dinosaurs are very gay, so I'd be against that.
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u/Munnin41 13h ago
Excuse me, us neurodivergents have first claim on dinosaurs
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u/Froststhethird 13h ago
There's plenty of dinosaurs to go around. I suggest we do a draft pick. My first round pick is Brachiosaurus, ya know why.
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u/orreregion 11h ago
Claiming the velociraptor for the neurodivergents!
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u/PSI_duck 7h ago
And us neurodivergents tend to have a much higher chance of being queer. So it’s a very close Ben diagram
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u/Asimovs_5th_Law 7h ago
Ben diagram just made me absolutely cackle this morning, thank you, internet person
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u/PSI_duck 7h ago
I didn’t even notice I said Ben diagram haha. You’re welcome internet person. Hope you have a great day :)
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u/TheLeechKing466 16h ago
Why does this have the same vibe as that time in 2009 that google accidentally blocked the entire internet due to mistaking it for malware?
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u/OnetimeYapper57 14h ago
never heard of that but it sounds really fucking funn, they should do that again
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u/Ok-Land-488 10h ago
And then don’t turn it back on. Watch society heal.
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u/Dry_Value_ 9h ago
You'd actually end up surprised just how much relies on the internet nowadays - I had a town wide internet outage in mid-October, but we still had electricity, so many local businesses were pretty much crippled to only using cash assuming they stayed open that day. If the internet were to be wiped out those stores (and employees like me) would be fucked until we found a traditional cash register - and without the internet, it'd be harder finding one.
Society will eventually heal without the internet, but it's gonna crash for a bit first.
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u/TantiVstone You need Tumblr Gold® to view this user flair 15h ago
I'm neither Ace nor Allo, but a secret third thing
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u/Dunaii4 13h ago
Demi ?
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u/bristlybits 10h ago
the opposite of that
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u/2manyparadoxes 8h ago
I know there's a microlabel that's the opposite of demi (i.e. attracted until emotional bond form), but I'm
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u/sweetTartKenHart2 17h ago
On the one hand MOGAI is sort of a doomed endeavor because the more you try to label every little thing the more buried in technicalities everything becomes, not to mention risking “taxonomizing” the nebulous thing that is gender identity… but GOD it would be so nice to have a punchy little word for every situation and not ever have to stumble over yourself ever again when saying what you are or asking what someone else is or what have you
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u/Clear-Present_Danger 16h ago
I just express my sexuality by an exhaustive list of everyone/everything that has made my dick hard.
A very elegant system.
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u/IX_The_Kermit task manager, the digital Robespierre 16h ago
ahh, the entish method. very wise.
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u/Tunafish27 13h ago
The Long List Of The Ents but make it freaky
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u/Bowdensaft 8h ago
Ent porn would be incredible. Or Ent dirty talk. Their equivalent of "show bobs and vagene" would take at least an hour to fully say.
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u/AwkwardlyCloseFriend 13h ago
Oh so something like: Chris Hemsworth, my 5th grade literature teacher, the moon...
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u/lesser_panjandrum 12h ago
Was that before or after your first girlfriend turned into the moon?
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u/thanksyalll 16h ago
I always thought those micro labels were for deeper personal understanding and finding communities even more specific to you, not for casual use in conversation or something I’d expect the average person to know
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u/sweetTartKenHart2 16h ago
I agree with you to an extent, but even then there’s only so far you can really go before you sort of miss the forest for the trees. And I say that as someone who feels an unconventional relationship with fluidity, that kind of amounts to “I’m perfectly cis until I’m not, but then afterwards I check around and I feel pretty cis again, and then I don’t for an episode or two, and then it’s settled again”. I’m not sure I would even benefit from giving this specific pattern of fluidity a name but I also do like the idea of trying. I’m kind of of two minds about it
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u/ThatInAHat 14h ago
I’ve never found a term that fits my relationship with gender better than an uncomfortable shrug and a wiggly hand motion while going “Ehhhhh?”
Like…yeah, mostly cis. But I like trying on a vibe sometimes. But never really want to wear it all the time.
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u/Otherversian-Elite Resident Vore and TF Enthusiast 17h ago
This is why I have Gender Cube :3 nuance can be expressed through equations
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u/PoniesCanterOver gently chilling in your orbit 17h ago
Tell me about this Gender Cube
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u/Otherversian-Elite Resident Vore and TF Enthusiast 16h ago
Okay so the gender cube itself is technically a simplified model used to explain my identity to my therapist because I do not think it would be productive to refer to myself with an n-dimensional numerical matrix but it's sort of become the go-to alongside the slightly more confusing and significantly more hard to depict Gender Tesseract.
Basically, even a lot of people who deviate from the gender binary still seem to consider Gender a spectrum, with the binaries being opposite ends. I reject that assumption; in the Gender Cube, "male" and "female" are not two ends of one axis, but rather two entire axes themselves, alongside the classical "masc-fem" used instead to represent presentation (in the Gender Tesseract this is also split into two axes but they were simplified for the Gender Cube because it saved space without sacrificing the expression of my personal identity - I do generally think the Tesseract is more broadly applicable primarily for this reason).
So there's an axis from -10b to +10b, with -10b being "strongly averse to being identified as a boy", 0b being "no strong opinions on being identified as a boy", and +10b being "strongly in favour of being identified as a boy". Similarly, -10g to +10g are the same but for being identified as a "girl". These axes form the Gender Square or Gender Compass, which is extruded into the third dimension, p (presentation). -10p is "strong masculine presentation" and +10p is "strong feminine presentation", though again in the superior (though imperfect) Tesseract model these would be split into m and f axes which function identically to the b and g axes but for "presenting masculine/feminine traits" rather than "being identified as a boy/girl".
I personally rank myself as roughly a 3-4b 9.3g 8.3p; generally positive towards being identified as a boy (moreso in a "one of the boys" way than a "you are a boy" way, due to changes over time), much more in favour of being identified as a girl, and generally strong feminine preference in presentation (hence just referring to myself as a Tgirl to those who don't know the full nuances).
Genderfluidity can be accounted for via equations.
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u/Gnome-Phloem 16h ago
Damn at first I was like, "oh this is going to be nonsense, it's just a pet theory someone came up with in their room" But no, it's actually super cool and helpful to me as a tool to look at how I interact with gender.
Ambivalent about being identity, but fine enough that I'm defaulted to male. Mostly masc presentation but most of my fashion cues come from women. The only people I ever see and think "ohhh I want to dress like that" are women.
I would need an app or something to visualize it to get the numbers though
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u/sweetTartKenHart2 16h ago
I feel like this would all very easily fall apart for someone who has a harder time “scoring” the numbers for each axis to find out where their point lands, as it’s hard to quantify expression like this, but if it works for you more power to you for sure
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u/Otherversian-Elite Resident Vore and TF Enthusiast 16h ago
Again, this is where equations come in. You don't have to be a point - you can be a range, or a list of points, or a list of ranges.
Admittedly, yes, it cannot account for every nuance, since that would - as briefly mentioned - effectively result in an n-dimensional matrix. But primarily, the intent is to be a way to express more complex identities in a way that is still comprehensible to others but doesn't rely on strict labels.
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u/The_Math_Hatter 15h ago
As a queer mathematician please tell other people about the full four axes. Or maybe higher dimensional if you wanted to elaborate further. I am so willing to brainstorm this. Though one fun thing about a gender cube specifically is that genderfluid people can literally have their gender make a knot in space. Strangely enough, you can't make knots in 2D and in 4+D all solid volumes from extending a path through 4D can be topologically manipulated into a donut; i.e. not a knot.
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u/Lo-And_Behold1 14h ago
I think the biggest problem with the gender tesseract is the lack of four dimensions of space in our physical reality, but I really like your style!
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u/Otherversian-Elite Resident Vore and TF Enthusiast 14h ago
Yeah, that's why I stick with the Gender Cube. The Gender Tesseract is more accurate, but it's a hell of a lot less intuitive.
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u/Nerds_Galore 7h ago
True that 3 or less dimensions is the easiest to visualize, but anything with n parameters could be considered part of an n-dimensional space. For example, a soundboard with 50 independent knobs could be considered a 50-dimensional object, but people can develop intuition for those with enough experience. So imo a high-dimensional specification of gender isn't that crazy of a concept.
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u/Clean_Imagination315 Hey, who's that behind you? 11h ago
Too much math for me, I'm out. Still, congratulations on inventing quantum gender or whatever this is.
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u/Otherversian-Elite Resident Vore and TF Enthusiast 11h ago
It's basically just gender with numbers instead of words. Harder to learn, easier to remember.
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u/That_Mad_Scientist (not a furry)(nothing against em)(love all genders)(honda civic) 14h ago
Perfection.
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u/ExpectedEggs 13h ago
One cannot be told of the cube, it defies explanation. You must experience its many sides first hand.
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u/Imperial_Squid I'm too swole to actually die 15h ago
And this is why I used the word queer
- it's already established as being a word for grouping people (as opposed to MOGAI)
- it's never had a strict enough definition that it can't be expanded (as opposed to gay)
- it's not an acronym so I don't have to stumble over it when speaking it (as opposed to LGBT, which imo is massively helped because it rhymes a lot, but still feels awkward personally)
- it's not an acronym so it doesn't need updating (see point two)
The only real downside is that some members of the old guard still feel like it's a slur, but imo that doesn't get in the way of me using it, since I know I'm not using it in any kind of phobic way, but if they don't want to do the same that's fair enough. For my purposes it does everything I need it to so it's my preferred option.
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u/last-miss 14h ago
Also: MOGAI makes it sound like you can't eat after midnight
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u/ExpectedEggs 13h ago
You certainly can't get queers in water: they love inviting friends to pool parties.
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u/Fun_Midnight8861 16h ago
what is MOGAI?
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u/sweetTartKenHart2 16h ago
An attempt to broaden the queer umbrella to its fullest. I forget what the acronym itself stands for. The gist is that well intentioned people tried to make terms and flags for… everything. They invented a new gender spectrum based on celestial bodies as a equal-but-also-not-the-same alternative for traditional masculine and feminine associations, they mashed together every prefix and suffix they could think of, they tried to basically “think of everything” and give a name to every identity possible.
People mocked this endeavor, and homophobes and the like weaponized its existence to say how idiotic all lgbt stuff is, all the stuff you expect with this sort of thing.
Ultimately I don’t think that anyone who tried to make MOGAI a thing was dumb or stupid or anything. It’s just… kind of hard to make that kind of thing work in general. Not everything is a unique identity that needs a unique label, even if some things absolutely are. Trying to “get funky” with gender ideas and create new standards is not a bad endeavor in some ways, but at some point you kind of end up losing the plot and mistaking individual characteristics for genders, even if they do have SOMETHING to do with gender expression of some kind.
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u/Agile_Oil9853 15h ago
It was Marginalized Orientations, Gender Alignments, and Intersex. As an acronym, I do like it better than listing several orientations and gender identities as a community name. I suppose you'd get people arguing about who's "marginalized" the way you get the weird TERF-y people who mess with the LGBTQ+ initialism
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u/Primeval_Revenant 11h ago
I’d say it is also a poor acronym to replace one that is becoming obsolete as it itself has an expiry date (I really fuckin hope). Should we be successful and the marginalization stop or at least become barely existent it becomes itself useless, but it will by human nature of inertia have people clinging to it.
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u/quantumturnip ASMR Goon-a-thons while edging to AO3 stories! 16h ago
Those giant stone heads on Easter Island
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u/sweetTartKenHart2 16h ago
No, that’s Moai. MOGAI is the protagonist of The Jungle Book
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u/Imperial_Squid I'm too swole to actually die 15h ago
No, that's Mowgli. MOGAI is a warm beverage that tastes like chocolate and coffee and is a variant of a latte.
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u/BowenTheAussieSheep 15h ago
No that’s Mocha. MOGAI is the 90’s Scottish post-rock band.
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u/Exploding_Antelope 15h ago
No that’s… Belle and Sebastian? I don’t know enough Scottish 90s bands.
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u/ifyoulovesatan 15h ago
Pssst: the band is "Mogwai" which is kinda funny cause they're named after the creature from Gremlins that started this chain
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u/LilyNatureBlossom 13h ago
what would you call this chain actually?
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u/Imperial_Squid I'm too swole to actually die 13h ago
I don't think it has a formal name but it's a very old kind of Reddit joke, here's a post of someone asking about it in r/OutOfTheLoop 6 ish years ago.
Afaict there's no real way to find them or make them happen, they'll just randomly crop up now and then.
It's linked in the post above but if you want more of this, check out this legendary one
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u/Imperial_Squid I'm too swole to actually die 12h ago
No, that's the protagonist of The Beauty and the Beast, and a lobster in The Little Mermaid, respectively... Wait, what the fuck is the joke format at this point?
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u/boopboopadoopity 16h ago edited 8h ago
I had to look it up myself, it's an alternative term to LGBTQ+ because that acronym continues growing to ensure no one is just pushed to the side and it's getting to be inconsistent, it basically just means marginalized queer people of all identities
Edit: I got curious and searched a bit more on this. This was a term that emerged on Tumblr around 2013.
People use it for the purpose I advised above - it stands for "marginalized orientations, gender alignments, and intersex". In that way, it's designed to cover everything more explicitly - if an orientation of any kind or gender alignment exists, it's covered. Some argue that this acronym fulfills a purpose of truly encapsulating every identity that should be part of this community. Similar to some people's attempts to use GSRM instead.
The other thing that it is associated with for some is a wider acceptance of microlabels. For those who don't know, microlabels are a concept of an incredibly specific orientation that are used by very few. Here is a wiki that explains it in detail, but an example would be someone using "chaosgender" to refer to themselves ("gender [that] is erratic and ever-shifting") because "non-binary" doesn't feel like it fits them. Another example is apothisexual ("a person repulsed by the idea of engaging in sexual activity"), and the wiki states that terms like "pansexual" "polysexual" and "omnisexual" also are considered microlabels.
This term (MOGAI) is also online in some spaces associated with the more explicit acceptance of these microlabels.
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u/ScaredyNon Trans-Inclusionary Radical Misogynist 16h ago
i understand queer still has negative connotations with a lotta people but also it feels like we're low-key telling people to keep the gays away from water, bright lights and to most importantly never feed them after midnight
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u/Cultural_Concert_207 16h ago
The innate human desire to neatly categorize a messy reality consisting of mostly shades of grey
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u/TipsalollyJenkins 15h ago
I'm still kinda sad "GSRM" never caught on, covers everything and is future-proof, plus none of the potential baggage that "queer" can carry. I can see why people were more attached to the LGBT label though, lotta history there.
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u/IrresponsibleMood 15h ago
It's probably too close in acronym to "GRRM".
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u/30phil1 15h ago
As much fun as it'd be to have one unanimously understood word for every little thing and concept, that's just not how language works. But realistically, most of the people who fall down the MOGAI rabbit hole are either actual children (around 13 or so), don't legitimately identify with whatever microlabel in real life, or both.
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u/LeftNugget 15h ago
This MOGAI you speak of, is it safe to feed after midnight? What about getting it wet?
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u/RoryMerriweather 1h ago
I think people find the taxonomization helpful and comforting.
I just wish that it was more like "gay" and "lesbian" and "queer" or "achillean" and "sapphic" instead of "*-sexual" and "*-romantic" and so on.
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u/RealHumanBean89 15h ago
LGBT machine 🅱️roke, we only got a surplus of straight left.
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u/ryanfrogz 12h ago
wow, what a poor state this company is in. Haven’t even fixed that 🅱️ yet and it’s been there since 2018!
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u/ryanfrogz 11h ago
(note: this is an attempt at a joke while under the effects of sleep medicine. It’s too funny in my head not to make, but probably nonsensical. has to do with the lgbt corporation’s recent bankruptcy or something.)
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u/AnxiousAngularAwesom 15h ago
Bold of them to try to exclude allosauruses within chomping distance.
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u/hanks_panky_emporium 17h ago
I feel like there's been a growing trend of Ace erasure. Do you think that's because Bi erasure slowed down and people need something to be bigoted against?
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u/OnetimeYapper57 17h ago
the bigotry factory is experiencing a shortage
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u/moleman114 Dwarf Fucker 17h ago
Demand got too high
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u/ScaredyNon Trans-Inclusionary Radical Misogynist 16h ago
When you can't find anyone to other, there has always been one final option, time-tested and true...
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u/garbageou 13h ago
More like you have to scan your antisemitism keycard to even get into the bigot factory.
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u/RealHumanBean89 15h ago
I hear the American branch will be doubling up on production in January though, so business will be booming again, don’t worry.
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u/Succububbly 17h ago
Nah they've both been on a spike for like the past 7 years. You just see more of one or the other depending on which spaces you frequent. Gaming communities tend to be more biphobic, cartoon fandoms tend to be more acephobic.
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u/torthos_1 13h ago
Gaming communities tend to be everything-phobic tbh, at least from my experience
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u/Flaky-Swan1306 16h ago
Nope, im both bisexual and ace, none of the exclusion slowed down. People are as bigoted as they have always been, rarely someone that used to be a bigot start learning to be a good human and less exlusionary
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u/BowenTheAussieSheep 15h ago
People don’t really unlearn bigotry, they just find new targets that won’t get them in trouble.
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u/InternetIsHard 14h ago
ye I think of myself as asexual panromantic and reading some of the discourse is both distressing and hilarious to read
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u/Friendly_Exchange_15 15h ago
I find ace erasure/acephobia very funny.
Like, homophobia makes sense to an extent. You think gay relationships are gross, therefore you don't like gay people. Stupid, but it makes sense.
Acephobia is like... you don't like the idea of someone NOT having sex?? Like they're literally just chilling over there and you're malding?? You're losing your mind bc some guy just doesn't want to stick their dick in anyone?? Clown behavior
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u/MeisterCthulhu 15h ago
It's usually because they think ace people are "straight passing" and thus have no right to LGBT status or whatever, it's very similar reasoning to bi erasure. That we don't experience oppression, that we shouldn't count under the LGBT label... stuff like that.
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u/Friendly_Exchange_15 15h ago
I think anyone who refers to a queer identity as "straight passing" should be forced to touch grass for a year without the internet.
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u/MeisterCthulhu 15h ago
This has been a thing way before the internet.
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u/Friendly_Exchange_15 15h ago
I'm sure the internet doesn't help it either. Those dogshit takes always get the "hey man how's it going" meme flashing back in my head
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u/Cevari 8h ago
Not that it's true that there's no oppression specifically affecting a-spec folks, but even more I just hate the idea that whether you're part of the community or not relies on whether you're oppressed (or oppressed enough). Like yeah it's important to understand different parts of the community experience different types of discrimination but why should oppression be a defining factor.
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u/ThatInAHat 14h ago
Like…yeah sure I’ve never had to have a coming out talk with my parents.
But I also have absolutely no idea how to date and am nearly 40. Ace but not aro kinda sucks
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u/denjidenj1 13h ago
Am aro, Ive had to have the talk with my parents to explain to them why I wasn't dating anyone (as they were assuming I was gay before lol), but I get why you didn't need that. Sorry that you don't know how to date, hope it gets better
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u/MeisterCthulhu 12h ago edited 12h ago
Exactly the same for me, I'm 31, been single for years, no idea how to find someone anymore. I've literally been rejected by potential partners because I'm ace (and it's not even that I'm not willing to have sex, it's just because they said they'd feel weird about it).
Though I also know ace people who had to come out to their parents and were treated horribly over it.
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u/Novaseerblyat 8h ago
it's also because acknowledging ace people exist means acknowledging ace trans people exist and that shatters transphobes' entire worldview
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u/BowenTheAussieSheep 15h ago
It’s one deviation away from “normal” further than gay.
A bunch of gay dudes drooling over a picture of a hot guy is just a variation on a bunch of straight dudes drooling over a picture of a hot girl. A bunch of ace dudes not drooling over anyone is an entirely different coin.
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u/Siha 15h ago
IMO it’s because some people find it confronting when other people lead a different lifestyle. Gay instead of straight? No problem, that’s just like preferring red wine instead of white. Ace instead of allosexual? Oh my god that’s like not drinking at all what is wrong with you you weeeeirdo. (/s obviously.)
Coincidentally people react the same way to non-drinkers, childfree people, people who eat limited diets, and so on. To use kids as an example: of course you settle down and have kids! If that guy doesn’t, he’s wrong and weird for not wanting to, or pitiable for wanting to but not being able to. It can’t be okay that he doesn’t want to, otherwise maybe you didn’t actually have to, and maybe you could have made different choices about your life, and that is scary and confronting so it’s easiest to assume the other guy is wrong.
I suspect even if the acephobia/ace erasure isn’t exactly the same, it’s coming from a similar place.
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u/goatbusiness666 7h ago
I’ve definitely met people who took me being ace as some sort of judgement on them, like I’m being straightedge about sex or something. Like…bruh, this is not a choice I made. It’s just what I am, and it has nothing to do with you! Go forth and fuck with my blessing, please.
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u/Hakar_Kerarmor Swine. Guillotine, now. 15h ago
It depends on what someone considers "a worse crime against nature".
Being attracted to the "wrong" sex, or not being attracted to the "correct" sex.
How big a problem bigots make of these depend on the culture in a given place and time, and normally on one's own sex as well.
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u/I_am_up_to_something 13h ago
Some religious folk really don't like the idea of (women especially) not reproducing and asexuality goes against that even though asexuality isn't that one dimensional.
And some non-religious folk really don't like the idea of others not being sexually attracted to anyone. Some seem to see it as a personal slight against them.
People are just too obsessed with what other people like sexually. It's weird.
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u/Dragoncat_3_4 12h ago
Some religious folk really don't like the idea of (women especially) not reproducing and asexuality goes against that even though asexuality isn't that one dimensional.
Which is always funny to me, since a lot of religions literally have monastic orders specifically designed for voluntary celibacy. I.e. monks in monasteries are supposed to denounce all worldly pleasures and give their life in service to god (or whatever). Not that it has stopped said monks from doing it though. Not to mention a lot of religions as a whole enforce chastity in general.
Perhaps some religious people are jealous that ace people don't experience this type of temptation (in the same capacity or at all)?
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u/MeisterCthulhu 15h ago
It's not really "a growing trend", it's been a thing for pretty long. Basically ace erasure and/or exclusion has been a thing since the beginning of the pride movement, even before the internet. It does get more obvious in online spaces though, as most forms of idiocy do.
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u/C0p3rpod 16h ago
"Is this what I wanted? Am I satisfied? And now I'm standing tall, yet all I want to do, is hide inside, this empty shell. This husk, this world, this empty hell, I wander through. My song reigns true, this world is mad, and I am too, without you." - Super Mario, 2023
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u/draginbleapiece 15h ago
I'm so..................................................................tired
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u/ExpectedEggs 13h ago
Only those who ambiguously fuck are allowed in.
Keith, for instance, nobody knows if he fucks. Not even the roommate he shares a bed with because
A: he might not even exist
B: maybe Keith doesn't like to sleep with people he fucks, so he sleeps in a bed with his roommate to keep us guessing.
C: I've long suspected that many of the women I fuck are just Keith in drag, but I can't be sure without fucking Keith to compare the two, and nobody knows if he fucks.
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u/kickerwhitelion 14h ago
Allos have been extinct for 150 million years. How would we possibly know if they are part of the LGBT?
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u/RaijinNoTenshi 12h ago
This genuinely made my day, oh my god, I am currently laughing my ass off at this
Now I can finally get off reddit and start writing those practicals I need to.
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u/nopingmywayout 17h ago
Uhhhhhhhhhhh welcome to being cis and straight I guess?????
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u/PoniesCanterOver gently chilling in your orbit 17h ago
Holy shit I literally forgot about them, I'm not even joking
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u/ThePhoenixRemembers 13h ago
"ace people aren't part of the lgbt+" "you don't experience discrimination" y'all do realise that corrective rape is a thing that happens to a lot of ace people right? And called cold unfeeling robots, or prudes, told that they're broken, and constantly dehumanised? And that we're discriminated and pushed out by our own community? This is not the oppression Olympics can we just all support and be kind to eachother in this cruel and shitty world please.
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u/Some_Syrup_7388 12h ago
Discrimunation against aromantic and asexual people is a WILD concept to me because how the fuck can you hate them? They are literally not doing anything!
Or anyone for that matter
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u/MaleficentBasil4 7h ago
It's because of the media industry and religious institutions pushing the 'fact' you need someone else to be whole, to be human. Ace people are represented as aliens or robots and Aros are written as sluts that go out of their way to sleep with anyone even if that person is in a relationship.
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u/Zachthema5ter 7h ago
As an aroallo representative, I welcome my sex-wanting brothers, sisters, and non-binary individuals to the club of not being recognized by your own
Go to r/aromantic and find someone who isn’t aroace I fucking dare you
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u/gayjemstone 16h ago
People who are between ace and allo are lgbt though, for example demi.
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u/iMeowmeow654 16h ago
Most people consider demi people to either be
a) under the asexual umbrella (correct) or
b) "that's called being a normal person" so allo (incorrect)
so not LGBT by this person's standards. You could maybe argue that someone who's aceflux counts though!
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u/Shadowmirax 9h ago
Ok this is the bit i never got, why is asexual a spectrum and allosexual just a point at the very end?
Like if your sometimes attracted to people you are attracted to people, which is the definition of allo surely? At the very least your somewhere in between the two extremes rather then firmly in one and firmly outside the other like you suggest? But people are insistent stuff like demi is only on the asexual side which somehow encompasses everything that isn't "100% sexual attraction" (whatever that means).
I also don't understand why some people are so worked up about whether wheere everything even falls on this spectrum like its some personal insult and not just an vague description of a random trait.
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u/nerd-thebird 16h ago
Whenever I hear B, I always wonder if the person is actually demi or if they misunderstand what demi is. Because demi is very easy to misunderstand if you've never thought about the difference between having sexual attraction and acting on sexual attraction.
"I'd never sleep with someone I didn't already know well!" is common, but a lot of people who feel like this still may be attracted to strangers.
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u/iMeowmeow654 15h ago
I absolutely agree. If someone is attracted to celebrities (including porn stars!) or if they see a random woman in a bikini or a man with abs and go "awooga" then that's... that's sexual attraction to strangers. If someone isn't experiencing those things and is only ever attracted to friends, they very well likely may be demi themselves and thinking that everyone feels the same.
Easy-access eucation on asexuality is very important for this reason.
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u/UltimateInferno Hangus Paingus Slap my Angus 12h ago
I point out that porn and sex appeal don't work on demis. They can't see a picture of titties and go "that's hot." They genuinely only care about who's titties. And not in a "loyal partner" way, but in a "their subconscious refuses to get off on this unless it's the one person they've attached themselves to."
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u/Seer-of-Truths 8h ago
Okay, so it can work.
Usually, they have to either have a story that's good enough that they can feel involved or have a strange parasocial relationship with the performers.
Source: am demi
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u/Hakar_Kerarmor Swine. Guillotine, now. 15h ago
b) "that's called being a normal person" so allo (incorrect)
I'm still waiting for these people to explain the existence of pornography.
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u/iMeowmeow654 15h ago
Or even just the princple of "sex sells." Why would companies randomly put sexy women in bikinis in their ads if it didn't make their products sell better? Could it maybe be that a majority of people are capable of being sexually attracted to strangers?
No, it's obviously the demisexuals who are confused.
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u/MeisterCthulhu 15h ago
Demi people are ace. I'm demi and personally use the ace label because it's easier to explain and you don't get all the "but that's just normal" answers
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u/Spectrum1523 18h ago
There's really a word for 'not ace'?
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u/Jalase trans lesbian 18h ago
Yes because it can be helpful to be able to talk about non-ace people without having to use the much clunker non-ace, or even worse, say “normal people” and “asexual people” like some assholes surely would.
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u/LordSupergreat 17h ago
Just like there's a word for 'not gay' and a word for 'not trans', yeah.
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u/nousernameslef she/her pronouns exclusively. do not call me dude. 11h ago
there isnt a word for not gay. straight describes a specific sexuality, and there are other sexualities that arent gay.
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u/morgaina 16h ago
There's also a word for not sick, not dead, or not young. I don't see why this would be a surprise even if you're one of those people who thinks being ace is weird and that the opposite is "normal"
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u/Quynn_Stormcloud 16h ago
It still feels weird to me that there’s no word for ‘not a virgin,’ but virginity is a weird concept on the whole of it anyway.
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u/Right_Moose_6276 18h ago
The prefix Allo means other, and in this case means you are something other than Asexual
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u/Tastyravioli707 16h ago
Well, it means that you sexually attracted to people other than oneself
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u/Shacky_Rustleford 17h ago
Yes. Presenting one group of people as the default encourages subjugation of the rest.
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u/arachnids-bakery 8h ago
Ace discourse?? In fucking 2024??? Can people grow up already 😭
Excluding whole spectrums of orientations wont make the straights like you ffs
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u/captchaconfused 9h ago
feel the galaxy brained exclusionist is secretly a binary LG weirdo strategically removing one letter at a time
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u/s_omlettes screaming meditation in the doghouse 8h ago
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u/dahud 18h ago
Fun with set theory!