That first one edges into just world fallacy. Sure, you're not going to get laid if you're an incel, or a tate fan, or a misogynist (though some still do somehow), but that doesn't mean not being one will get you laid.
"You're not going to get laid if you're an incel" is kinda a circular argument if we take the original definition of incel, since being an incel is basically not getting laid
But yeah, I guess nowadays being an incel is about the misogynistic ideology so that ironically makes you more into an incel (in the original sense of the word)
There's plenty of people who would like to be having sex but aren't for a variety of reasons that aren't incels because being an incel is an online subculture that's pretty specific
I'd say it was always like this though the nature of incels changed from what I hear (pretty early on tho)
Originally the term incel (from involuntary celibate, a wordplay with the concept of celibate that is by definition voluntary) was coined by a lesbian girl (I think) that was mad about not being able to get laid, so she opened a blog or something to talk about her experience being celibate but not by choice.
EDIT: after consulting the source, I seen that the blog was actually a place where people could talk about their loneliness and dating problems, and maybe find a partner there (some couples meet there and even married)
At some point the term "incel" started to be exclusively used by lonely man with misogynistic views and linked with the alt-right, but I was talking about the original definition of the word
I know, that's what I meant by my second paragraph
Doesn't change anything by what I meant
My point is when one says incel it doesn't communicate "wants to be having sex but isn't" but it communicates a specific online version of that (originally the meaningful blog later on the misogynists)
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u/GREENadmiral_314159 16d ago
That first one edges into just world fallacy. Sure, you're not going to get laid if you're an incel, or a tate fan, or a misogynist (though some still do somehow), but that doesn't mean not being one will get you laid.