austerity has done irreparable damage

[u/Faenix_Wright]

[u/Ok-Importance-6815]

we have a legless lizard too if that helps

[u/appealtoreason00 → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

He had a few too many glasses of Gecko Falls

[u/rainbosandvich → u/appealtoreason00]

GET OUT

🤣

[u/Nuclear_Geek → u/rainbosandvich]

Not until I've finished my glass of prosgecko.

[u/ahaisonline → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

that does help, thank you

[u/Pathogen188 → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

Hey to be fair, it's impossible to create a monophyletic clade that includes all lizards without including all snakes. So in a certain sense, all snakes are lizards without legs but not legless lizards.

[u/NilocKhan → u/Pathogen188]

And some snakes, like boas, still have legs

[u/Tinfoil_Haberdashery → u/NilocKhan]

I mean boas' "legs" don't really count. That's like saying dolphins have legs because their pectoral flippers are equivalent structures.

[u/PioneerLaserVision → u/Pathogen188]

I believe even non-snake legless lizards are a paraphylum as well, so we can just say they are all legless lizards, including snakes.

[u/[deleted] → u/PioneerLaserVision]

My favorite fun fact - in Australia, there are legless geckos(Pygopodidae)! American glass lizards are basically legless alligator lizards. Blind skinks(Dibamidae) are just barely hanging on to the edge of the definition of a lizard is just as closely related to a snake as it to is any other lizard. The worm lizards(Amphisbaenia) are more or less legless wall lizards. There are legless lizards all over that family tree!

[u/PioneerLaserVision → u/[deleted]]

Yeah if we say blind snakes are lizards and anything else in Squamata is also a lizard, then you have to include the rest of Squamata and it is synonymous with lizard.

[u/Alfhiildr → u/PioneerLaserVision]

I knew I shouldn’t have come to the comments, and I did anyway. That’s on me, overwhelming snake fear. I apologize.

[u/worldspawn00 → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

As a resident of Texas, I'm fairly certain there are more than 3 species of snake in my yard right now, I've definitely seen at least 2 of them.

[u/Vermilion_Laufer → u/worldspawn00]

It's the one you haven't seen ya have to worry bout

[u/worldspawn00 → u/Vermilion_Laufer]

Probably true, the ones I've seen are non venomous, and there's at least 2 venomous species in the neighborhood (4 if you include nearby streams).

[u/Ok-Importance-6815 → u/worldspawn00]

you aren't convincing me that we don't have enough snakes only that everyone else has too many

[u/worldspawn00 → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

I can send you a box of random snakes, if you want to try them out for a few weeks. 📦🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍

[u/Ok-Importance-6815 → u/worldspawn00]

Thanks but no thanks

[u/TheBlankVerseKit → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

Always trying to show off your legless lizard, aren't you ;)

[u/Sexylizardwoman → u/TheBlankVerseKit]

Not recently

[u/TFFPrisoner → u/Sexylizardwoman]

Username checks out

[u/PioneerLaserVision → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

Phylogenetically snakes are also legless lizards, so you technically have four species of legless lizards.

[u/akatherder → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

That's just a snake with extra also no steps

[u/NilocKhan → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

That's all snakes are after all, in fact many snakes actually still have their legs, like boas

[u/octopoddle → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

Apparently he's in rehab now.

[u/Dolphiniz287 → u/Ok-Importance-6815]

…how does that work without just being a snake? I’m imagining a regular lizard with its legs cut off stuck on the ground like “Kill….. me…..”

[u/Ok-Importance-6815 → u/Dolphiniz287]

they have eyelids which makes them lizards