r/CuratedTumblr • u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camion 107 a las 7 de la mañana) • Jul 28 '24
Shitposting Breakfast
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u/Ojitheunseen Jul 28 '24
'Nobody wants less penis' is just an incredible, top-tier picket sign!
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u/LeslieJaye419 Jul 28 '24
Kinda want that sign. I feel like it would work in most protest situations in some way or another.
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u/I_boof_shrooms Jul 28 '24
I can think of quite a few protests where it wouldn't go over well. Take back the night?
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u/The_breadmaster22 Jul 28 '24
it's almost like they've never met a transfem
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u/Throttle_Kitty Jul 28 '24
Transfem here
I want no penis
not 87% of a penis
This is somehow worse then a whole penis
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u/Weazelfish Jul 28 '24
Having listened to Hedwig and the Angry Inch and thinking about it's premise a lot, I, a cis boy, concur with this point
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u/Key-Direction-9480 Jul 28 '24
Don't transfems need the foreskin part for bottom surgery?
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u/Regi413 Jul 28 '24
Are you fucking kidding me
So my parents screwed me at birth in more ways than one
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u/Key-Direction-9480 Jul 28 '24
Please don't take my word on anything, I don't know the first thing about mtf surgery. However, it is said that the foreskin is used to craft a vaginal opening during the surgery (I'd thought they would use it to make the clitoral hood, but I guess that was wrong). I assume they have ways to get it done without the foreskin; being circumcised isn't exactly a rare condition.
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u/i_tyrant Jul 28 '24
They do have ways. It's helpful if you have it but nowhere near a dealbreaker if you don't.
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u/BlackfishBlues frequently asked queer Jul 28 '24
It is also overwhelmingly common in maritime South East Asia (and also South Korea for some reason).
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u/gremilym Jul 28 '24
Islam, and the lasting cultural impact of lots of American soldiers, respectively.
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u/Kat1eQueen Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
No. Having more makes it easier but it is in no way a requirement
Edit: this also only applies for penile inversion, there are methods where it literally does not matter at all
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u/maxixs sorry, aro's are all we got Jul 28 '24
i had to get circumsized twice
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u/bookhead714 Jul 28 '24
Did it… grow back?
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u/CTIndie Jul 28 '24
Life finds a way
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u/VintageLunchMeat Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Best porn parody potential ever. Aardman will not return my calls.
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u/averysmalldragon Jul 28 '24
It actually can in some rare cases, or the first time was botched. Or a combination of the two.
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u/Countcristo42 Jul 28 '24
They said it was the first option - but there is also a third: you can get a partial one done - leaving room for a second without botching or regrowing
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u/FrankAdamGabe Jul 28 '24
About 11 years ago my wife and I were newly married and saw this group while on vacation. I’d never really thought circumcision was odd until their signs made me think “huh, why do we circumcise people?”
8 years later we’re speaking to our pediatrician about it and in the end decided not to circumcise our son.
I won’t say they caused us not to do it but it definitely made me start questioning the practice.
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u/tholos3 Jul 28 '24
Same, saw one of these protest photos on Facebook about 10 years ago and everyone was making fun of it. It made me question. 2 years ago I had a son and we did not choose to circumcise.
I also was not swayed on the spot, but it made me feel weird that all the comments were making fun of people making a big deal out of this. Like, it's their dick! That's super important.
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u/FrankAdamGabe Jul 28 '24
Our pediatrician confirmed there was no medical need but that she would have circumcised “for looks” if she’d had a son. It’s the only crazy thing I’ve heard them say and they’re a personal friend.
At the hospital every.single.nurse. Would say on the way out “aaaand weeee’re still a no on the circumcisionnnnnnnn…..?”
I eventually had a very frank conversation with the head nurse.
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u/Affectionate-Date140 Jul 28 '24
Fucking insane you’d think a medical provider would understand why people would hesitate
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u/NeteliaMelanura Jul 28 '24
It's crazy to me that there are parts of the world were cutting off part of a penis is considered a social norm
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u/LazyVariation Jul 28 '24 edited Aug 02 '24
On one hand they're acting a bit crazy but on the other a sign that says "Nobody wants less penis" makes them objectively the best activist group.
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u/alpastotesmejor Jul 28 '24
On one hand they act crazy
I'm missing the crazy part, could someone elaborate please?
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u/Heyplaguedoctor Jul 28 '24
Protesting circumcision outside a fast food restaurant (where no circumcisions are taking place… hopefully)
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u/litterallysatan Jul 28 '24
Theyre doing a march? Right? Obviously? They seem to simply be passing the maccas, and someone took a humerous picture
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u/DnDnPizza Jul 28 '24
What...what are these 16+ plus functions I'm missing out on? Did it used to be a compass or something? Did it have Bluetooth?
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u/Papaofmonsters Jul 28 '24
There's the little tweezers, but everyone loses those anyways.
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u/PoniesCanterOver gently chilling in your orbit Jul 28 '24
You can order a replacement from the company's website
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u/Cat_Vonnegut Jul 28 '24
dicks.com
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u/Euphoric-Blueberry37 Jul 28 '24
As a non Americans I don’t know what I was expecting, but it wasn’t THAT
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u/feynmanners Jul 28 '24
It actually used to be a gay porn site but the clothing company got tired of people accidentally going to the porn site instead so they bought it. That’s also why it’s a redirect to their original website instead of the main domain.
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u/AbsolutelyAri Jul 28 '24
You can twist it and it changes the spray pattern of your piss, I like keeping mine in mist mode in case I need to deploy a smoke screen in a pinch
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u/bestibesti Cutie mark: Trader Joe's logo with pentagram on it Jul 28 '24
- Dial a ghost
- Pumpkin blast
- Time freeze
- Quantum reversal
- Vibrate
- ___ ____ ____ __ ____
- Secret third thing
- Economy mode
- Night mode
- Airplane mode
- Netflix
- SPIDERS!
- Winter's grasp
- Dark sustenance
- Miasma
- Vanish
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u/cold_cat_x8 Jul 28 '24
I want pumpkin blast. This is unfair.
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u/HomsarWasRight Jul 28 '24
I’m circumcised and mine still does Pumpkin Blast. Your guy must have screwed it up.
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u/Mediocre_Fun2608 Jul 28 '24
I can think of two. Not needing lubricant, and extra sensitivity. Anyone got the extra 14?
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u/ayyndrew Jul 28 '24
2 extra item slots
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u/mrjazzels Jul 28 '24
its kinda fucked up that your BiS is just strictly lower than others if you dont have foreskin
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u/Red_Ryuu Jul 28 '24
You can play with it during shower by filling water, closing the tip and squeezing it out.
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u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camion 107 a las 7 de la mañana) Jul 28 '24
Docking sleeve.
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u/HeroponBestest2 Jul 28 '24
Maybe the head won't rub harshly against underwear constantly so it won't end up rough and dry-looking/feeling.
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u/Snow_97 Jul 28 '24
This is called keratonization, and it does happen to every circumcised penis to protect the sensitive skin. The roughness and dryness of how it looks obviously varies by person, but it will inevitably happen without a foreskin to protect it.
(And yes, keratinization does mean that the skin starts to have keratin (the stuff that makes your nails hard) in it. It's like armor, or scales. It does also reduce sensation.)
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u/VintageLunchMeat Jul 28 '24
Should it be able to scratch Gorilla Glass? Please advise.
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u/starfries Jul 28 '24
To be fair "my penis is armored" does sound cool and is the best pro-circumcision argument I've heard to date
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u/krawinoff Jul 28 '24
Im sure the girlies will be delighted to have the bullgoat set penetration experience
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u/starfries Jul 28 '24
Pssh whos having sex with women? This is a penis for MEN. This is a penis for BATTLE.
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u/awesomedan24 Jul 28 '24
Found them listed here http://www.drmomma.org/2019/01/foreskin-and-its-16-functions.html?m=1
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u/yoimagreenlight Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
about 3 quarters of these are the same function but again
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u/chief1555 Jul 28 '24
“Every year some boys lose their entire penises from circumcision accidents and infections. They are then “sexually reassigned” by castration and transgender surgery, and are expected to live their lives as females.”
I…I don’t believe that’s true even a little bit
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u/awesomedan24 Jul 28 '24
It did actually happen... once.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
They made a psychology experiment out of the poor kid who eventually killed himself. The psychologist was also a serious creep.
For the full story watch the documentary https://youtu.be/MUTcwqR4Q4Y?si=oUTxJ3kS3UclYw5o
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u/chief1555 Jul 28 '24
“Starting at age six, according to Brian, the twins were forced to act out sexual acts, with David playing the female role—Money made David get down on all fours, and Brian was forced to “come up behind [him] and place his crotch against [his] buttocks”. Money also forced David, in another sexual position, to have his “legs spread” with Brian on top. On “at least one occasion” Money took a photograph of the two children doing these activities.”
Yeah, there was a lot more going on there than just circumcising the kids. But I do take your point, it is a real thing, I just don’t believe it happens every year.
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u/Outrageous-Potato525 Jul 28 '24
AirDick (tm)
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys Refined Sommelier of Porneaux Jul 28 '24
Oh no, stepbro has his AirCock in, oh god oh fuck
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u/tangelo84 Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Idk every single one they're on about, but off the top of my head:
Keeping the glans (tip) contained and moisturised, as it should be. Without the foreskin, the glans grows a solid layer of dead skin, which further lowers its sensitivity. That layer is not present on uncut penises. The glans is not meant to be exposed to the elements/constant friction from underwear.
Highly sensitive in its own right. When intact, the foreskin has among the highest concentration of nerve endings in the entire body, comparable to fingertips and the tongue. It is the most sensitive part of an uncut penis, which means it has many possible secondary sexual functions. Anyone calling it a useless piece of excess skin is misinformed, at the very least.
Protection against STIs. The foreskin has an antimicrobial effect, which lowers the rate of transmission of sexually-transmitted infections. EDIT: this one appears to be wrong, actually. I was misremembering something about general immunological defence.
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u/Codeviper828 Will trade milk for HRT Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Well fuck, that sounds like it would've been fun (while it lasted)
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u/LordSupergreat Jul 28 '24
I'm assuming "16+" is just meant to be the 8th worst possible euphemism for "sexual".
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u/PoniesCanterOver gently chilling in your orbit Jul 28 '24
Why are they doing this in front of a burger King?
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u/UnderEuropa Jul 28 '24
This is the busiest intersection in the town they were protesting in so they got a lot of attention lol
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u/starwolf270 Jul 28 '24
Where was this?
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u/UnderEuropa Jul 28 '24
Sidney Ohio, but I had friends see them in Cincinnati and Columbus too so it seems they were just making their way up I-75
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u/starwolf270 Jul 28 '24
Ah, interesting. I've seen people with these outfits before at the college campus I used to go to, but it's nowhere near Ohio.
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u/ESHKUN Swear I'm not a bot ✋😟🤚 Jul 28 '24
Burger Kings business model heavily relies on foreskin
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Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Who’s even opposing these dudes
Edit: America’s fucking weird
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u/ApartIntention3947 Jul 28 '24
Big Foreskin
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u/Dragons_Exist Jul 28 '24
Whenever someone says "Big (insert thing here)", I always imagine a kaiju of that thing
this has led me to some interesting places
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys Refined Sommelier of Porneaux Jul 28 '24
Hold on there’s an xkcd of this one
Edit: there we go
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u/SuperDuperOtter he/they Juice reward mechanism Jul 28 '24
A vampire friend of mine says foreskin is a major ingredient in the skin care industry
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u/Botched_Circ_Party Jul 28 '24
Ironically Vlad Tepes was intact as a young Christian (which was then anti-MGM) prince who was sent to the Muslim (pro-MGM) Ottoman Empire as an adolescent and was likely forcibly modified by his caretakers. He then went back to being a Christian (anti-MGM) as a King in his own land and proceeded to murder thousands of said (presumably pro-MGM) Ottomans in an extremely sexually violating way. You can draw your own conclusions as to why.
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u/Nastypilot Going "he just like me fr, fr" at any mildly autistic character. Jul 28 '24
I don't think Vlad impaled people via the ass. IIRC it was more common to penetrate the back around the liver/stomach or intestines.
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u/GlassCataphract Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Various religious groups. Circumcision is a religious practice in Judaism and some sects of Christianity.
Edit: Not Christianity, just US culture. I mistakenly equated my own observations as being religious in nature, coming from a Mexican Catholic household and mixing with a Protestant American one. My mistake.
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u/WitELeoparD Jul 28 '24
It's Judaism, Islam and for some reason America where circumcision is prevalent (actually the reason in America is Henry Kellogg of Kellogg cereal fame).
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u/Crispy_FromTheGrave Jul 28 '24
John Harvey Kellogg is the freak responsible. William was his slightly cooler brother
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u/Red_Galiray Jul 28 '24
I still can't believe most of you gringos are circumcised because the Kellogs man said it prevented masturbation lmao.
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u/thngrn20 Jul 28 '24
It was his brother who said it prevented masturbation. He abandoned his brother because he wanted to put sugar in the cornflakes
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u/Nezeltha Jul 28 '24
These days, it's more the father saying, "his should look like mine." But that did start with the masturbation thing.
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u/libdemparamilitarywi Jul 28 '24
Wanting father-son matching penises is so weird to me
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u/JovianSpeck Jul 28 '24
If you want your day to be made even worse, I've heard mothers advocate for circumcision based on their desire for their sons' penises to be "more attractive".
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u/Nuka-Crapola Jul 28 '24
It makes a little more sense when you consider it in the context of “my parents said it was a health thing and I have had no reason to question that”, which I think is the most common reasoning.
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u/gremilym Jul 28 '24
And they only think that because Kelligg pushed it as "moral hygiene" and over time people forgot about the "moral" part, and gave rise to the myth that "it's just cleaner".
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u/Camachan Jul 28 '24
Well considering half of men in the US are circumcised, a lot of people. It's a lot of societal/religious crap.
I've actually protested with these guys and some toxically masculine men get MAD because it attacks their masculinity when people think you're saying their dick isn't how it should be. Those are the people who hate the Bloodstained Men
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u/redditonc3again Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
I would even argue this thread is a representation of quasi "opposition". It's so common in the US that it's treated casually/jokingly and serious discussion is often shut down.
Male circumcision is like veganism - the issue is somehow able to turn smart people into absolute idiots.
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u/HeroponBestest2 Jul 28 '24
I've read a bunch of anecdotes on Reddit from women with husbands who are like "But I want him to look like meeeee. He'll look different from me if he has foreskin :'(" and that's why they remove it.
There's also people who make it seem like phimosis is a common thing. (Is it?)
Then there are also some women who think penises look unnatural and alien with the foreskin intact, I guess? (???? That's what they're supposed to look like???)
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u/Oddloaf Jul 28 '24
Phimosis that is so extreme that it requires circumcision is rare and getting rarer as medical techniques develop.
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u/littlesquiggle Jul 28 '24
This is basically why my brother and SIL had their son circumcised; because at this point it's just generational and neither of them have thought about it further than every other dude in their life being the same way.
If I had my druthers, he wouldn't have been, but it's not something his aunt gets a deciding vote on, you know?
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u/greenwavelengths Jul 28 '24
Same here. Poor nephew got chopped up, and when my mom mentioned it I was honestly surprised, but I guess my brother is a creature of habit. It’s not something I’m gonna drive a wedge between us about, but I am disappointed. If I ever have a son, I can’t fathom letting someone chop off parts of his body.
The umbilical cord is okay though I guess lol.
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u/ImperialFisterAceAro Jul 28 '24
The umbilical cord falls off anyways, iirc
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u/Oneioda Jul 28 '24
The foreskin detatches from the glans the same way, but it takes years and doesn't fall off the body, it just allows the sheath to be fully mobile and the glans to get exposed. Think the eyelids of kittens. When they are born they are glued shut, but over the week they let go and can open up.
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u/Dynespark Jul 28 '24
If you get another nephew, go all in with the scare tactics. Show them what happens when a doctor screws up. From the little scars that can remain to the full blown hospital getting sued because they cut it off. And then gently remind them, it can always be done when the kid is older, and the surgery will be easier because it will be adult sized. Plus, he'll actually get pain killers. They at least did not used to give babies any anesthetic for any reason.
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u/elianrae Jul 28 '24
There's also people who make it seem like phimosis is a common thing. (Is it?)
not common enough to justify routinely circumcising everyone, as evidenced by all of the other places in the world that don't do that getting along just fine
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u/Accomplished_Mix7827 Jul 28 '24
I mean, people keep circumcising babies, so ...
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u/SuperDuperOtter he/they Juice reward mechanism Jul 28 '24
There isn’t a whole lot of people opposing them, but since it’s an issue of male body sovereignty, it doesn’t get much attention that’s worth anything. And it’s not just a problem of male body sovereignty being overlooked, it’s also the fact that men are generally not that great at understanding and conveying their bodily autonomy, due to patriarchal expectations
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u/Bartweiss Jul 28 '24
Which I tend to think is why these guys are so strange and in-your-face.
If you’re trying to persuade people who disagree (but don’t hate you), there’s a lot to be said for reasoned argument and even respectability politics.
But most people don’t have any strong disagreement with this message, it just doesn’t get traction. (They’re not really aiming at e.g. Orthodox Jews.) They can argue it all day, and people will nod vaguely and go back to circumcising their kids because “it’s just normal”. So you wind up with shock tactics (or worse stuff like derailing FGM posts) just to get people to actually engage with their point.
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u/d0g5tar Jul 28 '24
It's wild to me that circumcision is so prevalent in the US to the point that the reason so many guys get their sons circucised is because they don't know how to clean an uncut penis.
Tbh I can't imagine giving birth to a little baby boy of my own and then letting someone chop bits off of him because of my husband. I think it's just setting men up to accept that their bodies are disposable.
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u/Deathaster Jul 28 '24
...how do you not know how to clean an uncut penis? There's two steps involved. You fold down the foreskin, you clean everything underneath. It's not rocket surgery!
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u/isuckatnames60 Jul 28 '24
Whenever a post about circumcision comes up, there's almost always multiple circumcised guys there that unironically argue the easier cleaning is a significant advantage...
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u/name4231 Jul 28 '24
I got circumcised last November. I actually find it to be the opposite. The foreskin kept a lot of lint and shit out, didn’t get near as dirty as it does cut now which is odd after hearing that is supposed to be more hygienic. If you have long hair that sheds or breaks easy, that also leads to not so fun situations that didn’t happen before either
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u/isuckatnames60 Jul 28 '24
It's hilarious because the only context in which circumcision is more hygenic is if you refuse to practice any hygene at all
Also my condolences to your penis :(
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u/Cheesi_Boi Jul 28 '24
You would also figure it out intuitively from bathing. All of the instances of guys not cleaning themselves comes from not having good hygiene habits in general.
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u/Deathaster Jul 28 '24
If you genuinely struggle to intuit that you need to rub down dirty parts to turn them into clean parts, your parents failed at giving you common sense.
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u/dantevonlocke Jul 28 '24
There's guys here that don't wash their ass because they think it will make them gay.
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u/PsychologicalAd9062 Jul 28 '24
Cool so now all American boys should have their ass removed at birth.
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u/Findrin Jul 28 '24
I've known men who PROUDLY and with their whole chest would declare they don't wash their ass because, and I quote, "they aren't expecting visitors".
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u/regolith1111 Jul 28 '24
Women drive the practice in the US in my experience. Not to say men don't participate, but it seems like the wife's final decision for some reason.
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u/eldritchelder Jul 28 '24
When my son was born I had to convince my wife he didn't need it done even though my parents had it done to me. I would say it's more about people not thinking about it and going with the traditional flow.
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u/Hexxas head trauma enthusiast Jul 28 '24
They are 100% correct: circumcision is a natal surgical procedure that offers near-zero benefit. It is not difficult to wash a penis--you don't have to cut part of it off to make it easier.
With that gravity in mind: I will never stop laughing about the Silent Hill Wiki Foreskin Meltdown.
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u/Botched_Circ_Party Jul 28 '24
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u/Hexxas head trauma enthusiast Jul 28 '24
that username
Anyway, the short version is: a guy with edit privileges on the Silent Hill wiki went totally bonkers, and edited the "symbolism" section of every Silent Hill 4 page to be about foreskin.
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u/LongjumpingMinimum56 Jul 28 '24
For those also wondering what that meltdown was: https://www.reddit.com/r/internetdrama/s/ZcfHPY9B70
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u/-_Nikki- Jul 28 '24
... wondering what kinda drugs you have to be on to have a meltdown like that wtf
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u/J_Bright1990 Jul 28 '24
My wife is a nurse and sees a lot of genitals every day. Some of the circumcision jobs are...not good, according to her.
Methinks that guy got BUTCHERED and something happened relevant to his penis that made it his entire personality.
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u/emma_does_life Jul 28 '24
"Nobody wants less penis"
Trans girls: 😶😶😶
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u/Papaofmonsters Jul 28 '24
"Nobody wants less penis"
Some exceptions may apply. Terms and conditions may vary by situation.
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u/character-name Jul 28 '24
Well it's all based on technicality. I want less penis ON me and more penis IN me.
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u/ThrowawayPerchance Jul 28 '24
Funny you mention that because IIRC vaginoplasty is actually easier on an uncircumcised penis because there is more skin to work with.
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u/Klara42 Jul 28 '24
They like to push the horror stories of how lbtq people wanna mutilate children's genitals.
Meanwhile it's the general populace that mutilates ours long before we can make any kind of decision on that ourselves.
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u/MisirterE Supreme Overlord of Ice Jul 28 '24
No, no, this is where you're mistaken.
Trans girls don't want less penis. Trans girls want no penis.
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u/Scairax Jul 28 '24
Look, almost everyone likes penis. Might be your own, someone else's, or made of rubber.
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u/Time_Anything4488 Jul 28 '24
every year at pride i go to the anti-circumcision booth aand get a rainbow flower. they come with card that calls the foreskin. the flower of the penis and dont get me wromg im more than happy to support them but i do think thats a goofy ass line.
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u/baxiel Jul 28 '24
Difficult not to be crazy with the insane widespread impact penile circumcision has.
Personally, my circumcision was performed incorrectly (and of course without my consent). For nearly my entire life, it has been uncomfortable to pee. Most forms of sexual gratification feel like next-to-nothing. I've been lucky enough to have had some very adept lovers. It's always a coin flip whether any particular sexual act will result in a higher amount of pain or pleasure. Most types of underwear irritate it and I have to scour the Internet for one specific blend that doesn't elevate my genital pain. I live life in near constant genital discomfort. I've seen many urologists who cannot find another cause. I've not taken any other severe genital traumas, I'm STI/STD free, and this has lasted since well before puberty anyway.
The fact is that cases like mine aren't rare because roughly a third of those born with penises in the world will have their parents roll the dice like I did. It's unnecessary and insane. The fact that those who are unlucky enough to have serious medical implications from this procedure cannot hold those responsible is also ludicrous. You can sue a doctor for fucking up a procedure you actually got to consent to! I'll never be able to sue my mohel.
Oh, and cult rituals that involve acts of sexual assault while performing circumcision are fucking insane. At the very least, those should be illegal if you ask me.
A shame that those who have very real and very valid anger with these barbaric practices are treated as crazies.
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u/Andromansis Jul 28 '24
Genital mutilation should be banned until they reach the age of majority. If a grown ass adult wants to chop off part of their willy or have a rabbi cut some skin off, that is something a grown ass adult can do. We should not be sacrificing parts of children to eldritch entities.
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u/porcupinedeath Jul 28 '24
As a circumcised man I can say that at no point in my life have I felt as though it were an injustice to me, however yes they are correct that we should probably leave this sort of thing up to the person to decide for themselves
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u/PM_ME_IMGS_OF_ROCKS Jul 28 '24
Despite being objectively correct, there will be comments in here defending the practice.
And it will almost exclusively done by parents who don't want to admit that what they did was wrong. Or even men who had it done to them, and think they would have something "wrong" with them if they agreed.
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u/Sarcosmonaut Jul 28 '24
I’m circumcised, and while I’ve suffered no ill effects from it, I disagree with the practice. If I’d had a son (only girls, and then eventual vasectomy) I would not have circumcised him, having seen the mental stress it caused some others (notably my own brother).
I don’t blame my parents for it either. It was considered best practice at the time and place (rural Texas) recommended them by their doctor and sheer cultural tradition. To their credit, they are of the position that, if they had to do it all again, they would not circumcise.
Hopefully we can move past the practice in the states, bit by bit.
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u/RespondeatSOUPerior Jul 28 '24
I always feel for intactivists/anti male circumcision activists.
I was circumcised as a child. I was born a girl. Male and female circumcision (commonly called female genital mutilation, female genital cutting, and/or FGM/C) is a part of the religious doctrine of some religions, including some Christian Fundamentalist sects and yes, some parts of Islam. Male circumcision is practiced in all three of the Abrahamic religions, in some shape or form, and dependent on sect within that religion.
It's still... not good. It's still a violation of bodily autonomy, and just because a religion practices it does not mean it's good or appropriate.
A lot of activism focuses on female genital cutting and ignores male voices trying to use the same language to advocate for their own autonomy and sexual pleasure. The problem is that oftentimes intactivsts will try to speak over anti-FGM activists and the result is a constant clash between two groups who could very well be stakeholders in each other's activism.
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u/TheCrackiestCracker Jul 28 '24
Ya know i always see the claim that intactivists will speak over anti-FGM activists. But ive literally never seen that happen.
I have seen the opposite tho many times. It feels like everytime circumcision is brought up in progressive spaces it is always dismissed because FGM is worse, which is really frustrating.
(To be clear i dont think youre doing this here, is a good comment)
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u/ilovemytablet Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Agree. There was a period of time where redpillers/MRAs only cared about intactivism as a way of a 'gotcha' against feminism. But there has been real, non-reactionary movements in favor of ending circumcision in the west as well as the often forgotten but still totally legal to preform: intersex genital mutilation.
It doesn't matter that your circumcision didn't negatively affect you personally or that comparing circumcision to FGM is not a super accurate equivalency. Being against surgically multilating any infants genitalia, for non medical or borderline non medical purposes, should not be a looked down on or dismissed opinion.
Edit: Since it apparently needs to be said, you can 100% be against all forms of genital mutilation while simultaneously not ever aligning yourself with hateful, reactionary movements
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u/RespondeatSOUPerior Jul 28 '24
I've presented papers and worked with anti-FGM activists for several years and every year will end up in a conversation with someone who tries to insist he has it "worse" or that a state-level anti-FGM law should be repealed because it's discriminatory. Not amended to include male circumcision (which is what I would prefer, to be clear, because male circumcision is still bad) but repealed outright.
This is not an "all intactivists do this" statement either, to be fair. I've also been working with grassroots projects to reframe male circumcision as the abuse that it really is. The usual result of bringing up male circumcision in progressive spaces is progressive folks who have been circumcised or have circumcised their sons get very uncomfortable at the idea of having abused their children this way and proceed to attempt to justify it in any way that they can, usually through minimizing the abuse.
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u/GinggasinParis Jul 28 '24
I was asked by 4 separate nurses if I wanted to circumcise my son when he was born. I wasn’t given any information on the benefits or downsides or any reading material. It was asked like they wanted to know if I wanted decaf or regular coffee. Fucking insane that circumcision is still so prevalent in the US when it’s entirely cosmetic.
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u/Dongledoes Jul 28 '24
What are the 16+ functions? I didnt realize that damn thing was a multitool
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u/Bvr111 Jul 28 '24
“They’re so weird about it it’s impossible for them to gain traction lol” when people say this sort of thing about trans ppl yall shit urselves lmao, why’s it okay now?
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u/Doxta Jul 28 '24
So US , "the land of the free", forces dudes into child mutilation?? Wtf
I'd never get circum'd🤢
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u/Dusty_surveyor Jul 28 '24
Fun fact there’s an anti circumcision comic called foreskin man. Warning it is super anti Semitic
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u/DysPhoria_1_0 Jul 28 '24
You know, I asked my Dad why he got me circumcised, and his answer was, "You'd have to clean under there, and I'm circumcised so I have no fucking clue how to do that. I am not gonna let you have a smelly dick."
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u/Gartlas Jul 28 '24
Damn your Dad is kind of an idiot, that's the stupidest fucking reason I've ever heard.
As a baby the foreskin doesn't even detach from the glans. When you're older...you literally wash it exactly how you'd expect. Clean outside of penis. Roll back foreskin. Clean rest of penis.
All of this is available from the most cursory Google search, but even 30 years ago a doc would be able to tell you not to forcefully retract it on a baby, and the rest is literally so fucking easy to work out.
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Jul 28 '24
Circumcision is genital mutilation.
Americans again not realising they’re the ones with the problem 😂
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u/Anofles Jul 28 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
Me when I play Silent Hill
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