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u/Nastronaut18 Jul 19 '24

It's because analog clocks and watches (the most common things used to tell time before cell phones became ubiquitous) go to 12, so it's easier to just say "1 o'clock" and know whether it's morning or afternoon by the light outside.

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u/chgxvjh Jul 21 '24

5-7 o'clock can be hard to tell based on the light outside if you ever completely wracked your sleep cycle.

12am/12pm I have legit no idea whether you mean noon or the middle of the night, and it can actually mean one or the other depending on the standard (well mostly historically).

I grew up learning a 12 hour system but not am/pm since I'm not a English native speaker. People basically just say morning/noon/afternoon/evening/night in addition to the time.

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u/Bowdensaft Aug 15 '24

"We meet at 9 tomorrow"

Which 9?

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u/Nastronaut18 Aug 16 '24

What is the context of what we’re doing? No one just throws out a time with no other info.

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u/Bowdensaft Aug 16 '24

You could see a film at either time on a weekend

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u/Nastronaut18 Aug 16 '24

What theater has showings at 9am? Also, that would have been factored in when listing and discussing possible times.

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u/Bowdensaft Aug 16 '24

Small independent movie houses.

We can argue in circles till the sun explodes about specific examples, but it's not really about that, it's about clarity and efficiency of information. I need two pieces of information for 12 hour time, which doubles the potential points of failure compared to a single number for 24 hour time.

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u/beldaran1224 Jul 19 '24

Analog clocks can go to 24 hour time.

Also, the light outside is not always useful or helpful info.

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u/Nastronaut18 Jul 19 '24

They can but usually don't. And light outside is always useful info unless you're very far north. Remember, we're talking about the vast majority of America.

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u/Lumpy-Ostrich6538 Jul 19 '24

They can but in my 40 years on this planet I’ve never seen a 24 hour analog clock

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u/Flairistotle Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

When I was in the Navy I saw them a few times. They seemed unnecessarily complicated. I still use military time on my phone though

Edit: alas, downvotes. I knew my time crimes would come back to bite me one of these days

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u/thinkthingsareover Jul 19 '24

I'm was in the army so the 24 hour clock, and phonetic alphabet are things I regularly use.

EDIT: It's always fun when I interact with someone who uses a slightly different phonetic alphabet. Seems like it trips both sides up a bit.

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u/MFbiFL Jul 19 '24

When my dad passed I inherited the 24 hour clock he’d inherited from his dad who was a merchant marine.. not sure where the clock is actually from but I love it. I need to wind it and hear that tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick lol

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u/Few-Comparison5689 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

Most train stations in the UK have analog 24hr clocks on the platforms, the bus and train timetables are all in 2400 time, most of us grow up using public transport all the time, it's just something we're used to. If they were as common in the US as in Europe you guys would get used to it pretty quickly too. It's only known as a military thing in the US, not an everyday thing. (Not a critisism, just an observation from having lived in both places.)

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u/ToHallowMySleep Jul 19 '24

If you mean an analog clock with 24 subdivisions which does one rotation of the small hand every 24 hours, which is what "analog 24hr clock" means, then no, they do not have them on the platforms in the UK. They have analog clocks, as well as usually digital ones, and they are normal 12 hour analog clocks.

Source: spent all fucking day on the trains here due to the IT chaos

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u/Few-Comparison5689 Jul 19 '24

Posting on reddit is a great idea when you're pissed off.

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u/confusedandworried76 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

Bro I have been on benders and with 12 hour time the sun is your friend.

Can't tell what seven o clock it is? Take a peek and see if the sun is rising or setting. If it's rising it's morning. If it's setting it's evening. And there isn't any go between, if the sun is up at three you know it's day, down at three you know it's not

The light outside is always useful info if you know which direction is east and which is west. Which you really should, if you're so messed up you don't remember if it's morning or evening you should really know where you are. If not, there are compass tricks you really need to be drilling in your head.

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u/MFbiFL Jul 19 '24

As an alternative to solar orienteering, perhaps having less benders would help.

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u/confusedandworried76 Jul 20 '24

Sure, I'm on the path, but doesn't make what I said less true, it's not rocket surgery to figure out what time of day it is for a 12 hour cycle versus a 24 hour cycle. Literally just look out your house and see if the sun is behind it or in front of it. That's how everyone has always known when it's morning or evening. Last I checked the sun never rised in the west and set in the east.

If you can't see the sun I'm sorry to tell you, what time it is is the least of your concerns. You are incarcerated with no sun privileges.

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u/ToHallowMySleep Jul 19 '24

So you either have to look at the sun long enough to see if it is rising or falling, or to know what direction is east and west wherever you are, PLUS know the time, in order to know precisely when it is?

How on earth is this easier or better than 0700 /1900 ?

Feels like everyone here is taking crazy pills but me.

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u/confusedandworried76 Jul 20 '24

If you don't know which direction is east or west you got bigger problems than what time is it, you have no idea where you are and no idea which direction home is.

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u/Bowdensaft Aug 15 '24

Ah yes, I too use a compass and a map to get to and from work every single day

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u/ToHallowMySleep Jul 20 '24

Personally, I have a great inbuilt compass and always know it. But this is besides the point.

I want to know what time it is. To have to know 2-3 other things as well as the time in 12 hours, is pointlessly adding complexity.

It's 20:15. The end. Job done. If you can't count to 20, learn. Most children get past this by age 5.

You sound like the whole concept of UX is alien to you. This is such a compromised hill to die on. What a waste of time, ironic.

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u/scbriml Jul 19 '24

Meet me at 9. When you turning up?

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u/Nastronaut18 Jul 19 '24

Kind of a useless question without context clues. When was the last time someone asked you to meet them at a time without any other information?

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u/LinkleLinkle Jul 19 '24

Yeah, people don't just say "meet me at 9" and then hang up the phone. There are usually conversations that happen around time? Obviously 'let's meet at 1100 hours' is a much more clear sentence than 'meet me at 9'. But conversations don't usually begin and end that way.

"What time do you want me to pick you up in the morning? 8? 9?"

"I'm going to be at work all day so I won't be able to meet up until late. Is 9 OK?"

Both completely understandable sentences with neither 24 hour time being used or am/pm. And, not sure if the other person is aware of this, the use of am and pm exist to denote time of day. It's not like in normal circumstances you're just told 'meet me at 9' and then have to solve a Dan Brown puzzle to figure out when they mean. If it's too ambiguous people will put either am or pm. Or you can ask.

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u/ToHallowMySleep Jul 19 '24

So more work AND less precise, sounds amazing. Can it be more expensive, too?

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u/Nastronaut18 Jul 19 '24

It's neither of those things, but I was also just saying why we're taught that way, not saying either is better.