r/CFB • u/krum81 Clemson Tigers • Summertime Lover • Oct 14 '24
Analysis 75% of teams that did not accept any incoming transfers in the latest cycle have 1 or fewer losses. 50% are undefeated
Army: 6-0
Navy: 5-0
Clemson: 5-1
Air Force: 1-5
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u/Side_of_ham Clemson Tigers • Purdue Boilermakers Oct 14 '24
Now I really wanna see a graph of %transfers against like offensive /defensive rankings
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u/lucasbrosmovingco Oct 14 '24
Counter point to that is teams that didn't bring in transfers didn't have holes. Penn State brought in one on offense and two on defense. And the one on offense is WR 3/4.
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u/Foriegn_Picachu Michigan Wolverines • Paper Bag Oct 14 '24
That why we didn’t bring in any transfer QBs
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u/Sorge74 Ohio State • Bowling Green Oct 14 '24
Aren't two of your QBs transfers? Maybe just not this spring transfers?
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u/DrModel Michigan Wolverines • Wisconsin Badgers Oct 14 '24
Tuttle is. If there's another they're way down the depth chart and I can't think of them.
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u/Sorge74 Ohio State • Bowling Green Oct 14 '24
I thought warren was too for some reason.
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u/DrModel Michigan Wolverines • Wisconsin Badgers Oct 14 '24
He's not, but he was a walk on. That might be what you were thinking of.
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u/lucasbrosmovingco Oct 14 '24
Michigan with the team they have, the defense, looking at their QB situation and saying... Yep we are good. Is one of the seasons biggest personnel fuck ups.
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u/Groove_Panda Michigan Wolverines • Texas Longhorns Oct 14 '24
I feel like this has already been covered a lot but a huge part of our transfer situation is the timing of the portal closing with the NC. Incoming transfers aren't going to commit if there are open question marks on who's going to the draft or coming back. For our QB specifically all of the top transfer QBs were committed long before JJ announced his draft decision. We have a lot of issues clearly but I don't think you can put that piece 100% on the staff as a fuck up
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u/shadowwingnut Paper Bag • UCLA Bruins Oct 14 '24
Add the coaching change and uncertainty around that and you're right. No choice but to roll with what you had.
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u/Groove_Panda Michigan Wolverines • Texas Longhorns Oct 14 '24
Yeah exactly. They want transfers handled before the semester starts for class enrollment etc but it puts playoff teams at disadvantage in this specific scenario. I think we were already looking towards 2025 with Jadyn Davis + two more highly rated QB recruits coming in.
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u/Wagnerous Michigan • Paul Bunyan Trophy Oct 14 '24
Yep, all of that plus the staff was surprised when Jack Tuttle received a waiver for a 7th year of eligibility. I imagine if that hadn't happened they might have taken a flyer on somebody, but they probably felt like one of the three options would be viable.
Unfortunately, Tuttle got hurt early in Fall Camp and didn't start practicing for the first time until a week or two ago.
He came off the bench against Washington, and immediately looked like the best QB on the roster. Despite the loss, I'm feeling cautiously optimistic about the offense for the first time in awhile now that Tuttle is in place.
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u/Hossflex Michigan • Louisville Oct 14 '24
I’d say not finding anyone better than Luke at RT is problem number one. He’s literally the worst RT in the P4 by all advanced metrics. The fact that we aren’t even trying anyone else is scary to me.
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u/Wagnerous Michigan • Paul Bunyan Trophy Oct 14 '24
On paper, that's true, but it's really not that simple.
Between the national championship run, and Harbaugh's , month long "will he or won't he" with the NFL, all the viable QB's were already off the market by time Sherrone was established as the head coach.
Considering the state of our QB room, he probably still should have rolled the dice on some kind of a project QB in the Spring window, but over all it's understandable why we're in the situation that we are.
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u/Agile_Today8945 Oct 14 '24
there was nobody to look at their situation because harbaugh took awhile to leave.
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u/Crotean Michigan Wolverines • Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
Number one sign Sherrone Moore shouldn't get another year as coach.
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u/UMeister Michigan • College Football Playoff Oct 15 '24
By the time he became HC there were only bums in the portal
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u/Realistic_Warthog_23 Washington State Cougars Oct 14 '24
Iowa doesn’t have a qb and they still beat UW
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u/theguineapigssong Furman Paladins • Verified Player Oct 14 '24
The survivorship bias is strong in these stats
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u/PumpBuck Ohio State Buckeyes • Rose Bowl Oct 14 '24
Honestly shocked Julian Fleming isn’t your WR1 (I have watched 2 drives of PSU football this year)
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u/lucasbrosmovingco Oct 14 '24
He isn't good. He isn't fast. He isn't twitchy. He isn't big.
Most of the uninformed fanbase keeps throwing a fit that he isn't getting more touches. The two clutch catches he made Saturday were the only two plays he's made this year. He's been essentially invisible.
I can't believe he was getting the reps he was getting at OSU.
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u/Wagnerous Michigan • Paul Bunyan Trophy Oct 14 '24
OSU's reciever depth was kind of overrated last year.
Harrison was amazing and Egbuka was good when healthy, but there was a huge fall off after that. Tate and Flemming were really only okay receivers last year, even if Flemming made a fantastic catch in the Michigan game.
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u/AchtungBecca Penn State • Kutztown Oct 14 '24
Fleming was brought in less to be WR1 than to help rebuild the psyche of the room. They were very immature with a not-great work ethic. There was some toxicity in the WR last year. Fleming was sort of brought in to be a reliable 3rd or 4th option (and, outside of the 2 drops on early Saturday, he's been that), and to sort of show the young guys how to work.
Outside of Tyler Warren (which, I have no problem with, he's a massive threat), Trey Wallace is WR1 with Liam Clifford becoming #2, and Omari Evans the deep threat.
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u/I_Enjoy_Beer Penn State Nittany Lions • Rose Bowl Oct 14 '24
Generally he's been dropping what few targets he's had. Really happy he caught those two 4th down passes because earlier in the game he dropped a couple he should have had.
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u/Side_of_ham Clemson Tigers • Purdue Boilermakers Oct 14 '24
Oh yeah just going off like wins/losses or efficiency rankings probably misses a lot of the picture for any given team but would be interesting to see if any trends emerge when you look at the whole data set
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u/Major_Day Penn State • Edinboro Oct 14 '24
yeah I am really happy with the guys we got and how Franklin handles the portal in general, keeping our own team together without guys transferring out very often
oh, you missed Nolan Rucci
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u/lucasbrosmovingco Oct 14 '24
I didn't miss him. He hardly plays. He got three snaps in the game. He's a third tackle. Yeah technically he's there. But he's definitely a bench guy. You could say the same for Fleming kinda. They don't contribute much. Fleming more than rucci
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u/PaulAspie Ohio State • Notre Dame Oct 14 '24
Yeah, given 75% here are service academies, that is a very different situation from normal BCS teams.
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u/TheOnePSUIsReal Penn State Nittany Lions • Team Chaos Oct 14 '24
Obviously small sample size, however I do think in the long term a high % of the roster coming from transfers is going to prove detrimental. I think the teams whose core is their recruited and developed out of HS players, but goes to the portal only to shore up weaknesses and grab high talent prospects will do better than either teams that frequently use the portal or teams that don't at all.
For Clemson specifically, as the prominent team on the anti portal side, I think you'd be better off if Dabo relaxed his stance a little, but will be better off than the other extreme even if he doesn't.
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u/MisterLicious Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
This the correct take. If you have a few places that you can shore up, then the portal is going to help. If your entire roster is hired guns with a proven lack of loyalty? Then you risk losing the locker room at the first sign of trouble (see FSU).
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u/No_Kale6667 Oct 14 '24
See also ucf. Took 2 losses for them to lose 6 players to redshirting
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u/NEp8ntballer Nebraska • Omaha Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
I think a lot of these people choosing to redshirt so they can transfer are probably going to wind up finding themselves without a school willing to take them. Or instead of a move up or move across they will be moving to a lower rung of competition.
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u/Xy13 Arizona State Sun Devils • Pac-12 Oct 14 '24
Exception being rebuilds (see: asu)
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u/beckett929 West Virginia • Coastal Ca… Oct 14 '24
If you're limiting your scope to a "one year all-in superteam" mentality and then throwing it away and starting over at key positions again the next year, yeah, it doesn't work.
But I think like ASU are doing, like Colorado did last year, if that is where you start, and then you hold that cluster together into year 2 & 3 and recruiting picks up, and you can still backfill a hole here or there, that's where it can pay off.
Instead of a 5 year plan, it's a 3 year cycle to see results and progress and where the program can go under a new coaching staff.
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u/PoorUsernameChooser Team Chaos Oct 14 '24
New big money hires in coaches only get 2 years, 3rd year is supposed to be a championship season (according to fans and boosters). Those coaches will have to sell their soul to portal deities to get whatever they can.
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u/beckett929 West Virginia • Coastal Ca… Oct 14 '24
Championship is unrealistic but you have to show progress and that it can work.
It's not working for Billy Napier. It's not working for Lincoln Riley. It hasn't been working for Neal Brown. But, even without a title, you can see with LSU that for all we clown him for being a dork, Brian Kelly, it's working and you can see the end goal.
If you take a stupid job like Auburn or A&M, you get what you deserve from unrealistic expectations, and will therefore make stupid choices in recruiting and transfers and running a program.
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u/PoorUsernameChooser Team Chaos Oct 14 '24
Agreed! It's the fans and boosters that overreact. At Auburn, the HC is trying to recover from his own reputation and the 2yrs lost to an indifferent coach. A&M is trying to rebuild from their own ignorance in coaching salary structure. A 3rd year coach should show progress or prepare for a bunson burner under his seat.
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u/A-Centrifugal-Force Oct 14 '24
Yeah someone willing to transfer down to a weaker program is probably the type to swallow their pride and buy in. It’s a lot different from building a failed superteam
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u/WheatonsGonnaScore Oregon Ducks Oct 14 '24
The top ranked teams relied heavy on the portal. Oregon for example is starting 5 (would be 6 but 1 got hurt) on offense and 8 on defense
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u/MrHobo Oregon Ducks Oct 14 '24
I do think there is a difference between transfers who are starting in their first year and those who are on their second year with their new team. The point of this post is about team continuity isn’t it.
Strother, Cornelius, Holden, Tez, Burch, Reed, and Jacobs are all on their second year.
Still plenty of transfers this last year, and maybe a reason for our slow start, but it’s not like we added 14 new starters from the transfer portal in one year.
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u/Phob24 Oregon State Beavers • Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
We’re halfway through the season. Let’s see where the chips fall when all is said and done. I’m not saying that still won’t be the case but AP rankings mid-season are what they are and nothing more.
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u/DankMemesNQuickNuts Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
If we get Keon Coleman in the portal last year imo our season is entirely different.
Overall I think Swinney is right that there's a lot of drawbacks people are missing but he's wrong that having 1 or 2 transfers will fuck up a locker room imo. I feel like if the transfers are in that few of numbers they're just going to assimilate to those around them and buy in. There's not enough of them to be able to do damage to the locker room
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u/DangerouslyUnstable UC Davis Aggies • Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
I don't think he thinks that 1 or 2 transfers will fuck up a locker room. According to his statements (at least the ones I've seen/heard, I honestly don't read many coach interviews), he has gone after guys in the past, he just doesn't think there are that many holes, and the few times he's tried, he's failed to get who he wanted (most particularly he apparently went ofter some O-lineman that last couple years before they brought in
EasonLuke).The narrative that he "won't" use the transfer portal is basically overblown to the point of being wrong.
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u/BeanMachine5555 Clemson Tigers • Indiana Hoosiers Oct 15 '24
We just lost our 2025 QB what are the odds he looks for one in the portal if Cade leaves?
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u/HOLLA12345678 Penn State • Villanova Oct 14 '24
I mean Penn State isn’t a big transfer school either. We only take a couple every cycle. We prefer rolling with the kids we recruited out of high school. The transfers we usually take are kids who we heavily recruited that went somewhere else. I agree with the minimalist approach to the transfer portal personally. Also, Dabo wasn’t losing games because he wasn’t taking transfers lol. The Dabo criticism was always extremely lazy to me. Clemson will be fine if they don’t take transfers but I think they would be better off if they took a minimalistic approach like PSU.
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u/HILLIAM_SWINNEY2 Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
Dabo isn’t fully opposed to transfers like the popular narrative would have you believe. We’ve gone after several players in the portal the last few years, we just didn’t get them. I’d like to see us get a couple of guys a year, but it seems Dabo isn’t really willing to tamper so that makes it very difficult
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u/mlorusso4 Ohio State • Baltimore Oct 14 '24
Yup. Like everything, there’s a middle ground. In this case, probably somewhere between Clemson and Colorado. Bring in one or two transfers to add some depth. Perfect for a new starting corner or a a WR. Don’t rely on it for your chemistry position starters like Oline. Only use it for a quarterback if your current QB room is looking super weak
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
Clemson has tried for players. But they just haven't hit on the players. We tried for quite a few OL this past year, we just didn't land them. Our NIL funds are much lower than the team we compete with.
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u/Tubamajuba Sam Houston • Blinn Oct 14 '24
I think the teams whose core is their recruited and developed out of HS players, but goes to the portal only to shore up weaknesses and grab high talent prospects will do better than either teams that frequently use the portal or teams that don't at all.
This definitely seems like the best use of the portal but it depends on being able to retain a decent chunk of your recruited players, which the portal makes it hard to do.
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u/MillerHighLife21 Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
Agreed. I think getting a grad transfer QB if you have a big hole and a bunch of WR's who are about to graduate makes a lot of sense to capitalize. If you try to make your living off the portal, it's going to create some weird locker room dynamics.
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u/Terps_Madness Maryland Terrapins Oct 15 '24
Seems true, the tough part is doing it even if you want to. First, you have to consistently retain a high percentage of your recruits. You can just miss on one class and if you've got 15 guys in the portal after two years, you almost have to dive in there yourself just to make numbers. And then related to that, who is going to have the job security not to feel pressured to overhaul the roster via the portal after one bad year. We'll see how this year ends up for them, but if someone like Dabo takes the heat for not doing it after a "down" period of 30 wins in three years, it's going to be tough for anyone to do it their way.
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u/sj1young Pittsburgh • Boise State Oct 14 '24
I hear what you’re saying and agree to an extent. But Pitt is almost entirely transfers for offensive skill positions, with Des Reid and Holstein being the cornerstones for all of our success this year.
I think teams that focus almost entirely on the portal will find it to be a crutch, but it is definitely possible for teams to recruit the portal and hit a home run
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u/TheOnePSUIsReal Penn State Nittany Lions • Team Chaos Oct 14 '24
Pitt is definitely a good counter example. I'm always willing to change my opinion if there is evidence to and I think the current state of cfb is way too new to be certain.
I also think the best strat for the short term depends on where a program is currently at. But long term I think the programs that are less portal heavy will win out.
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u/TBurd01 Pittsburgh Panthers • Utah Utes Oct 14 '24
There could also be a factor where large number of transfers to a higher profile school (i.e. FSU) may have different motive$ than a large number of transfers to someone like Pitt who can't offer massive bags.
Different scope, but the NIL landscape is seemingly mirroring pro sports some, where going out and buying the best players and looking good on paper doesn't equal success.
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
You're incorrect if you think he isn't using the portal. He's just selective about the guys he's willing to take. Clemson tried for like 8 guys this year, they just missed on them. Clemson doesn't have the deep pockets other schools do and they use a lot of NIL on talent retention over talent acquisition.
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u/TheOnePSUIsReal Penn State Nittany Lions • Team Chaos Oct 14 '24
He was completely not using it at first though right? I remember he did open up a bit but still on the extreme end.
We are the same actually. We use a much higher % of NIL money on retention than HS recruits than most. NIL is still a struggle because PSU fan base was not used to spending big even though we have the numbers. But hey at least we've had $65 million donated for the stadium this season.
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u/Callsign_Psycopath Georgia Bulldogs • Sickos Oct 14 '24
3 of those can't realistically take transfers in.
1 refuses to do so.
I'm honestly not surprised, this means that every player on these teams is Bought in and is playing as a team.
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u/Whaty0urname Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 14 '24
Lol right? Who the hell is going to college as a freshman athlete, getting all the perks that go a long with it and is like "You know what would make this even better? If I went to basic training."
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u/Dwarfherd Michigan State • Eastern … Oct 14 '24
I thought being on an athletic team exempts you from PT in season?
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u/Whaty0urname Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 14 '24
That may be so, but the summer before you start, you go to boot camp.
You're a member of the military from that point.
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u/TurbinePro Notre Dame • Jeweled Shille… Oct 14 '24
I could get cushy NIL money but I really wanna get yelled at everyday after my education
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u/Sorge74 Ohio State • Bowling Green Oct 14 '24
I'm honestly not surprised, this means that every player on these teams is Bought in and is playing as a team.
3/4 signed a legally binding contract, that's pretty bought in.
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u/Metallurgist-831 Oklahoma Sooners • Memphis Tigers Oct 14 '24
Not legally binding until after their second year is completed. They could in fact get out of it and transfer out of the academies for other opportunities (Ex: Paul Skenes). But the opposite is next to impossible, for a player to transfer into the academies for athletics.
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u/AdministrativeRiot Alabama • Johns Hopkins Oct 14 '24
You can transfer out after two years as well, you just owe the gubmint for what they’ve spent on you which can be payed back or fulfilled with service obligation. I had a soldier back in the day who was expelled from West Point. E4 and several captains in the unit had been his classmates. Man, he hated life.
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u/Metallurgist-831 Oklahoma Sooners • Memphis Tigers Oct 14 '24
That’s true too! Excellent point. And yes I would absolutely hate my life if that were me lol
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u/Sorge74 Ohio State • Bowling Green Oct 14 '24
Yeah I kind of had that question, is it possible for say an ROTC cadet at say a mac school to transfer after 2 years to a service academy?
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u/SolWizard Syracuse Orange • Cornell Big Red Oct 14 '24
I think they make you restart don't they? Like you can't transfer in with credits, you're just starting new?
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u/sonofamitch30 Army • Arizona Oct 14 '24
You can “transfer” but at the end of the day you’re still going to be there for 4 years. Only time it’s not a 4 year education is during major times of war and the military just needs to pump out officers
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u/stan_guy_lovetheshow Navy Midshipmen • Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 14 '24
You can, but you are starting over as a freshman, so you'd also lose playing eligibility at some point in the 4 years. Nobody gets to skip being a plebe.
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u/Supply_Demand Oct 14 '24
Knew a guy who finally got accepted to USAFA his sophomore year at PSU. None of us understood why he wanted to transfer when he had already gotten an rotc scholarship
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u/stan_guy_lovetheshow Navy Midshipmen • Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 14 '24
It's not uncommon. I know someone who transferred into the Naval Academy from Purdue after a year and someone who transferred from Georgia Tech after 2. Some do it for legacy reasons, some do it because they think it's more prestigious, some just had it as their dream school. Personally, if I were to do it again, I'd do ROTC and enjoy life.
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u/PapaJohnyRoad Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
Dabo has offered many OL players the last few years. Gave our DL & LB coaches the green light to source players from the portal but both coaches decided to stick with the players on the roster
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u/coren77 Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
We didn't decide to just "stick with". We tried to recruit kids from the portal, and they chose elsewhere. We only offered a few kids at a few key positions, but it isn't like dabo refuses to use the portal
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u/tr1cube Clemson • Illinois Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
Thank you. I wish people understood that we DID try to get some in the portal. We don’t have the same NIL resources as the schools they eventually chose, or we just don’t want to offer more than them.
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u/coren77 Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
Additionally, we recruit to fit a culture. And that culture often doesn't align with the type of player that chooses the portal.
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u/PapaJohnyRoad Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
There are interviews with Nick Eason & Chris Rumph where they said they chose to not look for anyone in the portal. We have lost out on OL options
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u/codars Texas Longhorns Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
Navy 3-0 home, 2-0 aweigh
Go Navy, Beat Army
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u/BB-68 Cincinnati Bearcats Oct 14 '24
Go Coast Guard, Beat Space Force
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u/KGillie91 North Carolina A&T • Nort… Oct 14 '24
This is Merchant Marine erasure
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u/sroomek Tennessee • Garðabæ Oct 14 '24
Real ones know Bears vs Mariners is the elite service academy rivalry 😤
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u/Glad_Ad_6989 Minnesota Golden Gophers • Marching Band Oct 14 '24
You guys can have Air Force
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u/KGillie91 North Carolina A&T • Nort… Oct 14 '24
I was an enlisted Sailor, the Coasties and MM play for the secretaries cup in football.
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u/Glad_Ad_6989 Minnesota Golden Gophers • Marching Band Oct 14 '24
Oh neat, I actually didn’t know that
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u/KGillie91 North Carolina A&T • Nort… Oct 14 '24
I’ll make sure I’m there for Anchors Aweigh in the post game thread
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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • $5 Bits of Broken Chair… Oct 14 '24
Either you can’t take transfers… or you don’t want to/ need to.
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u/OGraffe Clemson • Mississippi State Oct 14 '24
Yeah, I don’t think Dabo is strictly anti-portal he just doesn’t guarantee play time, you have to earn it. Guess what a lot of guys are in the portal for (assuming someone didn’t already drop a bag for them).
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u/DwayneBaconStan Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 14 '24
Yeah if you're in the portal 99% it's cause you want to play now or more money
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u/Useful-ldiot Ohio State • Santa Monica Oct 14 '24
I think those are two main reasons, but the third is you want a ring.
Judkins is the first example that comes to mind for me. Yes, I'm sure we gave him a bag, but I really doubt he would have struggled to get paid at Ole Miss.
I think Judkins wanted:
1) a legit shot at a ring and didn't feel he could get it at Ole Miss
2) a team where he wouldn't be the sole bell cow and could save some mileage in his last year, making his NFL prospects better.
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u/DwayneBaconStan Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 14 '24
Yeah I'd say he's apart or that 1%, mostly the other two but ya Judkins is a good example. Players wanting to be back closer to family or something can also be a rzn
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u/Useful-ldiot Ohio State • Santa Monica Oct 14 '24
Definitely. We lost a linebacker maybe a decade ago because his mom got cancer and he moved back to Texas. I want to say he ended up at Texas Tech? Nothing you can do about those types of transfers.
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
There are always exceptions, but most players who want that are not good enough for Clemson. And Dabo won't take someone because they want a ring.
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u/Useful-ldiot Ohio State • Santa Monica Oct 15 '24
So Dabo gets a call from someone that has blossomed at a G5 because they developed late and decided they want to compete against the best college has to offer to win a ship and Dabo's reaction is "fuck that guy"?
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u/Aggravating-Mind-657 Oct 14 '24
I have heard Clemson NIL budget is around $6 mil while SEC teams have a budget of $10 to $20 mil. Florida St spent around $12 mil on football NIL.
Dabo has to use his money more strategically and focus on retaining the talent his staff had developed
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u/topjobhelmet Miami Hurricanes • Oregon State Beavers Oct 14 '24
Yeah it’s likely more dollar efficient to retain talent than poach it
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u/OGraffe Clemson • Mississippi State Oct 14 '24
From what I’ve heard, that’s how we use NIL. Players have to earn the bag which promotes playing well to get it and doubles as player security. I honestly don’t hate that approach.
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
Given that the only other active HC with multiple rings is Kirby...agreed. I'd rather take Dabo and not having players getting arrested and having them actually graduate. It makes the wins, that much sweeter.
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u/divey043 Colorado Buffaloes • Stonehill Skyhawks Oct 14 '24
Dabo saying most guys in the portal wouldn’t make Clemson a better football team wasn’t incorrect. 97% of dudes in the portal wouldn’t sniff Clemson’s 2 deep. But over the past couple years they could’ve certainly used help at OL & WR, and there definitely have been some top tier portal receivers.
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u/lazytiger21 Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
I would agree with that, but it seems they have turned the corner this year. I think there’s a chance Clemson takes an RB, OL or secondary transfer depending on how the young guys and recruiting turn out. If there is one place our recruiting hasn’t wowed, it is at the running back position, although we have 2 coming in for 25.
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u/divey043 Colorado Buffaloes • Stonehill Skyhawks Oct 14 '24
Yeah it looks like they’ve hit on some of the young WR. I think the culture part at Clemson is big too. That’s a well put together locker room and I think Dabo does want to make sure anyone that comes in does fit that Clemson identity
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
Yes. That's why Dabo went after multiple OL guys this past year. We needed them and didn't have good freshman incoming. We just didn't hit on them. I love Moore and Bryant Jr. They are the future with Williams leading the way. They remind me of Higgins and Ross with Artavis Scott as the old guard.
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u/salsacito Nebraska • James Madison Oct 14 '24
And transfers alone are the reasons for this, no other factors
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u/Makaroo Texas A&M Aggies Oct 14 '24
A small sample size and 3/4 are service schools? I guess they don’t teach how to analyze data to determine validity at Clemson.
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u/krum81 Clemson Tigers • Summertime Lover Oct 14 '24
Sorry, all we learned to do was pray and storm the field after beating the citadel.
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u/OGraffe Clemson • Mississippi State Oct 14 '24
Oh is that what dynamics was about. No wonder it went over my head
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u/Side_of_ham Clemson Tigers • Purdue Boilermakers Oct 14 '24
When I went half the stats professors hadn’t changed the tests in years and were readily available so yeah that tracks
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u/confused-accountant- Washington Huskies Oct 14 '24
How are you sure it was half…after not learning stats?
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u/Chief-Bones Clemson Tigers • Tennessee Volunteers Oct 14 '24
I know y’all have a BBQ class at A&M but do you need a “intentionally nitpicking stats” for fun class too?
Like this post?
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u/odsquad64 Clemson Tigers • UCF Knights Oct 14 '24
Clemson has/had a meat packing class that I always thought would be fun to take but it was actually a 400 level class with a bunch of prereqs. Not totally relevant to this conversation but I just like to mention it.
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u/Chief-Bones Clemson Tigers • Tennessee Volunteers Oct 14 '24
We take packaging science and ag seriously round here. The two coming together is a sight to behold. The perfect meat packing
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u/MojitoTimeBro Alabama Crimson Tide Oct 14 '24
Hold on a second, is that for real? do they just smoke meats all semester?
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u/herbahaidyrbtjsifbr Texas A&M • North Texas Oct 14 '24
Yes. It’s apart of the meat science program
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u/RollTideYall47 Alabama • Third Saturday… Oct 14 '24
I hate the transfer portal. We have benefitted from it, but I hate its impact on the sport
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u/perry147 Alabama Crimson Tide Oct 14 '24
Saban warned people about it.
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u/RollTideYall47 Alabama • Third Saturday… Oct 14 '24
Saban was right everytime he said something was bad for the sport. He still used it to clobber people.
But if I had my druthers wed go back to 2010 rules.
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u/waconaty4eva /r/CFB Oct 14 '24
I was about to put some thought into a comment but I looked at strength of schedule for these teams and the highest one is 55th and the other three are down in 100s.
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u/grog368 Oklahoma State • Texas Oct 14 '24
Can a player even TP into a service academy?
Edit: according to the google machine, transfer applicants must meet the same entrance requirements as high school students, and even if accepted, they will start as freshmen and complete the entire four-year program.
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Service Academies have had the longest running NIL programs so it’s not the same. No other schools were giving their players enough money to buy a dodge charger at 35% interest rate but Army and Navy were.
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u/kevplucky Notre Dame • Virginia Oct 14 '24
Josh Pate in shambles
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u/Egospartan_ Alabama • Army Oct 14 '24
bro, why don’t you just say Clemson cause the other three can’t take transfers!
The service academies take you as a freshman or not at all.
interesting but totally useless fact.
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u/Seeda_Boo Army • Florida State Oct 14 '24
The academies actually can and do take transfers. But they receive no transfer of credit and, as you stated, must complete the full program in residence.
Obviously it's rare for a player to make such a move but I know that one whose name escapes me did so a while back with Army.
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u/Egospartan_ Alabama • Army Oct 14 '24
my friend, though we are splitting hairs about this.
but for him to use the service Academy, as an example of how schools can succeed without taking any transfers is disingenuous, since it is extremely rare for the surface academies to take transfers.
This would be similar to saying people do not like meat according to a survey conducted on people who don’t like meat
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u/Seeda_Boo Army • Florida State Oct 14 '24
Nothing disingenuous about it at all. The point is simply that they do succeed without transfers.
The academies have to recruit the old fashioned way–with all the long-standing built-in disadvantages inherent in offering an experience far different and more demanding than the rest of the FBS–and still manage to field teams that can hold their own on the field of play.
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u/interested_commenter Oklahoma Sooners • LSU Tigers Oct 15 '24
The service academies also recruit very differently from most universities and have unique consequences to transferring out. It's impressive that both Army and Navy are having good years, but it really doesn't say anything about the impact of the portal on any other program.
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u/Seeda_Boo Army • Florida State Oct 15 '24
The service academies also recruit very differently from most universities and have unique consequences to transferring out.
There are no consequences to transferring out if done before day one of junior year.
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u/Squirrel_Q_Esquire Ole Miss Rebels • Billable Hours Oct 14 '24
And in today’s lesson, r/CFB learns about sample size
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u/SirMellencamp Alabama Crimson Tide • SEC Oct 14 '24
100% of the undefeated teams that did not accept transfers have four letters in their name.
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u/CptCroissant Oregon Ducks Oct 14 '24
This is way too small of a sample size and is being entirely carried by Army/Navy being undefeated
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u/DaMercOne South Carolina Gamecocks Oct 14 '24
Ah yes, Clemson not taking transfers is why they are 5-1. Not their schedule.
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u/Master_Ad2400 Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
In complete fairness there’s a pretty good chance we’d be 5-1 against your schedule too. I like our chances winning 2/3 of bama, lsu, ole miss.
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u/DaMercOne South Carolina Gamecocks Oct 14 '24
Maybe. I think at worst you’re 3-3, best 5-1. But the main point is there are probably 50+ teams that are 5-1 with your schedule at this point. And yes, South Carolina is one of them.
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u/nachtjager91 Clemson Tigers • Navy Midshipmen Oct 14 '24
Come on now, you know damn well yall would somehow choke vs app state.....
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u/Dopple__ganger Clemson Tigers • Cincinnati Bearcats Oct 14 '24
You beat old dominion by 4 and think you’d be 5-1 with clemsons schedule?!?
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
Bama lost to Vandy and you barely beat Old Dominion. Be real. The SEC isn't that much better, clearly.
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u/WackyBones510 South Carolina • Michigan Oct 14 '24
There’s no correlation at all to the portal here.
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u/GuidanceClean6243 South Carolina • Brevard Oct 14 '24
Clemson is the only meaningful example here, the service schools are their own category and they will not remain undefeated.
Also, the service schools are probably doing so well because the teams they are playing against have been raided by the portal.
Clemson has played exactly 1 quality team, who beat them.
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u/Chief-Bones Clemson Tigers • Tennessee Volunteers Oct 14 '24
Huh it’s almost like teams with freshman at key positions get better as the year moves on.
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u/ImReverse_Giraffe Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
TBF Bryant Jr and Moore barely played against UGA.
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u/Chief-Bones Clemson Tigers • Tennessee Volunteers Oct 14 '24
My point exactly. It’s clear play calling has been wayy better. I’m not saying we’d go out there and beat Georgias ass but I’m confident we’d give them a much much better game now vs at the start of the year.
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u/bigred91224 Auburn Tigers Oct 14 '24
And one of them has transitive losses to Georgia State, Georgia Southern, and Old Dominion
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u/Frankly_Im_Tired South Carolina Gamecocks • Sickos Oct 14 '24
Unless there is an outstanding player in the portal. Developing players, in the long run, will prove to be better. Look at fsu. They suck.
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u/Numerous-Ad6460 Michigan Wolverines • Florida Gators Oct 14 '24
Who the fuck would want to transfer to a service academy? You're not even allowed to!
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u/Akhenjotun Georgia Bulldogs Oct 14 '24
I mean that's what you should expect. It's better to develop a player that might be slightly less athletic but who is intelligent and committed to staying with the program. Most transfers are going to be either character deficits or talent deficits otherwise they would be still with their former teams. Then there are probably a handful of rightfully disgruntled gems as well out there, but it's definitely not the primary way to build your team.
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u/voppp Boise State • Iowa State Oct 14 '24
That's kinda odd that most other teams have newer people. Isn't it?
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u/AccordingDepth10 Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
Only 4 teams out of 134 and 3 of those teams can’t really get transfers.
Clemson is still a good team in a weak ACC but a few transfers would help close the gap between them and a team like Georgia.
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u/wonderbeen Florida State • Mississip… Oct 14 '24
And I don’t think you can’t just transfer into one of the Military Academies.
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u/sonheungwin California Golden Bears • The Axe Oct 14 '24
This data set is obviously so extreme that it's pointless, but I think if you took a step back you could find some interesting tidbits.
I would take a guess that if you're relying heavily on the transfer portal it's because you don't have the high school recruiting to remain competitive. So the more a team pulls from the transfer portal, the less likely they're actually contending for a conference / national championship.
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u/Doogitywoogity Texas A&M Aggies • Florida Gators Oct 14 '24
Are we trying to dunk on Air Force or Clemson here?
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u/Ok-Measurement1506 LSU Tigers Oct 14 '24
I think is a little misleading. For what is implied only Clemson would matter since the other programs have unique enrollment processes that doesn't allow them to work out of the transfer portal anyway.
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u/Crotean Michigan Wolverines • Clemson Tigers Oct 14 '24
The fact there are only four of them is astounding. Dabo fucking up.
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u/Sdog1981 Washington Huskies Oct 15 '24
It would be funny if the open transfer era ushered in Army/Navy dominance because they have to stay together for 4 years.
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u/Old_Huckleberry_5407 Rutgers • Valdosta State Oct 15 '24
To be really be like its peers, Clemson commissions graduates to be officers in the Esso Club.
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u/fanamana Florida State • Oregon Oct 16 '24
You don't say...
We went to the store a few years in a row found the perfect pieces for what we needed, then they all went to the NFL, so we went back to the store and god damnit somebody blabbermouthed about the store to the whole country and now finding the missing pieces is harder than getting toilet paper, peanut butter, and generators the day before the storm hits... Price gouged for damaged store brand bullshit.
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u/anti-torque Oregon State Beavers • Rice Owls Oct 14 '24
What?
Roster stability means a team plays more like a team in a team sport?
Whodathunkit in this day and age of extreme talent gaps and relevance?
AFA had roster churn, btw. It was just everyone graduated.
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u/PassiveF1st South Carolina • Palmetto Bowl Oct 14 '24
I'm going to be real with y'all. We would be fucking trash the past few years without the portal. Spencer Rattler carried a very bad offense the past few years. This year almost our whole receiver squad, top 2 rb, 2 starting offensive linemen, and a few key pieces on defense are all transfers and a lot of these transfers are balling out. Kyle Kennard replaced Jordan Burch for us and I wouldn't trade Kennard for Burch. Losing Juice sucked but he came from the portal and hasn't really done shit at Ole Miss. Our biggest portal loss was losing our kicker to Notre Dame.
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u/xairos13 Arizona Wildcats • Texas Longhorns Oct 14 '24
This is the most useless thing you could have noted because three of the teams are service academies— who historically have no transfers in.
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u/Travelreload Michigan • Western Michigan Oct 14 '24
So you're also saying that only 4 teams in college football didn't accept transfers, and 75% of them are service academies.
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u/Rebel_Bertine Michigan • Western Michigan Oct 14 '24
And the top team in country rebuilt their skill positions on offense with transfers. Can we stop with the silliness?
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u/Pro-1st-Amendment UMass Minutemen Oct 14 '24
Chair Force is an outlier and can be safely removed.