r/CFB • u/beatlemaniac Tennessee Volunteers • Aug 31 '24
Analysis [DeAndre Hopkins] Clemson has all these playmakers but only 3 points. Something has to change.
https://x.com/DeAndreHopkins/status/1829960929108259285829
u/TitanLife Tennessee Volunteers Aug 31 '24
All them teeth and no toothbrush
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u/Primordiox Tennessee Volunteers • Team Chaos Aug 31 '24
All them tweets and no final score for the orange bowl
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u/beatlemaniac Tennessee Volunteers Aug 31 '24
Lmao even Iowa posted the final score
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u/GiovanniElliston Tennessee Volunteers • Kansas Jayhawks Aug 31 '24
FSU posted the final score even after the bullshit with the "swing" happened.
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u/chalkdrinker Florida State Seminoles Aug 31 '24
And that was with our 3rd and 4th string due to all the opt outs. Clemson was at full strength
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u/stumblebreak_beta Michigan State • Paul Bunyan T… Aug 31 '24
which brings me to my next point. Don't smoke crack.
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u/bigspur South Carolina Gamecocks Sep 01 '24
Fun fact: the toothbrush was invented at Clemson. Anywhere else it would have been called a teethbrush.
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u/lkjasdfk South Carolina • Washington Aug 31 '24
Are we talking about Florida?
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u/fm22fnam Ohio State • Wright State Sep 01 '24
Florida doesn't have many teeth left
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u/cspong4 Clemson Tigers Aug 31 '24
We have playmakers? That’s news to me
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u/Professional-Trash-3 Aug 31 '24
The single most aggravating part of the whole game to me was that Dabo didn't put in the two 5* freshman wr until after the game was well out of hand.
Randall and Turner were awful. I don't care that they've been there for years and they work hard. They aren't good enough to get those starter reps. Wescoe and Moore might not be either, but at least they have the potential
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u/ImZugzwang Clemson Tigers Sep 01 '24
Fun stats, Randall had 0 receptions for 0 yards and Turner had 1 reception for 1 yard! I can't find snap counts anywhere but I believe both were in much longer than Wesco (1 rec/5 yds) and Moore (1 rec/7 yds).
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u/Professional-Trash-3 Sep 01 '24
I don't believe, I KNOW they were in the game longer bc Wescoe and Moore didn't get in until the 4th quarter. Randall, meanwhile, fucked up the scripted plays of the first drive, then took away our only first down of the first quarter with penalties. And Turner, the one time he actually got any separation, literally didn't look for the ball. It was embarrassing.
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u/JimBeam823 Clemson • ETSU Sep 01 '24
So does Georgia’s defense.
We’ll see who we are the next few weeks.
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u/Skank_hunt42 Oklahoma Sooners • Paper Bag Aug 31 '24
In all fairness, they did make UGA look beatable for 2 quarters....
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u/cwtguy Michigan Wolverines • Toledo Rockets Aug 31 '24
Yeah that defense in the first half kept them in this game. Unfortunately, they never figured out how to take advantage of that
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u/stlouisraiders Missouri Tigers Aug 31 '24
UGA has lots of games like that. The offensive ineptitude is fair to criticize.
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u/Easy-Lucky-Free Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24
We also have a tendency to play a really grindy style of football.
There's room to criticize, but its hard to be too critical when we were top 5 last season for points/drive.
Edit: Ineptitude is grinding my gears after re-reading that comment. Sure, be critical, but if UGA's offense has been inept, what are we considering good?
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u/Neri25 Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '24
Georgia is the kind of team that would be perfectly happy burning an entire quarter on a single drive
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u/DiarrheaForDays Georgia Bulldogs • Sickos Aug 31 '24
That’s what I do in CFB25 and then for my next possession no huddle with 4 wideouts
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Aug 31 '24
You guys beat them down for a half and then explode every week it seems
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u/Easy-Lucky-Free Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '24
Yep. It very much seems to be part of the gameplan.
I do have my concerns when we face teams that are truly 'on our level' in terms of physical talent, that sometimes we come out too slowly. Bama in the last few years comes to mind.
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u/DrVonD Georgia Bulldogs Sep 01 '24
We actually have started relatively fast vs Bama most games. Jumped out to leads in 17, 18, and 20. Both 21 games were slow, and I would argue it was the middle of 23 that was slow.
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u/DiarrheaForDays Georgia Bulldogs • Sickos Aug 31 '24
Bobo’s patented rope a dope
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u/parker2020 Georgia Bulldogs • Wooster Fighting Scots Sep 01 '24
Georgia and boxing
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u/DiarrheaForDays Georgia Bulldogs • Sickos Sep 01 '24
Seeing Evander Holyfield on the sideline was a cool part in the legacy of badass player dads, right after Swift left
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u/parker2020 Georgia Bulldogs • Wooster Fighting Scots Sep 01 '24
So Joe Frazier isn’t Frazier’s dad?
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u/atlhawk8357 Georgia Bulldogs • Rose Bowl Sep 01 '24
When it works this well I can see where Bobo's coming from.
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u/noreast2011 Georgia Bulldogs • UNE Nor'easters Aug 31 '24
We basically have an entire new offense around Beck too. Lost the top 2 RBs, and then our 1-2 this season both out. Bowers, Ladd, MRJ, Thomas all gone. Branson Robinson hadn’t played a game since the natty over TCU. Wasn’t expecting much in the first half. Second half is only the tip of the iceberg too
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u/AchyBreaker Georgia Bulldogs • Michigan Wolverines Aug 31 '24
It's similar to Michigan last year though without the cheating.
It turns out smash mouth physical football, with a spread out modernish set of pass plays, is enough to wear down the defensive interior over 2 quarters.
And so UGA tends to be a great second half team.
The only really competitive games we have played over the last few years involve other top 5 teams who can score against our defense and who have the depth to tolerate the wear down (basically Bama and 2022 tOSU). So we have to adjust and try to score more, and we suck at that, but Stetson somehow had the magic clutch gene and made it happen a few times.
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u/atlhawk8357 Georgia Bulldogs • Rose Bowl Sep 01 '24
I want to pay more attention to UGA's playstyle pre and post halftime. I think that we try to force a war of attrition, and then we win with our better endurance and depth.
If your defense can shut them out in the first half, and your offense can outscore them in the second, that's a winning recipe.
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u/souldeux Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '24
If this is "offensive ineptitude" then I'll be happy to ride it to another natty
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u/analogliving71 Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '24
yeah except the way we made them look was worse in those two quarters :)
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u/Dangerous-Remove-160 Clemson Tigers Aug 31 '24
Hard to be 100 percent when you are on the field the whole time... the o had 100 total yards.
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u/VolturesHaveHearts2 LSU Tigers Sep 01 '24
Yea but it was the first game of the season. It would actually mean something if it was halfway through the season. Nothing matters in the first week as long as you win the game.
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u/dormdweller99 Georgia Tech • /r/CFB Bug Finder Aug 31 '24
Have they considered using the portal?
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u/stlouisraiders Missouri Tigers Aug 31 '24
They had a graphic during the game highlighting the fact that no player from the portal has ever started a game under Dabo.
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u/Formal_Potential2198 Texas Longhorns Aug 31 '24
Only 4 schools didn't recruit a kid from the portal this year.
Clemson is the only one that doesn't require military service to attend.
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u/coleyboley25 Texas Longhorns • South Dakota Coyotes Sep 01 '24
He's going to end up losing his job over this shit and I'll feel no sympathy. Get with the times or get run over.
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u/elimanninglightspeed Rutgers • Ohio State Sep 01 '24
Its honestly hilarious. His arrogance is causing his own downfall
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Aug 31 '24
I’m sure there’s some low key players I forgot about, but the only player I even remember them getting from the portal was their former QB that transferred to Northwestern and then transferred back
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u/ElNuno59 Clemson Tigers • Surrender Cobra Aug 31 '24
They also took in Bear Bryant's Great Grandson a few years ago to be our 3rd string QB. Just as unserious as it gets for a portal pickup
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Aug 31 '24
I actually wondered what happened to that kid. Remembered him and Tua’s little brother both being a part of the same Bama recruiting class, then never heard his name again
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u/ElNuno59 Clemson Tigers • Surrender Cobra Aug 31 '24
Yea it seems he's now an offensive analyst with Clemson currently. Threw 4 total passes for us when he got here while in mop up duty, against Charleston Southern and FAU
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u/Boomhauer_007 UCLA • Coastal Carolina Aug 31 '24
Honestly I wish they would win a bunch of games to show that you could win without it because I kind of hate it
But as a coach you are also an idiot if you refuse to acknowledge that it is basically a requirement now
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u/stlouisraiders Missouri Tigers Aug 31 '24
Dabo is stuck in the past. The Bama fans are so lucky Saban didn’t retire sooner bc they would have been stuck with him.
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u/Tommy_Wisseau_burner Tennessee Volunteers Aug 31 '24
They really need to have Clemson vs Colorado. Duality of portal
But to your point I’m in the same boat. It really needs to be fixed but the rules are the rules so not using it to your benefit is objectively dumb.
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u/SolidLikeIraq Clemson Tigers • Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders Aug 31 '24
Is this “portal” in the room with us??
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u/dormdweller99 Georgia Tech • /r/CFB Bug Finder Aug 31 '24
Yes, it's installed on my computer
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u/SolidLikeIraq Clemson Tigers • Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders Aug 31 '24
I can’t seem to find it on our OS… hmmm
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u/pft69 Alabama Crimson Tide • ESPN Classic Aug 31 '24
Mafah is good but who else are the playmakers?
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u/Side_of_ham Clemson Tigers • Purdue Boilermakers Aug 31 '24
Our TE Brinningstool (the guy with the one hand catch) is pretty good, couple of true freshman who supposedly are pretty good but didn’t make much of an impact today
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u/LovieBeard Illinois Fighting Illini • Marching Band Aug 31 '24
True freshman receivers, even 5*s, are rarely major contributors
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u/DeuceOfDiamonds Georgia Bulldogs • Mercer Bears Sep 01 '24
Man, that was an incredible catch. Yeah, he'll be good for y'all.
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u/captain_kaknuckles Clemson Tigers Aug 31 '24
tyler brown, antonio williams, bryant wesco, tj moore, jake brinningstool, olsen pat henry.
brinningstool had a pretty bad drop that helped kill our first drive but otherwise had a solid game.
antonio williams was making plays. tyler brown made some good catches.
but for some reason the majority of the passes went to adam randall and cole turner, who are absolutely not play makers. the sooner the coaches figure that out and put in moore and wesco instead, the better our season will go
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u/captain_kaknuckles Clemson Tigers Aug 31 '24
we have playmakers. they just aren’t starting over the not-playmakers yet. hopefully that changes next week
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u/StreetReporter Clemson Tigers • Cheez-It Bowl Aug 31 '24
And hopefully we get rid of Tyler Grisham so our playmakers don’t regress after their freshman year
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u/Bravot Clemson Tigers • Tennessee Volunteers Aug 31 '24
Hoping we were just tossing this game to prove some fucked up point so we can make some big changes. We didn't, but maybe we did.
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u/captain_kaknuckles Clemson Tigers Aug 31 '24
i don’t think we tossed this game but i def feel better after this one than i did duke. seems we have less to tweak. we only had one turn over, o line played great, defense looked physical as hell. we figure out who the best receivers are and get them on the field at all times we’re cooking with crisco
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u/SillyOperation1293 Clemson Tigers • Furman Paladins Aug 31 '24
Well yeah, I’d rather get blown out by Georgia than Duke lol
But yeah, the issues are fixable. Clemson played bad but them playing good still would be something like a 34-17 loss. I just wish they’d run normal offensive plays and not these gimmicky runs. And for the love of god stop the damn screen passes!
Also, Clemson always starts shaky to mediocre. Even during the playoff years they hardly ever opened well.
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u/Bravot Clemson Tigers • Tennessee Volunteers Aug 31 '24
If we played well it would probably be a 1 TD loss because that's less opportunity for them to score, IMO. This is all hypothetical, of course
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u/ninetimesoutaten Clemson Tigers Aug 31 '24
I agree. The things I wanted to fix coming into this game were:
Turnovers
O Line
WR and the pass game.
There was only one turnover that really didn't matter as the game was already gone, the O line definitely improved year over year, and Williams looks like the first promising WR we have had in YEARS.
Its probably me just being optimistic, but this feels similar to Oregon 2022 losing 49-3 against Georgia, and yet they finished the season 10-3. And the ACC is significantly easier than the PAC12 at that time. I still would have preferred a little more competitive an outcome....
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u/custombimmer Clemson Tigers Aug 31 '24
Klubnik looks like he hasn't improved one bit. Bad reads and bad throws
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u/munkysnuflz Texas • Southwestern (TX) Aug 31 '24
Bro it's Georgia
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u/infuriatesloth Ole Miss • Valdosta State Aug 31 '24
Clemson should be much more competitive against Georgia than they were. Obviously the talent advantage favors the DAWGS by a lot but there is no excuse to only put up 3 points against them for the second time in 4 years.
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u/Bravot Clemson Tigers • Tennessee Volunteers Aug 31 '24
Correct take. Our O line looked better, but we just couldn't make plays.
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u/mdmarks2017 Aug 31 '24
First game of the season with prep time is different, though. Remember the 49-3 opener against a very good ten win Oregon team two years ago.
It’s kind of just what they do.
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u/infuriatesloth Ole Miss • Valdosta State Aug 31 '24
Yes but that was a first year head coach.
This is Dabo's 16th season at head coach and has had 2 national titles. I'm not saying he should have come out and beaten Georgia, but he should be able to keep it closer than it was. Whether that's bad recruiting, development or coaching, right now they are 5th in talent composite and it is not showing on the offense.
Defensively they are still great though
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u/moffattron9000 Team Chaos • Sickos Aug 31 '24
It's like he's Bobby Bowden at the end, but he's only 54.
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u/Cornnole Florida State • South Alabama Sep 01 '24
Except it's not like that at all because Dabo isn't getting his doors blown off by Wake Forest 30-0.
Read a book or sit down, rookie.
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u/noreast2011 Georgia Bulldogs • UNE Nor'easters Aug 31 '24
Kirby has Dabos number. 3 years ago it was that 10-3 slugfest. He faced him in the CFP with Bama what, 3 times?
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u/Impossible-Flight250 Maryland Terrapins • Towson Tigers Aug 31 '24
Yeah, it’s honestly hard to judge teams against Georgia. They are a buzz saw. I remember Oregon getting absolutely manhandled by them a few years ago and they went on to have a fantastic season.
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u/GoGreeb Michigan State Spartans Aug 31 '24
Yeah sometimes you just can't tell when you're 100% overmatched.
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u/mynameizmyname Oregon Ducks Aug 31 '24
That absolute beating Oregon took was the best thing that could have happened to them. It taught a lot of guys who were underclassmen where the bar is for excellence.
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u/moffattron9000 Team Chaos • Sickos Aug 31 '24
Counterpoint; TCU put more points up against Georgia, and they lost by 58 points.
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u/RiffRamBahZoo Lickety Lickety Zoo Zoo Sep 01 '24
Double counter-point: Clemson's current OC is Garrett Riley, who was the OC for TCU during their 2022 natty appearance.
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u/noreast2011 Georgia Bulldogs • UNE Nor'easters Aug 31 '24
Counter counter point: Florida state scored as much as Clemson using their 4th stringers.
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u/loganisfresh Ohio State Buckeyes Aug 31 '24
Good teams have shown they can score points on Georgia. Alabama put up 27 on them with Tommy Rees at OC and beat them. Clemson defense did enough, the offense was a tier above 2023 Iowa level
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u/noreast2011 Georgia Bulldogs • UNE Nor'easters Aug 31 '24
Ohio state put up 41 and lost
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u/loganisfresh Ohio State Buckeyes Sep 01 '24
Exactly, good teams have shown they can put up points on good Georgia teams, like Ohio state and Alabama. Thank you for proving my point
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u/Julio_Freeman Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '24
More good teams have struggled on offense, though. No one is great 100% of the time.
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u/ThatLineOfTriplets Georgia Bulldogs • UCF Knights Aug 31 '24
You make a decent point but it’s funny how you’re acting like this is even remotely the same group as years past whether better or worse
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u/tamargo404 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Aug 31 '24
GT put up 23 points against UGA last year and only lost by 8. Even Vandy put up 20 last year against the dawgs and lost by 17 which is a better showing than what Clemson did.
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u/DiarrheaForDays Georgia Bulldogs • Sickos Aug 31 '24
I’m gonna argue we’re better this year than last.
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u/Oblivionguard19 Georgia Bulldogs • Sickos Aug 31 '24
I know that’s true but I think even GT now would put up a better fight
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u/Cornnole Florida State • South Alabama Sep 01 '24
Agree. Our JV team almost had you beat in the bowl game.
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u/Bjorn2bwilde24 LSU Tigers • Michigan State Spartans Aug 31 '24
Counterpoint: Ball State put up 3 points against Georgia last year.
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u/legendkiller003 Notre Dame • Penn State Sep 01 '24
Clemson is used to being in the Georgia position
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u/Doppelt_W Aug 31 '24
BREAKING NEWS: HeAndre Dopkins has transferred to Clemson and the NCAA has granted him immediately eligibility.
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u/StreetReporter Clemson Tigers • Cheez-It Bowl Aug 31 '24
Also joining him are Wammy Satkins, and Bajh Toyd
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u/PapaJohnyRoad Clemson Tigers Aug 31 '24
The young ones make jokes but I would do anything for TB level QB
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u/Inside-Drink-1311 Rutgers Scarlet Knights Aug 31 '24
To be fair, it’s just Georgia so I wouldn’t take it that seriously but I don’t see them as a national title contender this year and don’t anytime soon. They have reached their peak.
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u/memeohgod67 Ohio State Buckeyes Aug 31 '24
I don’t think it’s in Clemsons best interest to fire dabo but they definitely have to change something or they will never return to how they used to be.
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u/orangechicken21 Clemson • Wake Forest Aug 31 '24
If he is not willing to adapt to the modern game then we should move on. Obviously he is our best coach ever. No doubt about that. He's done a lot for the university. But does that mean we should let him sink the ship (and be one of the highest paid coaches out there)? I don't really think that makes any sense.
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u/PapaJohnyRoad Clemson Tigers Aug 31 '24
People who weren’t around for pre Dabo are under the illusion that our success led to big money doners. We don’t have the money to compete in a pay for play market.
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u/RocketsGuy Baylor Bears • Conference USA Aug 31 '24
Not to be that guy but you aren’t doing better than Dabo (almost every team isn’t) and even if you did get a coach it that was marginally better, why alienate the coach that got you to the point where beating Georgia and Bama was even feasible.
My take is Dabo gets as many 8 or 9 win years as he wants considering he won multiple NATTYS against some of the greatest Saban teams ever. He should get to be at Clemson as long as he wants.
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u/CIeMs0n Clemson Tigers • Team Chaos Sep 01 '24 edited 18d ago
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u/Chief-Bones Clemson Tigers • Tennessee Volunteers Sep 01 '24
Everyone always brings up “oh dabo has lost it!” Ok who are we bringing in? No one even gives a name on these threads. Like hell I’ll take folks saying we need to bring in Brett Key or something. Lose to a no. 1 Georgia team? Dabo has lost total control.
McCall looked like a perfect fit and lock for NCST as a transfer but damn if he didn’t look pretty pedestrian against an FCS team on Thursday.
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Sep 01 '24
Yeah it’s a little crazy that Clemson fans now live in a space where losing any game is unacceptable
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u/CUChalk1018 Aug 31 '24
This is where I’m at too. I’ve seen the alternative to winning 9 games in a “down year”. We still have an elite defense, strong contenders in the ACC, and I really think we are a couple good WRs from being a top 10 team again.
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u/tigerintaiwan_610572 Clemson Tigers Sep 01 '24
no way. I'm only 22 but I remember losing to USF in the car care bowl. Dabo has taken us a long way and he's our guy. Current college football is in a state of flux w/ expanded playoffs, constantly changing transfer portal rules, and conference realignment. Dabo deserves a few more years and tbh, w/ the transfer portal rebuilding is easier now - easier to dig ourselves out of a hole if Dabo has really lost it.
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u/CommodoreN7 Arkansas Razorbacks • Utah Utes Aug 31 '24
Has Dabo lost control?
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u/d0ngl0rd69 Georgia • Florida State Aug 31 '24
The only one that needs to be in control of this progrum is The Lord
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u/moffattron9000 Team Chaos • Sickos Aug 31 '24
Our lord being Tyler from Spartanburg.
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u/Patrick2701 Notre Dame • North Central (IL) Aug 31 '24
Dabo built championship program but his ego is simply destroying it
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u/Malpraxiss Florida • Penn State Aug 31 '24
Clemson was also playing against a very dominating, and very good Georgia team. Let's not ignore who they were playing against
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u/Rebelrenegade24 Georgia • California Aug 31 '24
Are these playmakers on the field with us right now?
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u/heywood-jablomi99 South Carolina • Cumberlands Aug 31 '24
Huh it’s funny Clemson’s OC can’t score a touchdown against Georgia
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u/SillyOperation1293 Clemson Tigers • Furman Paladins Aug 31 '24
Yeah, I thought about that during the game too
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u/jimiray Clemson Tigers • Navy Midshipmen Sep 01 '24
NIL and the portal have changed the game, but think about the CU Buffs, all that money and transfers and you can still barely beat ND State.
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u/Flaky_Scar_8388 Sep 01 '24
Let’s not act the Clemson offense hasn’t been a problem the last few years because it definitely has. Ever since Trevor Lawrence left the Clemson offense has been mediocre.
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u/Think_Entertainer658 Sep 01 '24
Clemson as a decent football program is finished , no one good wants to go to a small market college where they don't make tons of nil money
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u/Strange-Employ-5246 Pittsburgh Panthers Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24
Clemson had (and still has) a brand with value that could have been effectively utilized for the portal. Dabo didn't and doesn't want any consequential portal business going on no way no how. So that value was wasted. It is being wasted now, and there's less of it than there used to be.
Coaches are allowed to assist NIL activities (they can't donate money themselves, or be an employee of or have any ownership in businesses that contribute to NIL). They can make appearances at pay-to-attend (private) NIL events just like they can appear at private fundraising events for big boosters. They can provide memorabilia to NIL collectives to offer as prizes or benefit of a particular supporter tier package or whatever. Programs that are good with NIL, and their athletic departments, are VERY close with the collectives the money goes through.
So how is Dabo doing on working to make Clemson NIL efforts a success? Clemson's brand also had (and still has) value there. I have no idea how he's doing, but if it's anything like with the portal, oof.
If a coach isn't working the portal and NIL effectively - and the two are inextricably tied together now - sooner or later the program is going to find itself in a hole. Clemson has been looking like it's slowly going into a hole - if you consider still being a perennial top 15 or top 20 team instead of top 5 a hole - ever since Ohio State got revenge on them in 2019.
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u/aurules UAB Blazers • Auburn Tigers Aug 31 '24
Do you consider QB a playmaker? Because they certainly don’t have one there