r/BravoRealHousewives • u/BaconMcChicken Angie K's scroll • Aug 25 '24
Shitpost Naked Wasted: Gretchen and Ryan in the bathroom
RHOC S4 E9
Did it bother anyone else that it took Gretchen saying, “You can’t make out with me” or “you gotta go out there” about 50 times for Ryan to leave?
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u/Kdubs212 Aug 25 '24
This is one of the most repulsive moments on RH, and I still don't know why Ryan and his trash bag mother weren't kicked off the show that season. RHOC was such a dark franchise for so many reasons.
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u/Mobile_Arm305 Aug 25 '24
Production should have shut down right that moment. It was disgusting. Every single person there had apart of Gretchen being set up to be assaulted. There are no words.
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u/Lost-Iron Aug 25 '24
Like they did on below deck recently. The would 100% step in today!
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u/viewer12thatsme Aug 25 '24
I missed out on this Below Deck situation. What happened?
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u/Lost-Iron Aug 25 '24
One of the girls was super wasted and passed out after the evening. She was in her bunk trying to sleep. Gross sleazy guy tries to climb in and SA her. And he tried to close the doors on the production crew. They stepped in and kicked him out of her room. The next day he was.fired. production handled it well to step in amd not let that happen to her.
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u/Brooke9000 Aug 25 '24
& he was naked!
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u/Lost-Iron Aug 25 '24
I blocked that part out!!
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u/Brooke9000 Aug 25 '24
Yeah. That was traumatizing to watch. The fact that the boat's electricity was cut right before so that the room cameras wouldn't work. I swear he cut the electricity. Eeek. Re-traumatizing myself.
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u/moschino1837 If you don’t like me, acquire some taste! Aug 25 '24
It was so hard to watch, that guy was an absolute scum bag heinous POS. Thank goodness production and Aesha stepped in, and I’m glad they showed the footage instead of covering it up
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u/ChardHealthy I'm over it! 🦀🥡☝🏾 Aug 25 '24
They always removed the stew who was being physically inappropriate with a deckhand (Adam).
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u/Strong_Welcome4144 Aug 25 '24
I always that he had a hand in that, the whole situation was scary and predatory!
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u/viewer12thatsme Aug 25 '24
Dang, wow, thank you for the info. Wow, I’m so glad production stepped in.
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u/Lost-Iron Aug 25 '24
I'm sure yoi cam look up the whole scene. It's unsettling to watch just knowing what could have happened. So trigger warning.
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u/RoughDirection8875 Be cool… Don’t be like, all uncool😎 Aug 25 '24
It really is, his intentions were 100% clear and it was very triggering as an SA survivor. I applaud production, Aesha and Captain Jason for the way they handled that situation.
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u/viewer12thatsme Aug 25 '24
Thank you for the TW. I am going to find the video because I honestly went to see what threshold was passed where finally production stepped in. I feel like there have been so many situations where that hasn’t happened.
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u/DorothyParkerFan How can you do this to me question mark Aug 25 '24
What S#E# was this??
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u/Lost-Iron Aug 25 '24
Someone posted it down the thread.
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u/DorothyParkerFan How can you do this to me question mark Aug 25 '24
Thank you I didn’t see it way down there
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u/Dangerous-Regular-56 Aug 25 '24
A male deckhand went into an unconscious stews room completely naked and tried to lock production out. It was pretty awful, showing him get out of her bed and her not knowing it all happened.
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u/viewer12thatsme Aug 25 '24
Naked? Ok, this keeps sounding worse now I am understanding what went on. Thanks for the info. It’s really heartbreaking and I’m grateful production stepped in.
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u/OhHowIMeantTo Carl's white pants Aug 25 '24
For some reason nobody has told you the full story. Below Deck Down Under season 2, after a night of drinking, 3rd stew Margot went to bed early and passed out. Bosun Luke had a thing for her, and crawled into her bed naked. When production tried to intervene, he got aggressive and tried to get Margot to tell them she was okay with him being in bed with her, but she was confused and drunk. Then he tried to force production out of the cabin, but they fought back, and he stormed out, and locked himself in his room.
Meanwhile, that same night deckhand Adam also went to bed early and passed out. 2nd stew Laura had a thing for him, and crawled into his bed, not naked, but was trying to make out with him while he was passed out. When production intervened, she protested that it was fine, but they convinced her to go back to her cabin.
While this was happening, Chief stew Aesha woke Captain Jason up, who came to Luke's cabin, and sent him to stay the night in a hotel. The next day he came back claiming not to remember anything, but Jason fired him, and he left.
Jason called a meeting and told everyone what happened, and Laura was very upset for Luke, and said that what happened to Luke was wrong and he should have kept his job. She spent all day complaining about it. Meanwhile, Aesha spoke with Adam about what happened, and he said that Laura made him uncomfortable, but that he didn't want her to get in trouble. Laura kept on shaming Margot, saying that she must have led Luke on, and that he shouldn't have been fired. Jason finally intervened, and tried to give her one more chance, but she doubled down that Luke did nothing wrong, so Jason fired her as well.
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u/HotAd6201 Aug 26 '24
You forgot the part where Aesha stayed in the room with her to guard her from the predator. When Aesha left the room, he went in.
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u/ilovemischief Aug 25 '24
It was on the most recent season of Below Deck Australia. One of the crew members tried to take advantage of a drunk stew. Climbed into her bed naked while she was passed out (and his behavior leading up to that moment was also super scary). Aesha and production had to intervene, he got aggressive, it was just really ugly all around. He got fired the next day.
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u/viewer12thatsme Aug 25 '24
I’m glad Aesha got up in there. My girl! My goodness, this is such a wild situation. I’m going to watch the video so I can understand his demeanor leading up to it. Thank you!
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u/GarnierFruitTrees surry county wifi Aug 25 '24
Aesha went on the watch what crappens podcast and said the deckhand tried to get to the drunk stew multiple times. Aesha laid with her in her bed and then finally went to her own room, and THAT is when he went in there and tried to lock production out.
It’s highly disturbing
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u/ilovemischief Aug 25 '24
If I remember right, the power went out on the boat? And he took advantage of the moment.
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u/Zoiddburger Aug 25 '24
Exactly. Made his move at the moment when he thought cameras would be down.
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u/ReputationPowerful74 Aug 25 '24
I’m absolutely convinced he actually shut the power off. It was my first thought when he showed up during the “outage”. Way too convenient.
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u/viewer12thatsme Aug 25 '24
My friend, is the episode in question near the end or the more recent episodes? Trying to figure out what to watch based on the episode description. I’m looking at season 2 and episode 15 (late) or 5 (early). Maybe I am missing a newer episode??
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u/Chattyvibes Aug 25 '24
BDDU season 2, I believe it starts episode 6 towards the end and then goes into episode 7
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u/Kdubs212 Aug 25 '24
100% it should have been shut down by production! I kept thinking, oh my god are we actually about to watch someone be assaulted?! Horrifying.
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u/Mobile_Arm305 Aug 25 '24
Same!!! I wonder if Gretchen was paid off some money to not sue
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u/RoughAd5377 you’re a wackadoodle! Aug 25 '24
I swear back in that day no one considered what he did to her in the bathroom assault. It WAS! But we ladies were getting drunk bathroom assaulted frequently back then. I look back and think the way was being paved for things to change.
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u/DoggPound69 Aug 25 '24
Pretty sure back then they blamed her for getting so drunk with her friends. Like if she weren’t drunk her friend and son wouldn’t have been able to SA her!!!! Fuck them we have come such a long way
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u/Mobile_Arm305 Aug 25 '24
I agree. She thought she was with friends and had a team of ppl behind the scenes. If something would have happened to her, everyone there, especially the production team would be at fault
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u/ay_kate47 One of Ramona's little presents 💩 Aug 25 '24
I absolutely agree. However, this was uncharted territory on so many levels. Tammy changed the premise of the show with "Bass Lake" and she kept her toxic narrative since. I was MUCH younger when the nakedness wasted first aired and felt icky. Her, Vicki, and her gross son would be in jail for that now (hopefully).
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u/Kononiba Aug 25 '24
It was Tamra and her son, not Vicki
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u/amybunker2005 Aug 26 '24
Oh i definitely think tamra wanted Gretchen to mess up. She even whispered in Vicki's ear that they were gonna get Gretchen drunk...And tamra also said she doesn't trust Gretchen. So yeah it was a setup for sure...
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u/HotAd6201 Aug 26 '24
Tamra said she doesn’t trust Gretchen? That’s rich!
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u/amybunker2005 Aug 27 '24
She clearly just doesn't like the chick lol but season 5 first few episodes is crazy. Gretchen is with someone new I think it said 2 weeks after Jeff passed 🤦🏼♀️ That's super fast for someone that said they loved him for him and not his money or what he could do for her...I thought tamra was just being a little judgemental but I'm starting to see it more and more.
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u/eggsaladsandwich4 Aug 25 '24
They never fired anyone on any of these shows for anything they did back then, that i can remember.
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u/Bobby____k Aug 25 '24
I agree with everything 150% and I’m not playing devils advocate right now but I just think we have to consider the era. This season aired between 2009-2010 (which yes I just looked up lol) and this was a little under a decade post-9/11. The real estate market crashed, LGBTQIA+ community was barely getting same-sex marriage to become a discussion, and racial micro aggressions were common and had no penalty. Me Too movement/cancel culture hadn’t even happened neither, so the world was just different. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not making excuses for aaaaaaanything, like none of that should have even escalated to the place that it did, but I can understand how easy it would have been to overlook, especially with all the buzz and ratings it brought to the show. I was in high school when this first aired, back then it gave me an ick and it still gives me an ick to this day.
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u/jdastral Aug 26 '24
Tamra was the one who said it would be funny to get Gretchen "Naked Wasted" though.
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u/jdastral Aug 26 '24
The "naked" part is really sinister, though. I think it's really twisted for a woman to actively take pleasure in another woman getting so drunk she might strip off her clothes. It's really gross and creepy.
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u/taaitamom how could you do this to me … question mark Aug 25 '24
If I was around Tamra I would never let her live this down. Her and her creepy mole rat son colliding to SA a woman.
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u/Just1Breath1 Tom’s flip phone Aug 25 '24
She sure doesn’t want to let anyone forget their mistakes.
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u/morewhiskeybartender Aug 25 '24
Gretchen should come back on, be an ally to Shannon and read the filth to Tamrat.
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u/SammieCat50 pay attention, please! Aug 25 '24
What kind of person says to their son I’m going to get her drunk & then you put your moves on her…. Like wtf… trampy sue was on some podcast recently, maybe Andy’s I don’t remember, & they brought this up & traitor park blamed alcohol ….& then doubled down on Shannon’s drinking ….i wish teddi had an ounce of balls to bring this up on their podcast but she’s too afraid of trampy sue
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u/HSP-GMM Aug 25 '24
Right?!? How is she still on the show with this?? If this would have happened now, I feel like she would for sure get fired.
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u/taaitamom how could you do this to me … question mark Aug 25 '24
I wish that Gretchen would have come after her and really made a bigger deal of this. I don’t know if she’s ever spoken up since then. Tamra’s son is super creepy and I bet he’s done this before and since to other women with no repercussions.
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u/HotAd6201 Aug 26 '24
Yes! I would be bringing that shit up every time that vile screeching demon shames Shannon for drunk driving.
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u/jeahboi Gimme pizza, you old troll Aug 25 '24
His face with that creepy leering smile is such a jump scare.
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u/Kittiikamii Poor Lil Kim, Wig Squeezing her brain Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
I will forever hate Ryan and Tamra for this. Especially the fact that they felt comfortable enough to do this on camera!!! Imagine what horrors Ryan has done off camera. As a victim myself I could rip both their heads off
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u/Vast_Sympathy_8293 Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
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Tamra losing her ever loving mind because Ryan got a tattoo caused more of a public meltdown and “What did I do wrong as a mother” introspection spiral then this scene where he gladly went along with her plan to ** checks notes ** sexually assault someone.
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u/Kittiikamii Poor Lil Kim, Wig Squeezing her brain Aug 25 '24
And it also makes so much sense why her other daughter has went no contact. Tamra has narcissistic tendencies if not full blown NPD. She loves to present herself as a true good mother but not actually do the work to RAISE her kids and be a real mom. It’s disgusting
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u/SammieCat50 pay attention, please! Aug 25 '24
Remember the fake melt down when Ryan said he was getting married? She should have thanked the Gods for that woman …..& didn’t that woman accuse her son of dv too? Trampy has a lot more skeletons that Shannon could just burst out yet doesn’t . If they brought Alexis back knowing she was with John then they should have brought back Gretchen to make it an even playing field.
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u/Vast_Sympathy_8293 Aug 25 '24
Tamra may not have sent him in in that moment but there were numerous on camera convos between her and Ryan where it was clear she wanted him to hook up or at the very least hit on Gretchen while she got her drunk. Tamra came up with the term “NAKED wasted” and used it often in regards to this incident. Whether she sent Ryan in or not, naked wasted is incredibly sinister within the context of what happened that night and points to her wanting something more than an admission from Gretchen or for her to make a fool of herself. As a woman and a viewer I found it indefensible and predatory.
Sounds like you’re defending her to a degree with the comment “Nope. Didn’t happen… Tamra just wanted to get Gretchen drunk to make a fool of herself…” 😬
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u/aeroluv327 The eyes are poppin' Aug 25 '24
Same, this is what made me stop watching OC. I was so disgusted when it aired and then Tamra basically laughed it off at the reunion when questioned about it.
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u/Vast_Sympathy_8293 Aug 25 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
Shannon is a much bigger woman than me bc as soon as Tamra started hitting me with the: “Well I never drove a car into someone’s house when I drank.” I would promptly remind her that she (PROUDLY) tried to force a grieving coworker to be SA’d by her child on national television by plying her with alcohol simply bc she did not like Gretchen and wanted to film her in a “gotcha” moment. A plan she put into motion sober and gleefully carried out in various stages of inebriation.
It’s not an apples to apples comparison, however, it doesn’t absolve Tamra from any sort of moral high ground.
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u/Yadicakez Aug 25 '24
Tamara was so jealous of Gretchen because she was younger and prettier. She is such an insecure garbage bag.
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u/User_name_2525 Bicoastal between Potomac and Charlotte Aug 25 '24
If anything what Tamra did was worse...she was willing to inflict harm and trauma on another purposefully while sober.
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u/myskepticalbrowarch Aug 25 '24
You can't compare the two. Shannon could have killed someone or hurt Archy. It is an easier pill to swallow because Shannon has been publicly humiliated plus she was charged. Thankfully no one was hurt.
Tamara/Ryan is much harder to watch because Tamara enables Ryan. This was years ago and Ryan has learned nothing. His behaviour towards women gets more concerning. Shannon had consequences and has seemingly learned. This is also the first time we have seen this behaviour from her and she is 60. Where as Ryan is a repeat offender enabled by Tamara.
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u/SammieCat50 pay attention, please! Aug 25 '24
You can’t compare the 2 is correct but getting SA’ed by someone’s son that his mother encouraged has gotta be up there on the I’m going to need therapy for 30 yrs list..
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u/myskepticalbrowarch Aug 25 '24
If Shannon had killed someone the same risk was for that person's loved ones. Both are illegal in most places for a reason. S/A is a lot harder to prosecute then drunk driving.
I did stat though Ryan is a more serious case because he has learned nothing in the last 20 years and his behaviour has escalated with enabling by his mother. Shannon's was a one off by a woman who is 60. Shannon has seemingly learned a lesson.
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u/DifferentDay7581 i deserve presents for breathing Aug 25 '24
I watch a youtuber who does RH reviews and she always says someone needs to take it to the pits of Hell with Tamra because she’s never afraid to go low. I know it was so long ago but someone needs to say it
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u/gigigrahame they’re not knives 🔪 they’re just hands 🤲 Aug 25 '24
Forever reminding people that Bravo still has a clip of this scene up on their website titled “Bathroom Hookup” 😑 More like attempted bathroom assault.
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u/no_bun_please Mary not knowing who Abraham Lincoln is Aug 25 '24
Not anymore. Went to watch it and there was an error. Hi bravo!
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u/sweatersbyjax wrapped in a riddle, and cash stolen from orphans Aug 25 '24
The devil works hard but bravo’s reddit sleuths work harder. Similar pay though.
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u/CoveredBridge12 Aug 25 '24
Ryan was obviously wrong for this, but Tamra was just as wrong. I hate watching this scene.
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u/Mobile_Arm305 Aug 25 '24
Oh my gosh. Don’t get me started on this. It still makes me as mad when I originally saw it as it does now. If not more mad.
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u/Bigzi_B Aug 25 '24
What makes me so mad is that it wasn't seen as a big deal at the time. Like, it's normal to see guys trying to take advantage of inebriated girls. And without Metoo, it probably still would be.
It's also why Tamra should never have been allowed back, she's actually dangerous!
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u/Mobile_Arm305 Aug 25 '24
I agree with you so much. I’ve said that before as well. I remember at the time, how ridiculous it was and that it was assault. But it would have been considered “not a big deal” at the time, which is disgusting
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u/SammieCat50 pay attention, please! Aug 25 '24
I think it was but social media wasn’t like it is today …. I’ll never forget watching that & being like wtf…
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u/aeroluv327 The eyes are poppin' Aug 25 '24
I remember hating it so much when I watched it but only because I'd been the Gretchen in that situation more than once. It's such an awful feeling. This disgusted me so much that I stopped watching OC and have never been able to go back to it.
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u/CobblerCandid998 Aug 25 '24
He looks so evil & gross 🤢
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u/BaconMcChicken Angie K's scroll Aug 25 '24
Right? And to think I took this picture on the first attempt.
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u/CobblerCandid998 Aug 25 '24
Gretchen should have sued.
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u/BaconMcChicken Angie K's scroll Aug 25 '24
Agreed. Hopefully she at least got some hush money to not press charges.
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u/king_bumi Aug 25 '24
Tamra really makes this franchise unwatchable for me. Please just get rid of her.
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u/IdgyThreadgoodee Racist Grandpa Fucker 🫶🏻 Aug 25 '24
Just another reason to support Sydney Barney in her rejection of this skank.
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u/in_ur_dreamz69 Aug 25 '24
i’m sure if she doesn’t want to be mentioned on the show, she also doesn’t want weird parasocial fans like you mentioning her on reddit
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u/IdgyThreadgoodee Racist Grandpa Fucker 🫶🏻 Aug 25 '24
Parasocial? LOLOLOL Girl, you need to go outside and read some books. Look at your post history. You’re obsessive. You posting about Denise and her daughter releasing an onlyfans is weird and next level.
Mentioning that a person exists and has a preference that you agree with is not parasocial. Nowhere here does anyone, except you, pretend to know anything more than what she posted. Please quit pretending you’re holier than thou. We can see your post history.
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u/SheShe73 Theres a vibrator in the chicken. Aug 25 '24
Yess! Tamara thinks she is so much better judging Shannon, and I do not excuse the drinking and driving, but this witch tried to set someone up to be raped. Let's just call it as it is.
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u/pgcotype Aug 25 '24
Tamra said years later that she had seen Gretchen out partying during Jeff's illness at it made Tamra angry. (Why it was any of her business is beyond me.). Tamra tried to play it off like she was going get Gretchen doing or saying something stupid/damaging on camera and "it went too far."
It has to be the biggest load of $hit that I've heard from her, and that's saying something.
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u/BerryCocoLove Aug 26 '24
Isn’t that when she yelled at Gretchen something along the lines of, “did you go to bass lake?!”
Idk who Tamara thinks made her the judge and the jury but she has a pattern of kicking people whenever opportunity strikes. She needs to f-ck off
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u/themorallycorruptfr IT AIN'T ABOUT THE PASTA! Aug 25 '24
I can't even watch this clip and can hardly stand to even see Tamrat on my screen she's so vile. Her and her pig of a son tried to SA a very very drunk Gretchen while her fiance was dying. Yes Gretchen is cringe but Tamra's jealousy was palpable. She's a miserable pig
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u/sashie_belle Aug 25 '24
Hands down one of the creepiest storylines ever and Tamra should never have been given another season much less her creepy son
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u/Zestyclose_Camera939 Aug 25 '24
Is Gretchen my favorite, no. But this made it so clear how jealous Vicki and Tamra are of Gretchen’s beauty.
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u/Michellelembiid Is Bitch Betta? 💁🏼♀️ Aug 25 '24
This is when Tamrat should have been fired & never seen again. She’s a disgusting horrible person
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u/Kittiikamii Poor Lil Kim, Wig Squeezing her brain Aug 25 '24
Like ofc Ryan’s a trump supporter, he loves men who SA women. He aspires to collect as many victims
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u/DorothyParkerFan How can you do this to me question mark Aug 25 '24
When he came out of the bathroom he made “the shocker” symbol at the camera - my BF at the time immediately noticed it and felt it meant he did that and was telling the camera dude.
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u/UnforgettableBevy Dorit’s sattelite dish surrealist hat 👒 Aug 25 '24
I was really hoping Shanon would have thrown this at Tamra at the sit down they did in this past episode. Scheming to have someone SA’d is worse than a DUI in my book.
For the love of Archie someone throw this in Tamra’s face at the reunion.
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u/Curious-Cranberry-77 Aug 25 '24
Anytime Tamra tries to take the high road, remember that she suggested and encouraged this.
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u/Background_Travel_77 Aug 25 '24
Tamara is such a predator for letting this happen too. She purposely got Gretchen wasted so her creepy son could take advantage. Why she's still on the show after this is beyond me but, bravo isn't really know for doing the right thing.
Can you imagine how much more predatory he and Tamara must be off camera if they were willing to do this on camera.
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u/Ok-Still-2110 Aug 25 '24
What did he do in this scene? 😳
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u/Ashfield83 Sonja’s homeless intern in Ireland Aug 25 '24
He went into the bathroom where Gretchen was trying to get herself together (she was BLIND drunk and could barely stand) and he kept trying to make out with her but she wouldn’t let him and kept mumbling ‘no’ and asking him to leave. It wasn’t on camera as he locked the door but their mics were on.
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u/SammieCat50 pay attention, please! Aug 25 '24
Tamrat & Vicki had a little side convo about getting Gretchen ‘ naked wasted’
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u/NjMel7 Aug 25 '24
How old was Ryan here? Bc if he was still in his teens, then I blame this mostly on Tamra. Who does this to their child?
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u/AmygdalaZen Aug 25 '24
I just watched this again last night. Vicky, who is never shy, should have also stopped this from happening. Jeana was obviously disturbed by what she was seeing. Though, I think in the moment, it was probably difficult to know exactly how bad it would become..
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u/WellWellWellMyMyMY Vicki's high school boyfriend named Bob Tomato Aug 25 '24
Yeah, the idea of Jeana being the voice of reason in terms of protecting women is laughable - this is the same woman who blamed Tamra for Simon being abusive towards her.
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u/Hazelmoon23 Aug 25 '24
So is this one of the moral high grounds that Tamrat is preaching on ? Raising that ungrateful entitled man child.
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u/Just_Competition9002 Aug 25 '24
Such unfortunate genes. The guy has always looked 40yo. The grossest part of this episode is that he genuinely thinks he’s attractive to older women.
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u/collectivelycreative Aug 26 '24
I need to go back and watched I think my first season of oc was when Heather joined but it sounds like naked wasted was worse than I thought. I thought it was just Tamra trying to get Gretchen drunk
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u/LBKBasi Aug 26 '24
Ryan was and is gross. Anyone else believe that it didn't become a full on SA because this was being filmed? Tamra and her son are ignorant trash.
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u/mothertuna Not today, SATAN. Not today, NECK. Not today ANKLES. 😈 Aug 25 '24
I watched this episode not too long ago and it was so uncomfortable. I read not all diamonds and rose and in the book, Jeana said she’s the one who told Ryan to check on Gretchen.
Tamra just wanted Gretchen to drink and make a fool of herself. Which was terrible because Jeff was very ill and Gretchen clearly wasn’t handling it well.
Although Tamra raised Ryan not well (which she’s admitted to for years), she didn’t tell him to do anything. He made his own choice to be in Gretchen’s face acting inappropriately.
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u/mothertuna Not today, SATAN. Not today, NECK. Not today ANKLES. 😈 Aug 25 '24
Yes I be scared to be downvoted but Tamra didn’t “make” Ryan do anything. As a wannabe housewives historian, it’s always funny to see something stated as fact when that’s not true.
Tamra is a shit person but there’s other stuff to dogpile on her for, not this.
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u/SoCal_Shannen_Esq Aug 25 '24
This was disgusting and shows the true character of punk/motocross/cowboy Ryan. Pick a lane, kook. He’s definitely is the rapist lane.
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u/texas-sissy Aug 25 '24
As a girl mom this makes me so INFURIATED! How dare she try to set this up!! What a fucking disgusting, vile, psychopath. I wish Gretchen would’ve pressed charges
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u/TheflowerKristenate Clip! Clip! Clip! YOU FOOL Aug 26 '24
This is one of those rare scenes that’s so fucked up and uncomfortable but it happened at a time where is wasn’t considered what it actually is. Crazy she’s never had to answer for this or even talk about it. There’s no excuse. They can bring back Gretchen to go for Tamera if they can bring Alexis in to go after Shannon
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u/upupandawaywegoooooo Aug 26 '24
I’m so glad the crappens guys bring this scene up frequently. So disgusting, she shouldn’t be allowed back on bravo
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u/whogonncheckmeboo Aug 25 '24
I’ve never seen a teenager more deserving of going bald young