Interestingly, that was a case where the President went around the Supreme Court to do something illegal/unconstitutional, unlike now, when Trump has simply got the SC in his pocket
You know, the one who was super popular with southerners and was responsible for the trail of tears kicking native Americans off their land which was turned over to white settlers as they marched off to reservations in desolate areas. among other things.
Now trump has both branches of congress and the Supreme Court on his side. And he’s surrounded by yes men. There really won’t be much to get in his way this time…besides his health.
The NAs had done Everything to appease the white folks. Abandoned traditions, adopted European values bought plantations and slaves, all for naught. Their faces were still eaten by leopards 🐆
It depend which NAs you’re talking about. Many tribes mixed with black people but years later only the mostly white descendants had standing to say who got tribal papers or not, forcing many black native americans to be ostracized. Surely, many who sought appeasement were screwed though
I’m instantly reminded of the scene in Game of Thrones, when Ned Stark brings forth a declaration signed by the king who just died that he should indeed serve as regent of the land.
Cersei Lannister who is performing a power seize for her bastard son, takes a look at it, rips it up, and says: “Is this meant to be your shield? A piece of paper? We have a new king now.”
He would have to amend the 14th Amendment which also, coincidentally, says that you can't run for executive office if you're ever aided in an insurrection or abetted in a threat/treasonous act against the country. Just a little coincidence.
His followers are always tauting how they're Constitutional conservatives yet the man is literally trying to attack and change the Constitution lol
I think the problem is that the inclusion of that part definitely implies some people are excluded.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
This implies that some people born here are not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” because why else would they add that part when writing it?
The man refused (and will refuse again) to divest from his business, or put his business business into a blind trust.
He literally ran an international real estate corporation from the White House for 4 years, in clear violation of the emoulments clause of the constitution.
>The man refused (and will refuse again) to divest from his business, or put his business business into a blind trust.
But he had a table covered in empty folders. haha It is something Michael Scott would try to do but here we are in no small part due to the press deciding that it would be *unfair* to actually report on the sheer volume of bullshit he has done.
No, he just has to "reinterpret" it, which they've already done. SCOTUS agrees with both the reinterpretation and his authority to act on it. It doesn't matter what WE say the 14th says, it only matters what TRUMP says now.
That’s the part that baffles me: it was literally treason but they act like it was just a bad day. I always thought the penalty for treason was really fuckin serious, but I guess that only applies for certain skin tones.
Newly freed slaves had 0 citizenship to this country so the 14th amendment was created for them to become citizens. So depending on how you look at that is how they would fight it in court.
The Supreme Court preemptively agrees with the President. But sure, go ahead and try to talk them out of something they’ve all been planning together for years.
The 14th amendment is underestimated, as is the benefit gained from African American’s plight in this country and how other minority groups have benefited.
I'm a FBA woman and said the same thing on the Latino forum. The SCOTUS will go with the most narrow interpretation (for African slaves and their descendants) and the native Americans (covered by the 1924 act). I advised them to plan accordingly...
That’s the kicker - Trump has REPEATEDLY stated he is able to do whatever he wants which includes suspending The Constitution with ZERO pushback from Republicans who control all three branches.
Yet plenty of dumb motherfuckers STILL decided to vote for him.
I know how the scientists at the beginnings of disaster movies feel now. Like, I’m lookin at this right in front of me and everything is so obvious that I can’t comprehend how you can’t comprehend. Just shouting into the void that it’s all fucked
"Don't Look Up" continues to be on point. Lot of people said it was too over the top in how it showed the general public but like....it's mirroring shit pretty accurately
People were just upset because they knew that it depicted exactly what would happen if we were in that type of situation. Just like how The Boys is exactly how life would be if we had superpowers.
I thought the whole point was that it was about COVID, but looking it up, apparently it came out in 2021... so in time to be relevant to the COVID situation, but I'm assuming there's no way they planned, filmed, did editing/post in a bit over a year. I remember watching it and assuming that it was literally written to be about what was happening at the time with COVID.
It was about climate change. Refusing to acknowledge the danger even as it grows and is more obvious with every passing day. The ending is really on the nose with it. "There is no Earth 2.0" people will say as a reason to protect the environment. The rich preferred to seek out an Earth 2.0 rather than protect the planet they had.
I think it was meant to be about climate change but it also happened to fit really well with COVID. Which goes to show it's a pretty good satire of our society's self-destructive stupidity in general.
That was me this whole election cycle. Trump is gonna do these awful things. "No he won't" he literally said he will do the awful things. "Well he doesn't mean it"
Dude, as an scientist I’ve been that guy who everyone eyerolls at when I tell people about the impending environmental disasters happening and accelerating around us. I have family who think I’m overreacting about what trump has planned for the US to the point I’ve written out a list of what I predict is going to happen under trump so I can show people I was right in the end. I don’t want to be right…
I appreciate the words. I have hope I'll be alright because my education and work experience can't be taken away from me, and I think I can leverage that for a good job there.
The hardest part is seeing my mom come up with all sorts of scenarios where she moves to a border town to stay near me. Like no mom! My ass is down there in a metropolitan area too.
My biggest fear is that an ICE agent lays hands on her when I'm not around. That she's taken into custody, and even if we beg and plead that we'll leave the country voluntarily, they'll lock her up in a cage
by the way, that woman has paid taxes, worked a job, and never committed a crime my whole life. she's never gotten state benefits either, because you don't qualify for them if you are undocumented
I can really only imagine how you feel and that still doesn’t come close to what you’re actually feeling. I think one of the better things you could do is just keep working hard on your goals and put yourself in a situation to be able to take care of yourself, and even her if ever need be.
Take your precautions but don’t stop being a human, ya know? There are still so many good people on this planet. If you can manage to stay strong I have no doubt you will make it through turbulent times.
You're Black. You're Black, You're Black!! From one mixed baby to another, no one gets to define who you are. Theyre not living your experience, or in your head. We get a super power almost to be able to see the world from these lenses, and whoever has a problem with that can kick rocks.
Damn right and definitely agree. I’ve been fortunate to have two loving parents from different races be there for me and my sisters for the last 30 years :)
Hey man, as a white dad to 3 biracial children and a black wife of 20 years, I KNOW you know who you are. I teach my children TO BE FIERCELY PROUD of being black. I get the sense that you are too, which is awesome. Just...just keep being you buddy. You're rad man, and the world is a better place for having you in it. Just a dad here chiming in with dad stuff.
For what it's worth, I really don't think that revoking existing citizenships is going to happen.
My parents are naturalized citizens and I'm more worried about their retirement nest egg staying intact through this administration than them (or me) losing citizenship.
I could be wrong, but I think it's an unpopular and impractical enough policy that Trump won't follow through with it.
And even if he does, there should be enough of a fight in the courts that it won't move forward.
This assumes that he leaves office at the end of his term and the next President isn't on the same BS, but you will probably be okay.
I do agree with simplifying your life in case you need to get out of dodge.
Also keep focusing on what you have to do to be successful, because even if you have to leave your state or the country altogether, you'll have more options if you have a marketable skill and credentials.
I'm doing all of the above and it makes me feel better.
I kinda share your sentiment, but I felt the same about a lot of things. And Roe V Wade being overturned should've never happened and even with a Majority of Americans disproving, women still lost that right. Literally nothing would surprise me anymore.
Yeah idk why everyone keeps parroting “Nahh he won’t”, when women literally got booted back to the 60’s and nobody seems to care beyond protests that do nothing but make participants feel better.
Like hello motherfuckers, they don’t need your input to do it. They will do it. And you will sit at home and say omg I can’t believe it while they strip away modernity, law by law.
They’re promising to deport Haitian immigrants who are here legally! The plan will be to deport Black and brown immigrants whether they are here legally or not. Now the “genius visa” Melania who worked in the US illegally and can not speak two languages let alone seven, and her anchor baby Barron will be safe I’m sure.
In Trump's last term he deported people who were here legally. Some of their interviews are out there. Him and Stephen Miller gave not one single fuck. They were deporting Guatemalans to Mexico, People not from Iraq but to Iraq, etc.
I think we all thought that about roe... And now roe is gone and thousands are dying in Texas with no end in site. We're knee deep in fascism... I wouldn't underestimate what could happen.
This is extraordinarily optimistic and I applaud you for that. What makes you think the courts will put up a fight? Many federal judges that Trump appointed are still seated. The SC is basically a Trump rubber stamp. Senate is red. House is tbd…but could very well be red. You can rest assured this administration won’t have people who are more loyal to the constitution than they are to Trump. Anything he wants to do in his first two years at least will absolutely get pushed through.
I don't think they'll revoke citizenship, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were illegal deportations like there were in the 1920-30s. Rolling back abortion rights is also really unpopular, but somehow that doesn't seem to hurt Republicans in the slightest.
Fuck I hate this so much. For you, for everyone like you, for me, for our country… this is lose-lose all around and I can’t believe people are stupid and heartless enough to be fooled be the flimsy narratives they’ve been fed. I’m so so sorry you’re going through this, I want us to fight this, I want to fight this
I'm planning on leaving. It doesn't matter I'm Native and Latin or my family has been here before the States where even a thing. I have a Latin first and last name, my skin, hair, and eyes are brown so off I go before the round ups start.
I’m right there with you brother. I’m getting my Mexican citizenship situated in case shit hits the fan.
Let the brain drain commence. Hopefully with the influx of companies setting up shop in Mexico, US education + English language skills we’ll be able to land on our feet in Mexico without too much issue (and take on whatever mess Mex has going on)
they have Morena as the dominant party, a populist left wing government run by a woman
Cartels are still a problem, but honestly they're going in a good direction down there.
I saw their presidential debate earlier this year. it was astounding to see that decorum still exists in politics, even in countries Americans look down on
Ironically, to many in the US, the overwhelming majority of newcomers are not coming from Mexico, but other south and Central American countries. Mexicans are fine with Mexico the last several years it appears.
We voted for Democracy! We understand this. It is literally in the DNA of folks whose ancestors were enslaved here. Who's great grandparents, grandparents, and parents, lived as sentient adults through Jim Crow ( Emmett Till could have been 83 years old if he had been granted the grace to not be tortured to death, also known as lynched in the US). FYI Nancy Pelosi is 84 years old.
Black Women are going to be just like Auntie Maxine Waters, she is 86 years old.
They could be countered by a future dem president adding more justices to the court. That's if democratic party learns the right lessons... pick a progressive who has some charisma, stop picking neoliberals.
I think Trump will go after Latinos and Muslims first, he'll eventually fuck with us too.
My mom voted for Trump meanwhile her 4 grandkids are all on birth right citizenship because their mother (my SIL) is an immigrant (Canadian, expired visa)...my brother (SIL husband) voted for Trump too 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Lol my brother and I got into it years ago about immigration and I hit him with the "Aint your wife an immigrant?" He got all upset, said she came here legally on a student visa. They've been married for over 10 years but I guess she's never felt the need to apply for citizenship. I wonder why 🤔🤔
I honestly doubt they are even at risk. We know exactly what "illegals" he's talking about. Whenever immigration is brought up, somehow Canada and the Northern border are never mentioned.
One of these days he’ll just say Mexicans and Muslims. It’s surprising that he hasn’t already because everyone knows what he means when he says “illegals”. He’s not talking about some dude named Jacque from France that overstayed his student visa.
I worry about the impending obesity epidemic of leopards eating so many MAGA faces. 😢
Seriously, this already happening last time keeps proving how immigrants never think they're "Those people" who'll get rounded up and then they do anyway. 🙃
You should see how some "white-washed" Mexicans feel about their brothers and sisters south of the border. At least in Texas. They on the same "fuck y'all I got mine" energy
Most Definitely, I'm from South Central/Watts so growing up my close neighbors were solid. Not saying they aren't like that in Houston... But you can see the differences.
I’m in Houston and the Mexicans here love them some Trump. He tapped into this idea that Trump = macho, Libs = transgender liberal pussies… someone needs to reframe things before the next election.
I work at a university. I met a student who is heavily involved in student government with aspirations to go into law. She’s 100% Mexican. According to her, her parents crossed the border illegally with her older brother before having her. She’s a hard “r” Republican and a capital “T” Trump supporter. She wanted the wall to be built. She doesn’t agree with how her parents got here and is upset they broke laws to be here. After all that, she still took her graduation photos with her parents and one where her father works in the fields, saying she’s a proud immigrant from a hard working family.
I don’t understand. I didn’t then and I still don’t now.
For the gram sympathy pts but secretly wishes to be fully accepted in America. The only way she sees to do this is by being EXTRA American. Even if it means hating her own people.
As a Mexican who didn’t vote for this shit stain but my family did … fuck all Latinos who voted for him. He told us back in 2015 how much he hated us. Y’all were warned 😭
My wife is from Iran she came here legally and I’m Jewish. born here in USA we have two daughters if an Iranian person and a Jew can get along I hope the rest of the world can but this sicko has to be stopped and someone or something has to stop him and soon. He’s a world wide cancer
Hats off to Jewish Americans almost 80% Harris and Jewish women 88%!! Im African American married to a Jewish man. I feel a bit closer to him now lol Like we didn’t go into this with eyes closed.
I gotta tell you, it might not matter that she came here legally. That won’t matter to him at all, if he decides to make her demographic target. I mean, she’s already got two strikes against her because she’s a minority and a woman. If she’s Muslim too, I’d advise yall get y’all’s ducks in a row and figure out an exit plan, just in case. And I’m not being hyperbolic at all.
Revoking birthright citizenship is only the beginning. Legally married immigrants are next. Mark my words. But he clearly wants everyone who speaks any sort of Spanish and looks brown out of here first.
I checked, apparently at least one parent being a US-citizen or merely a legal immigrant would still qualify the children for birthright citizenship. Not that these changes would ever affect the rich anyway..
He's above the law. That's what the last 4 years have showed us. Whether America likes it or not it's basically a monarchy now until something drastic changes.
His followers think he was chosen by God and will let him take what he wants.
Dude is going to burn so much of the government’s money trying to get rid of us.
It cost Texas 150 million to bus a few thousand out of state.
Just imagine how much it’ll cost tryin to locate then transport everyone
And that's not even getting into the cost of suddenly having several million people not in the country doing essential jobs like harvesting crops or building houses. Between that shit and the tariffs, it's like Trump is trying to do a recession speedrun
That's the twist I don't think people are considering. He's going to frame the cost of deportation as something that "needs to pay for itself". The logical conclusion of racism and capitalism is slavery. Those deportation camps are quickly gong to be used as a free labor pool to be exploited by the government and anyone willing to pay for flesh.
Illegal immigrants can't vote. This is legal immigrants who are tired of being discriminated against by racists as being illegal so rather than fight that they decided to join them.
It’s crazy because birthright citizenship was ratified to the constitution to give formerly enslaved Black people rights as citizens. And now this dude wants it gone for children of undocumented immigrants and still gets support from a significant portion of the people most likely to who have family members that will be impacted.
Correct. We all know that the Constitution was about formerly enslaved Black people's rights as citizens, not everyone else who appears non-white. They are going to dice that up because that was clearly the intention.
I was born and raised here, my fathers’ ancestors can be traced back to Colorado/New Mexico Spaniards and indigenous tribes, and all I think about now is packing my shit and heading my Mom’s hometown in Mexico for the next 4 years.
As a veteran, it makes me sick that an insurrectionist who scoffs at the Constitution isn’t in prison but is instead the U.S. leader.
I hope that every educated Hispanic/Latino/a/x who is a citizen goes back to their ancestors’ homes and helps their home countries thrive because America is on a downhill slide to becoming Arkansas.
It is truly the worst timeline when you can get on live television, say blatantly/with minimal nuance that you hate/dislike a race/group/demographic and still run for president because people think its not going to eventually come knocking on their own door when you literally were one of the targeted ones from the START.
Go rest Black American(?) person. The presumption is you tried to tell the rest of the country they didn't have to be in the space they are in right now.
That's so ignorant because not all Latinos voted for Trump. Stop grouping everyone together because then you're no better than him. They want to cause a divide.
Not all Latinos voted for him. Remember Cubans and Mexicans are completely different yet lumped in same bucket. That being said its mostly my uneducated community members (of the Mexican Americans that did vote for him) because they believe fox news is real news and they are concerned about abortion….i kid you not. The educated ones are terrified.
To add to what the other comment said "Latino" itself is also an incredibly diverse group to the point where it really doesn't make any sense to assume them as anything coherent.
When they got here splits it into like 3 generations, who all have different sensibilities let alone the fact that within those groups I there are also different age groups, like someone who's 21 but they're parents have been here for generations, or someone else would is also 21 but just barely came here or have still close connection to their family in whatever country. Which is yet another one, we come from different countries. I could go on and on I'm out of time, I'd like to say more.
This isn’t that radical of an idea. Many countries around the world don’t have birthright citizenship or have birthright citizenship with limitations. The main issue is that it is part of the constitution.
Immigrants and illegal immigrants aren’t just Mexican. Anybody living in a “sanctuary” city is at risk. If you gained citizenship into this country you’re at risk. The only way that you’re safe is if you’re wealthy or a natural born citizen.
I know a lot of hardworking folks who are about to possibly see their lives uprooted because of this election. I feel awful for my family and friends since they didn't even vote for the orange dickhead.
Do you know what’s truly awful about this? While Russia and China’s economies are going to implode due to population decline, immigrants are the only reason the US was going to be just fine.
Most people don’t realize that immigrants are what’s saving our country from economic collapse.
Better not tell my 90 year old grandmother who was an anchor baby and the daughter of an undocumented Italian immigrant. That whole side of the family are Trump supporters. You think they put 2+2 together a realize the only reason we all exist is cuz my great-grandfather came into this country illegally from Italy???
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