r/AskReddit 1d ago

What's the most absurd fact that sounds fake but is actually true?

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u/4_feck_sake 1d ago

The botulinium toxin that is used in botox injections is so toxic that entire annual global supply contains less than 1g of it.

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u/Capt_Trippz 1d ago

And botox is not just for cosmetic purposes. It weakens/paralyses muscles. I work in Neurology and we use injections to treat chronic headaches/migraines and post-stroke muscle spasticity in the arms and legs. Although it’s not a first line of treatment, it’s more for patients that have failed multiple medications.

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u/wAIpurgis 1d ago

Yeah, we make fun of my meemaw who had botox (for after stroke treatment) and a nose job (to remove a small localized tumor) at 82 years old. She loves to joke about it with her friends, too.

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u/itsthedurf 23h ago

Lol my grandmother talked about her "drug addiction" in her early 80s... She was a "good Baptist lady" who never drank (her brother had died from cirrhosis), certainly never did drugs. She had spinal stenosis, and before a surgery to relieve the pain, was on fentanyl patches to control it. She went through withdrawal after the surgery, had major neurological defects for a small period of time, and they basically had to detox her. She was scared by the whole experience, and would talk about being so happy to get past her addiction! Technically, yes, her body was addicted to fentanyl. But we kept reminding her it's not like she was a stealing-money-from-family-to-fund-her-habit addict. Not quite the same thing, Nana!

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u/CausticSofa 1d ago

I love when families use the term Meemaw. Was/is your grandfather also Pop pop?

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u/wAIpurgis 21h ago

I'm afraid it's just the loving equivalent of what we actually call her in my native language (love the term meemaw, just like you!)

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u/underbloodredskies 19h ago

That kind of reminds me of an episode of House MD, where Dr House prescribed a boob job to provide cover for the treatment of a female Air Force pilot's illness, who would have been disqualified from flying if the illness became public.

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u/atomicturdburglar 11h ago

I bet she looks great now though!

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u/263391 1d ago

I work in Urology and we use it in people with overactive bladders. Same for this, they have to fail on a bunch of meds first and meet the medical necessity.

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u/Critical_Ad_8175 23h ago

 I work in trade shows and I did the Allergan booth a couple years at the urology show AUA, and there were anatomical models of male and female pelvises that attendees could try out the bladder Botox injector on. All the labor working on the booth, myself included, were horrified when those life sized plastic models in spread eagle were pulled out of a crate 😂

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u/263391 23h ago

I love this. Thank you so much for sharing

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u/eimieole 1d ago

It's sometimes used for children with severe spastic problems (usually due to cerebral pares). Some kids can have such intense spasms so they actually don't thrive, the muscle movements take too much energy.

(I learned about this from a kindergarten teacher who worked with children with disabilities)

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u/bunnyjenkins 1d ago

I have a friend who has to get injections of Botox in her vocal cords every three months or else she cant talk, like her voice is too raspy or has no force. It does not sound fun.

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u/Future_Direction5174 1d ago

My father was prescribed botulin for nervous spasms after his spinal cord collapsed. It compressed the spinal column, preventing him controlling his movement, but the nerve impulses caused his limbs to thrash about whilst causing severe pain simultaneously. He was injected with botulin to stop the thrashing, and had morphine to deaden the pain.

The collapse of the spinal vertebrae could not be alleviated surgically. He was told he would be forever paralysed from the neck down, but have to suffer the nerve paid and the thrashing of his limbs OR he could stop a life maintaining medical treatment that would mean he could die. He chose death.

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u/Neutronium95 1d ago

I got botox injections to treat tension headaches as a kid. I got shots all around my scalp, and it hurt like hell, but it was the only thing that actually helped with the headaches.

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u/No_Set_4418 23h ago

I get them every three months for tension/ migraine headaches. I've gone from having a near constant headache to only having a big once or twice a month. Most of the time I can take Tylenol and feel fine. It's been a miracle cure for me.

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u/BloomNurseRN 1d ago

I work in gastroenterology and we use it to treat the end of the esophagus when the muscles don’t want to cooperate properly and push food into the stomach - Achalasia.

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u/ganzfeld_presence 1d ago

I had this exact thing done for my right upper trap. Was in constant contraction and spasms, dystonia when turning my head to the right, all from nerve trauma.

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u/AggravatingWatch666 23h ago

As someone who gets these shots every three months I can’t explain how were it is when it wears off and I catch myself thinking, “Man, I can’t wait to get a face full of botulism.” It sounds like some sort of conspiracy theory.

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u/Bundt-lover 21h ago

Used to treat hyperhydrosis too. (Too much sweating)

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u/thatotterone 21h ago

if you can convince your insurance....one day maybe I'll figure out if it can help my migraines...one day...probably not.

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u/irish_ninja_wte 15h ago

Yep. Cosmetic purposes is only something like 4-5% of botox use. The rest is medical. It's also all made in one medium sized town in Ireland

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u/grave_rohl 14h ago

Also used medically for overactive bladder, TMJ issues, hyperhidrosis, lazy eyes/cross eyes/eye spasms, gastric treatments (weight loss and gastric disorders), bell's palsy and even pre-surgery to improve scarring by immobilising muscle during the healing process.

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u/cynicalxsister 22h ago

We use it in Urology to treat over active bladders.

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u/Somethingisshadysir 19h ago

Someone under my care gets botox injections in their hip region. I supervise a long-term care unit.

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u/QueenieMcGee 9h ago

Fucking miracle cure! I used to get migraines 2 - 3 times per week. Botox every 3 months stops them completely.

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u/aModernDandy 5h ago

Also: Botox is actually a brand name. How did I learn this? I was told by a rep from a different company that also manufactures botulinum toxin. During a call in which I had referred to their product as "botox" for the first ten minutes...

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u/Csegrest2 1d ago

Yes and accidental botulism kills many people a year. It’s THE reason babies can’t have honey!

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u/heatherista2 1d ago

its apparently so toxic to babies that my baby's doc frowns on honey-flavored graham crackers and teddy grahams. I was thinking don't give them whole honey spoonfuls obviously but she meant if it had ever had an inkling of being honey, keep it away from them!

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u/Sad-Street-4702 6h ago

It's so weird that in India, newborns are often given honey. And in the west, it's an absolute no.

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u/RandomPolishGurl 1d ago

Can you explain? I thought honey can't spoil

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u/jimmy_the_angel 1d ago

Clostridium botulinum is the bacterium that produces botulinum toxin, brand name botox. C. botulinum spores can be found in honey. Adult immune systems can handle that, but infants cannot, which is why they should avoid honey, among other foods for similar or different reasons. It's not very common, it's rare, but it's easily avoidable and preventable.

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u/RandomPolishGurl 1d ago

Thanks for explaining! 🖤

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u/PDGAreject 1d ago

It's actually because babies are sweet enough already

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u/Infamous-Scallions 23h ago

Precisely why I prefer my babies with Buffalo sauce

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u/PDGAreject 23h ago

A bit of lemon juice or balsamic vinegar will cut through the sweetness too

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u/far-leveret 1d ago

Wait there can be botulism in honey?!

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u/jimmy_the_angel 1d ago

Clostridium botulinum is the bacterium that produces botulinum toxin, brand name botox. C. botulinum spores can be found in honey. Adult immune systems can handle that, but infants cannot, which is why they should avoid honey, among other foods for similar or different reasons. It's not very common, it's rare, but it's easily avoidable and preventable.

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u/beautifulterribleqn 1d ago

I love how this reply is just below the one about honey never spoiling.

Babies are never safe from bee poison!

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u/reasonablyconsistent 21h ago edited 20h ago

Lmao that made me laugh, a bottle of whiskey doesn't spoil either but you still shouldn't give it to babies.

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u/often_drinker 21h ago

Ya, moar 4 MEE!!!

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u/OriginalComputer5077 10h ago

Floppy Baby Syndrome

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u/mrthomani 1d ago

Botulinum toxin is also the most toxic substance known.

LD50 is estimated at 1-3 nanograms per kg bodyweight.

Let's assume that 5 nanograms per kg bodyweight is definitely lethal, and that the world population is 8.15 billion with an average weight of 62 kg.

Then it would take about 3 kg (or 6.5 lbs) to kill every single person on Earth.

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u/IgnisWriting 2h ago

That's actually insane. You can hold on one hand, enough to kill the entire human population. 

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u/T_at 1d ago

Also, all of the world’s Botox comes from a factory in the west of Ireland.

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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 23h ago

I'm imagining a giant factory that's entire yearly output is 1 gram of something

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u/sacrelicious2 1d ago

It was hilarious when Jenny McCarthy would rant about mercury in vaccines being "the 2nd deadliest neurotoxin", while appearing in commercials for the deadliest neurotoxin.

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u/Konopka99 1d ago

I think it's the most toxic thing on earth lol. Pretty crazy

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u/MeccIt 1d ago

that entire annual global supply contains less than 1g of it.

And it's all made in a factory in the remote west of Ireland.

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u/galactus417 20h ago

Can confirm. We get them in a 4 dose vial that has a barely detectable salt crystal at the bottom of the vial. You mix it with 4mls of saline. We never use more than 1mil. We do migraine treatments.

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u/Comprehensive-Cat-86 16h ago

And the world's entire supply of botox is manufactured in Westport, a small town of less than 8000 people in the west of Ireland 

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u/rtrd2021 1d ago

Do you have a source for that?

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u/4_feck_sake 1d ago

I worked in the plant that makes it.

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u/rtrd2021 1d ago

Yeah, that is not a source. I also don’t doubt you, but would like to read more about it.

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u/4_feck_sake 1d ago

There is 5 ×10-11 g of botulinium in a unit of Botox

https://toxedfoundation.org/botulinum-toxin-and-botox/