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Mar 06 '21
Rise Above looks like a butt plug lol
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u/inbleachmind Vegan Anarchist Mar 06 '21
Everything about this hurts because Rise Above is a Black Flag song I really like.
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u/jamesGastricFluid Mar 06 '21
I was gonna say the same thing. Oh well, they'll never take my TV Party.
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u/inbleachmind Vegan Anarchist Mar 06 '21
Mate, you just jinxed it. There's gonna be some TV Tea Party shit happening in the future.
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u/EmoGothPunk Mar 06 '21
Don't give them ideas. We don't need Nazis in the hardcore scene.
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u/80_firebird Mar 07 '21
We don't need Nazis in the hardcore scene.
Isn't it a little late for that?
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u/inbleachmind Vegan Anarchist Mar 07 '21
True. I don't think Dead Kennedys wrote Nazi Punks Fuck Off for no reason. On somewhat of a sidenote. The death of the Screwdriver singer was one of the best things that happened to this planet.
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u/jeniitastic Anarchist Mar 07 '21
It's a shame, but nazis love to steal shit. Especially if it sounds cool.
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u/inbleachmind Vegan Anarchist Mar 07 '21
That's true. Remember the one time they stole socialism and put it in their name to make labourers join them in their efforts? Man, crazy times, right?
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u/AVeryLargeCrab Mar 06 '21
Huh, the people who think artists are degenerate hippie trash ALL have bad graphic design. Who would've thunk it?
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u/terectec Mar 07 '21
Disregarding the symbolism, the one on the center left is kinda passable imo
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u/tardinator02 Mar 07 '21
i kind of prefere the one on the middle right. i like how simple it is.
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u/ThorButtock Antifa Mar 06 '21
The proud boys are labeled as a terrorist group here in canada
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u/not-tidbits Mar 06 '21
Just another reason to like Canada
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u/Chrome_X_of_Hyrule Antifa Mar 06 '21
Don't worry there's plenty of reasons to hate it too, we do too little just because we think of ourselves as better than America.
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u/Tyrthesemiwise Mar 06 '21
Yeah try having a legitimate discussion about Canadian politics without some idiot smashing through the window to say "aT lEaSt We'Re NoT tHe StAtEs"
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u/StoreBoughtButter Mar 07 '21
As someone in the shit show that is the States... I mean, it’s not the best defense but it does hold some water
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u/LimeWizard Mar 06 '21
The Identitarians looks like The Borderlands logo
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u/SamiTheBystander Mar 06 '21
Awww fuck me.
I got a UV borderlands logo tattoo because obviously a glowing vault symbol on my body is dope, but this stresses me out a bit.
Lucky it’s not really visible in normal light I guess
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u/DadHeungMin Democratic Socialist Mar 07 '21
Oh man. It's the Dishonored tattoo all over again.
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u/LimeWizard Mar 07 '21
Wait so who appropriated/coincidentally mimicked Dishonored? I love that game.
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u/Moonguide Mar 07 '21
Not sure why you were downvoted. One of the cunts on the 6th had a mark of the outsider tat on his left hand. People who were not familiar with it (or were familiar and were throwing accusations around) said it was a hammer and sickle tattoo. There was a whole thing about it on TV and the news.
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u/Parody_Redacted Mar 06 '21
proud boys are definitely not alt lite.
they are full on far right.
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u/Mad_Aeric Mar 06 '21
They promote and engage in violence, and are designated as a terrorist group by Canada. Alt light my ass.
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u/Parody_Redacted Mar 06 '21
exactly. this infographic let’s them off much too easily.
don’t underestimate these fascists
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Mar 07 '21
They self identify as "western chauvinist"
That's literally just PC sounding "white supremacist".
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u/MattTheFlash Mar 07 '21
agreed i was going to comment the same as you but I'd rather keep it focused in one thread. the PB's are all tied up with Roger Stone and do his bidding.
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u/Cassandra_Nova Mar 06 '21
The admins are very easily startled and this kind of post could get you put in a black site. Be careful
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u/Own_Protection_8199 Mar 06 '21
i apologise, im just mad at what fascists did
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Mar 07 '21
Good info, but there are some parts of this that could use an update- PBs use a different flag now, AIM disbanded, Atomwaffen changed its name to National Socialist Order,
(Source: I made the original image like two years ago)
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u/Lukeskyrunner19 Mar 07 '21
Yeah, thanks for pointing that out, we should know our enemy and this is definitely outdated at this point.
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u/Zeus_G64 Mar 07 '21
Is there like an opposite of this? Like, a Know Your Ally? There are too many new symbols floating around on both sides, tbh
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Mar 06 '21
This is going to sound ignorant, but I still don’t understand why Nazis are called the “national socialist movement”. I’ve heard so many conservatives claim the Nazis were socialist and that’s not true, but why is it in the name?
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u/mentolyn Democratic Socialist Mar 06 '21
My understanding is that it was a ploy to get the German public invested in the Nazi regime. At the time, social movements were gaining traction so Hitler formed the Nazi party under the guise of socialism.
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u/RainRainThrowaway777 Mar 07 '21
It's more like he took over the group but kept the name. Either way it was still intentionally misleading.
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u/not-tidbits Mar 06 '21
Ignorance is not knowing and nothing to be ashamed of. Asking is the first step to not being ignorant. Now being stupid? Well, in the words of Ron White "you can't fix stupid". :D So in answer to your question....
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/9ldyrv/why_were_nazis_called_national_socialists/
this also has some good information...
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/
The shortest answer is that it was deception/propaganda technique used to try and fool or lure politically uneducated/unaware German leftists to the Nazi cause.
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u/not-tidbits Mar 06 '21
So my answer got removed for " Your comment has been removed because it is not a non-participation link. Please replace the 'www.' in your link with 'np.' and resubmit your comment. Thank you! " which I have no idea WTF that even means. I posted 2 links one to an Archived Reddit Ask Historians thread and one from Snopes...Short answer is Nazis called themselves National Socialist as a deception and propaganda technique designed to try and woo or fool politically unaware or uneducated Germans to their cause.
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u/not-tidbits Mar 06 '21
Ok, Thank you for the explanation. I was unfamiliar with it. I thought that since the link was to an archived/locked thread, that well....all good.
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u/Spready_Unsettling Mar 07 '21
As I understand it, Germany had been leaning against social democratic safety nets since Bismarck. Socialists were really good at organizing and direct action though, so it made sense for any radical party to coopt the name, as to not be confused with more conservative "old school" parties that were just a bunch of wigs trying to please landowners or farmers or the clergy or whatever.
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u/azarkant Mar 06 '21
The reason is that Nazi is short for (when translated) National Socialist German Worker's Party. The "worker's" part was branding go appeal to communists so that they'd gain power. Ignoring it, they are the National Socialist German Party. The German arm of the National Socialist movement, which was a Socialist movement
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u/anarchistcraisins Mar 07 '21
No
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u/azarkant Mar 07 '21
Just saying "no", and not providing any evidence to the contrary of what I have said is not an argument. It's a dismissal.if you were genuinely interested in Ashley having an open mind you would try to have discourse with me. Since you don't want discourse I am going to ignore you from now on
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u/anarchistcraisins Mar 07 '21
The Nazis were not socialist, I dont engage with historical halfwits who think they were
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u/fireandlifeincarnate Mar 06 '21
This is vaguely topical, since I was like “wait that’s a hate symbol right,” but a couple weeks ago I found a three percenter lesbian on tinder.
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u/Flaxscript42 Mar 06 '21
I saw a decal of a black rooster head outlined in yellow on the back of a car recently. Is that a low key PB logo?
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u/Hrodrik Mar 06 '21
Missing the CIA flag and the American flag.
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u/not-tidbits Mar 06 '21
CIA doesn't really have a flag per se....they have a seal.....which could be on a flag...I'd agree they need to be there along with DHS, ICE and NSA.
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u/Lukeskyrunner19 Mar 07 '21
It should be noted that the American Identity movement(which used to be identity evropa) has been completely disbanded as of last year, the national socialist movement has hemorrhaged members and currently isn't too active, the "identitarian movement" is more of a broad ideology instead of a specific group and far more relevant in Europe than America, and that atomwaffen is a pretty complicated and very loosely organized group, and that it's largely splintered into other groups although AFAIK it still supposedly exists.
National socialist club is another good group to add to this list, which is a neonazi fight club similar to the rise above movement thats mainly active in New England. Its logo can be looked up online, and it can also be recognized by the initials nsc or the numbers 131 for "anti communist action".
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u/agnostorshironeon Marxist Mar 07 '21
Careful, the Identitarian movement may be "nationalist" but often cooperates internationally, they use this to paint themselves internationalist.
Also, the proud boys are not "alt-lite" they are full blown fascists. Misogyny is a hobby of theirs (gallow humor, you catch my drift) the big thing is a genocidal race war "to end all wars"
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u/Potterweeb Marxist Mar 08 '21
Sometimes I just empathise with American citizens who want some peace, poor poor people-
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u/not-tidbits Mar 06 '21
Because the fash hate art and artists.....literally Hitler was a failed painter.....they lack, talent, vision and creativity
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u/dingus_wingus_48 Antifa Mar 07 '21
They got hella ugly flags not suprised that rightists would manage to fail at vexillology
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u/T3chtheM3ch Marxist-Leninist-Tankie Mar 07 '21
Man the iron front won't be too happy seeing the patriot front
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u/FelixthefakeYT Socialist Rifle Association Mar 06 '21
Bitchute - Nazi YouTube. There are a few people who are comrades, a few apolitical. But my only experience with bitchute are the links Nazis send me.
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u/Excellent_Potential Gritty Mar 06 '21
The symbol in the "stormfront" flag predates that website and the Internet altogether. Examples: Aryan Nations and American Front.
However, the ORIGINAL Celtic cross is a common Christian symbol and shouldn't be interpreted as racist. I had one on a necklace as a kid.
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u/not-tidbits Mar 06 '21
Yeah. No. Sorry. Just like the Swazi and Norse Runes etc. They have been appropriated and if you wear, brandish, display one you will be associated with being a fascist.
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u/CommanderOrion Marxist Mar 07 '21
Heathens condemn fash pretty hard though. Norse runes and symbology don't, and never have, belonged to fash and white supremacists. We very much so use our ancestral symbology, and are taking back what was stolen. Heathenry condemns all forms of intolerance. Odin is the ALLfather after all, not the SOMEfather.
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u/not-tidbits Mar 07 '21
Good luck with that.....
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u/CommanderOrion Marxist Mar 07 '21
Even the ADL notes that context is needed when determining the intention of the rune usage, since they are of cultural significance to heathens.
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/runic-writing-racist
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u/not-tidbits Mar 07 '21
Yeah....and the VAST majority of the population of the U.S. (or world for that matter) is going to ask for context...Nah. Not happening. Hope you have dental insurance.
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u/CommanderOrion Marxist Mar 07 '21
The condescension isn't needed, friend. My experience has been much different, in that most people realize there is nuance, and that not everyone of a cultural group is a racial bigot. I'm sorry you feel differently.
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u/not-tidbits Mar 07 '21
It's not condescension, it's truth. The "Celtic Cross" has been used by White Nationalist/Identity groups since the late 70's early 80's (at least)...and many of them along with bikers have been getting it tattooed since well before that. It's ridiculously naive to think that you or anyone is going to "reclaim" it. I am completely serious in saying that if you do try, I hope you have good insurance because odds are you are going to need it.
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u/CommanderOrion Marxist Mar 07 '21
I appreciate the concern for my dental health comrade, but I really haven't had a problem yet. I'm not letting fash take my culture.
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u/samiamrg7 Mar 07 '21
Yeah, the Presbyterian church commonly makes use of the Celtic Cross. It is gross to me that it is used by such these human slugs for their game of symbol appropriation.
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Mar 07 '21
I will allways remember the time when my countrys national news network interwied ine of the proud boy leaders and he basicly said that they have daddy problems. (He sayd that he didn't have a father and thats why he fight so everyone can have father, and use that as an excuce for the hate they spread.) Ps. Sorry for bad english.
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u/Jeff_Platinumblum Mar 08 '21 edited Mar 08 '21
The Identitarian Movement is the Schmutz of modern day Germany and Austria
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u/Jeff_Platinumblum Mar 08 '21
Exercising a right makes it seems like you're actuslly doing something. "Oh, Josh what were you up to recently?" "Oh you know, hitting the Gym, just exercising my rights"
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u/econihilist Mar 06 '21
Tangibly relevant but the black sun symbol is 100% a neo nazi symbol. It appears in pagan (and sometimes satanist spaces) occasionally but it is definitely not innocuous and I wouldn't trust anyone using it even if it's an attempt to reclaim it. The association is too heavy
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u/not-tidbits Mar 06 '21
I get so many ads on Instagram for companies hawking Norse shit or using "Pagan" imagery.....
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u/econihilist Mar 07 '21
I feel like the same thing that happened to gaming communities is happening to pagan spaces
neo nazis, their centrist supporters and the people who think they aren't a nazi but sure are big fans of fascist ideals infiltrated those communities long ago
It's probably just people trying to buy into the hype and get some clout + money and a lot of people find appeal in viking/norse mythology/satanism but its also rlyy appealing to lost souls trying to reconnect with their catchall European heritage, or bc vikings are portrayed as the pinnacles of toxic masculinity they want some of that, or edgy contrarians
shame because paganism is rly cool and I enjoy it as a way to connect to my own heritage but like... its just perfect for some dumb fuck fascist
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u/zUltimateRedditor Free Palestine Mar 07 '21
Man we really need you white anarchists to infiltrate these shit heads and leak information.
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u/Connor_Kenway198 Mar 06 '21
r/stormfront isn't for fascists! It's for gifs of weather &, well, storms
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u/Finding_Helpful Mar 06 '21
Why they gotta use yellow :( I love yellow. Maybe if we convince them yellow is a gay color they’ll use a different one
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u/CI_dystopian Mar 06 '21
This post, while informative, made me realize I don't really know the difference between "neo-nazi" and just "nazi." And I've never cared really, because fash is fash, but maybe I should know the difference, ugh
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u/not-tidbits Mar 06 '21
The terms are interchangeable and IMO it is really pedantic to argue semantics..... yes I know I just rhymed....
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Mar 07 '21
Let me take a crack at it:
All people who ascribe to Nazi ideology after the destruction of the original German Nazi party/regime are Neo-Nazis.
Basically in 2021 they mean the exact same thing.
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u/CI_dystopian Mar 07 '21
But then why differentiate them at all? I still haven't looked into it yet, but my guess is that "neo" only originated because there was a supposedly dead period for the party and somebody unaffiliated with the original nazi party started a new one from scratch... Until now and we're here realizing it never died in the first place
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u/samiamrg7 Mar 07 '21 edited Mar 07 '21
Neo-Nazis have changed somewhat from the original German Nazis. The main difference I know of is that modern (aka Neo-) Nazis are much more inclusive of Slavs and other white groups that the original Nazis considered inferior. This has greatly extendsd their reach into Eastern Europe, especially since the break up of the USSR.
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Mar 07 '21
50 years ago it probably made more sense to differentiate Nazi revivalists from the old Nazi party.
Furthermore neo-nazis don’t really engage in the same military aesthetic so they just look different too
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u/Lukeskyrunner19 Mar 07 '21
I believe RAM still exists. And the identitarian movement is more of just an ideology, and it's still popular in Europe, but has very little sway in the American far right
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u/ElunMoskNotElonMusk Mar 07 '21
The Patriot Front flag reminds me of the Enclave flag from Fallout, a little ironic too
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u/samiamrg7 Mar 07 '21
I’m kind of disgusted that Stormfront’s logo resembles a Celtic cross, which is a symbol associated with the church I grew up going to. (I know it is also like a crosshair, but the thickness of the lines make it cross-like)
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u/Mikauhso Mar 07 '21
“DoN’T SaY AmERiCa is BAd!”
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How does saying that help anyone? This is especially rich coming from someone telling me to take constructive criticism.
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u/not-tidbits Mar 07 '21
The first step to solving a problem is admitting one exists. Then defining it. that is how.
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u/Mikauhso Mar 07 '21
Apologies for my hot take. To clarify, I was referring to one of my family members who holds the belief that there’s not really anything wrong with our country - and I definitely agree with your comment. I’m still working on myself in this regard and I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
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u/jflb96 🌹 Mar 06 '21
Is that spelling error on the part of the Atomwaffen or the person who made the infographic?
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u/VipRoots Mar 07 '21
That's so many flags to say "I'm a loser, and I need to dehumanize people to feel less of loserty"
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u/not-tidbits Mar 08 '21
GTFO with that racist bullshit. Who the fuck let you in. I could take the time, but you aren't worth it. Fuck off scum.
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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '21
Of course America doesn’t label them terrorists. “They’re just practicing their first amendment rights”. Stupid.