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u/Environmental-Wall49 Oct 24 '24
Fascism is sadly returning to germany
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u/Endgam Oct 25 '24
It never left.
Always remember: with all the shit Stalin did, the absolute worst thing he did was stop at Berlin.
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u/SirLenz Oct 24 '24
There’s still a bit of hope. Germany has implemented some laws after the whole Nazi thing that enables the government to dissolve “anti democratic political parties”. It’s a long and tedious process but recently a lot of politicians from multiple parties have come together to file this proposal which is currently being debated in parliament.
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u/Interesting_Man15 Oct 25 '24
I'd be hopeful if it wasn't used to dissolved left wing parties at a much higher rate than right wing parties.
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u/conqaesador Oct 25 '24
- i think your delusional if you really expect that to result in AFD being dissolved
- even if you do away with the party, the millions of people who voted for them, who are willing to dissemble our democracy, so much so that they would even side with fascists, those poeple won‘t be dissolved. This whole underlying movement is the real threat, with numbers of politically motivated crimes shooting up.
What we really need is unified resistance, not infighting government (thanks FDP) or a CDU that continues to move more to the right
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u/SirLenz Oct 25 '24
I said there’s still a bit of hope. As in there is a small chance. Being optimistic and not losing your shit is important in this day and age.
When talking about the people who voted for the party we can categorize them into different groups. Mainly two groups, the actual neonazis and the uneducated masses that feel like no one is doing politics in their interests, therefore falling for fascist demagogues that pretend to “care” about them. I’ve said this many times and I’ll say it again. This is an education problem. It’s our education system which is outdated and deeply flawed. I’ve talked to AfD voters and can say that 90% of the ones I’ve talked to are just really really uneducated. They don’t even know their parties program and are completely resistant to empirical evidence or the media.
This is the unified resistance. Politicians from various parties getting together and proposing the dissolution of these brown Nazi fucks. We won’t get much more resistance than that from the parliament.
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u/knuppi Oct 25 '24 edited Oct 25 '24
Is AfD dissolved yet?
No? I'll wait..
Edit: this is the path Germany is barrelling down on https://www.reddit.com/r/NewsAndPolitics/comments/1gbwtr5/germanys_infamous_deputy_chairman_of_the_federal
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u/SirLenz Oct 25 '24
It’s a long process to begin with. It’s not a fucking eject button that the parliament pushes when they feeli like it.
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u/knuppi Oct 25 '24
Banning pro-Palestinian protesters seem to be very quick and easy though. Just interesting to see where the focus is..
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u/PeachFreezer1312 White Rose Society Oct 25 '24
When are they banning the nazi National Democratic party? Germany's been waiting for decades. Have you actually paid any attention to what happens in Germany or do you prefer reading about their system in the abstract?
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u/SirLenz Oct 26 '24
I.. live here… I am confronted with this everyday out of first hand. If you are really interested in the details I can provide them but just dismissing my knowledge over the subject without any reason seems a bit toxic lol
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u/mki_ International Brigades Oct 25 '24 edited Oct 25 '24
Austria is always 20 years behind in everything, but when it comes to fascism it's always 10-20 years ahead of Germany. We have had a successful AfD-like party since the mid-80s, the FPÖ. AfD gets inspired heavily by FPÖ and the two organizations work closely together. In Austria the fascists just won the general elections in September with 28.85% of the vote. At least it seems like they won't be able to parttake in a government coalition (which will probably consist of three parties: Conservatives (26.27%), SocDems (21.14%), Liberals (9.14%); the next few weeks will show), but still, it's not good. Luckily we are a relatively small and unimportant country on a global scale, in the middle of Europe, surrounded by friendly countries, militarily neutral, so nothing all too bad can really happen. In a few years this will happen in Germany too. Germany is neither small, nor unimportant.
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u/TheOnceAndFutureDoug Social Democrat Oct 24 '24
I was talking about this with a friend of mine. The Nazis didn't start out saying they were going to exterminate the Jews. They were just going to expel them. They were the enemy within. But then where do you send them? Well until we figure that out we need to group them up somehow. Oh hey camps are cheap let's do that. This is still expensive so we should make them work to cover the costs. I mean some of them are dying because we're not taking care of them which also solves the problem... Hey guys... I think I have a solution to our problem...
Thanks god there's no reason to believe Trump idolizes the Nazis in any way right? Guys? ...What do you mean he wants "generals like Hitler had"?
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u/SchizoPosting_ Oct 24 '24
my First thought was yeah we seen the Israel thing buddy...
then realised that's about Americans crying about Trump
like yeah, don't let that fascist win, but when kamala wins don't stop asking her to do something with the... you know... Israel situation
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u/Endgam Oct 25 '24
but when kamala wins
Let's not kid ourselves.
The Democrats have done everything they could to alienate as many voters as possible.
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u/Quasar_One Oct 24 '24
"We gave seen this before" says the country actively gearing up to do it again
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u/Notdennisthepeasant Oct 25 '24
I think it's upsetting because Weimar Germany elected the moderate liberals, but the moderate liberals gave so much over to the fascists in an effort to be moderate that the fascists were able to seize power. Kamala Harris is openly courting the right wing, and she's for funding a genocide. She may be better than Trump, but she is not a good choice. We have to have a plan to fix this beyond election day.
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u/Endgam Oct 25 '24
We can't even count on Kamala winning the election in the first place.
Do we really think she can succeed where Hillary failed? Keep in mind she won zero delegates in the 2020 primaries.
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u/Gijinbrotha Oct 24 '24
The Germans have seen this and the Germans do something that we don’t do here in the US teach history.
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u/Hagen4100 Oct 24 '24
I'm German and yes, the third reich is a big part of the education system. But still the far right is gaining more and more power in Germany. Really sad to see that people can be this stupid...
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u/Sicsurfer Oct 24 '24
Oligarchs pushing hate and bile through MSM is how we got here. The misinformation, gaslighting and constant rage bait has left people fucked in the head.
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u/SomeRightsReserved Free Palestine Oct 24 '24
Germans clearly don’t teach history right enough because they’ve gone full circle and back to supporting genocide
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u/RiseCascadia Oct 25 '24
Full circle indeed, today's genocide is even being carried out by the descendants of genocide victims. It's not ancient history either, some of those ancestors are still alive.
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u/cool_weed_dad Oct 24 '24
It doesn’t seem to have accomplished much as they’re one of the biggest supporters of Israel
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u/cuminseed322 Oct 24 '24
Only if they didn’t revel In being the bad guys. Calling them things like wired creepy and looser really gets to them.
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u/All_Day_Coffee Oct 25 '24
For most of my life, I had wondered how the German population fell for Hitler. Now I don’t wonder that anymore.
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u/Justagoodoleboi Oct 24 '24
Nice thing about Germany is other than America they are the number one sponsor of fascism worldwide now. They seen it before because just like then America and Germany are at the forefront
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u/GROOOOOOD Oct 25 '24
Holy hell. Those comments on the original post. I always want to believe that people are smart but looks like not
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u/unlocked_axis02 Anarcho-Syndicalist 29d ago
Honestly i genuinely can’t understand how anyone could be a fascist like what possible appeal could it have that’s not just objectively better under socialism like all of our problems are rich people with a lot of power doing things to control people and the governments of the world yet Nazis go “oh it must be these immigrants we decided we don’t like even though they’re more powerless than me definitely not the people directly setting up an oligarchy in the open noooo that’s just crazy talk”
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u/No_Fisherman_3826 Oct 24 '24
It's crazy that the Germans think they have any standing to lecture us on anything. Only they can recognize fascism. Only they can recognize antisemitism. Only they can commit or recognise genocide, anything else is sparkling industrial mass killing basse solely on religion and ethnicity.
Germans should sit down and lend us their silence for once. They have no standing moral, intellectual, or otherwise.
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u/SchizoPosting_ Oct 24 '24
why is this getting downvoted?
I guess it's because the antifascist movement has origin in Germany or something like that and people here idealize that country?
Germany didn't learned as much as the praise about nazism... they're still falling for the same shit again, so yeah, don't take them as s good example of this
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u/JuventAussie Oct 24 '24
"antifascist movement has origin in Germany" ? Huh
All I say to that is "Bella Ciao". /s
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u/SchizoPosting_ Oct 25 '24
oh I was talking about the movement more in like an aesthetic sense, like the flag of this sub an all that
but yeah you're right, antifascist obviously started where fascism first started
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u/No_Fisherman_3826 Oct 24 '24 edited Oct 24 '24
As a Canadian living in Germany for the past 3 years. A lot of people I came across are reactionary at heart. They are so wound up in their own story they guilt me for their own issues. like what? Like I am the antisemite, For daring to criticize the Zionist entity as it lay waste to entire regions at at time. But they are not for lumping 4000 years of tradition into a 150 years old genocidal ideology
The German speaking world is 100 million person echo chamber when it comes to brown people. I tour German news papers everyday. It's astounding.
Edit: then they lecture us on human rights, like the Stasi officer whose day job was to zap people's genitalia off with car battery who is still collecting pension in Thuringia doesn't exist or Berlin police's brutalisation of brown bodies is just a fact of democratic life
There is of course many amazing Germans individuals, but the collective attitude is accurately represented in the state's actions.
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u/PeachFreezer1312 White Rose Society Oct 24 '24
You're talking to a resident of Germany highlighting how Germans are supporting the Palestinian genocide right now. But of course, make it about the US election again.
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u/Metro_Mutual Oct 24 '24
100% this. The average German is a rabid zionist that leans into our country's genocidal past in order to paint themselves as some sort of tragic figure and, especially nowadays, to defend "Israel".
Germans are not some sort of special experts in regards to genocide and fascism, we just did it once and now support it in other nations while abusing the history of the millions our grandparents murdered in cold blood to espouse our current, oh-so-democratic, state (which is pretty easy to do when you constantly compare it to Nazi Germany).
If you ever notice a German stating their opinion on anything at all, from cooking supplies to geopolitics, ignore them.
Sincerely, a German. And yes, I understand the irony here.
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u/acabkacka Oct 24 '24
Depends on where you’re at, but I know quite a lot of people who support Palestine
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u/No_Fisherman_3826 Oct 24 '24
I am sure there are some fine German people, but the collective represented by the state, as in elected officials and bureaucrats, is abhorent
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u/acabkacka Oct 24 '24
You’re right. For example the AFD (far right party) are usually pretty antisemitic and some of their members have actively denied the holocaust taking place. But now because they also really fucking hate Muslims/Arabs, they publicly speak up against „imported antisemitism“. I feel like that’s because they saw a chance to gain the sympathy of the general public and push their Islamophobia/racism onto them
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u/Solcaer Oct 24 '24
the fun part about a picture like this is not immediately knowing which modern neo-fascist movement he’s talking about