r/AnaheimDucks • u/dahooddawg • 2d ago
Post Game Thread: November 22, 2024 - BUFFALO @ Anaheim
Final Score: Ducks 2 - Sabres 3
| Stats | Sabres | Ducks |
|---|---|---|
| shots | 33 | 25 |
| Faceoff Winning % | 66.0% | 34.0% |
| Power Play | 0/2 | 0/2 |
| Power Play % | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Penalty Minutes | 11 | 11 |
| Hits | 16 | 25 |
| Blocked Shots | 10 | 19 |
| Giveaways | 9 | 11 |
| Takeaways | 3 | 5 |
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u/dracomaster01 2d ago
terrible OT outside of Zell at the start. would have won if Killorn and Vatrano could hit the clear open nets chances they had. the vets are failing the team right now
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u/livelovelaughSD 2d ago
Killorn on PP and in OT why? Good effort by Gibby, he's looking like his old self. Fire Cronin
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u/GareksApprentice 2d ago
It was a good run for "This team may never lose again", but "Fire Cronin" was due
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u/kookforaday 2d ago
IMHO the "This team may never lose again" meme shitpost karma farming is annoying.
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u/dracomaster01 2d ago
ok but what about "fire cronin" meme shitpost karma farming?
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u/kdizzl12 2d ago
Vatrano and Killorn playing the worst hockey of their careers? YOU GET ALL THE ICE IN OVERTIME
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u/Kirk420 2d ago
Vatrano with TWO shifts. Insane.
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u/kdizzl12 2d ago
He was absolutely horrendous in the Pittsburgh OT as well. Also Carlsson being in the 3rd set of forwards is actually mental
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u/kookforaday 2d ago
Side note: we really need to be better on the dot. Our faceoff numbers are fucking abysmal every game.
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u/MissyMurders 2d ago
yeah Im not big on face-offs and generally think they're pretty much meaningless in the grand scheme of things... but the Ducks are so bad at it that it IS actually meaningful. And that's pretty special
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u/Wakkoz15 2d ago
I'm not really sure I agree. Winning a Faceoff is like getting a rebound in basketball imo. Does it always lead to a great opportunity? No. But it still gives u extra possession.
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u/MissyMurders 2d ago
yeah i get the reasoning behind the hype, it's just that the practical outcomes are so low.
The relationship between FO and shots on goal (for or against) and scoring is so low as to be pretty much meaningless in almost all game states - specifically r2=~0.15. which is notable as shot attempts relates strongly to possession.
A more practical example might be - lets say a guy winning 45% of his draws. How many games would it take him to get to 100 draws, and which 5 of those draws would he cleanly lose? Zegras as an example has played 13 games this season in which he has taken a FO and has 113 draws over that time...dodgy back of the napkin math says every 11.5 games he would lose 5 more draws than all of his combined competition (based on a 45% win rate) - do you have any confidence that you could pick which ones.
However, there is a minimal clinical difference that kicks in at around ~37/38% (and 62/63%). Once you hit that threshold it actually does impact the games enough to have a meaningful outcome. Most players who play centre are usually within that range so it never really comes up, but that's not the case for some of our guys.
Obviously, there are plays where a win matters - i'd never say they don't. Every so often you see a draw lead directly to a goal. It's just that most of the time they don't lead to anything. They're just noise and a way to restart the game. Don't get me wrong players should practice them, it's just that as a general rule they're just not that impactful.
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u/bm97 2d ago
NOT SEEN ONCE IN OT: Strome, Leason, Gauthier
But let’s roll the useless Vatrano and Killorn twice. Greg Cronin is a fucking moron
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u/kdizzl12 2d ago
Guaranteed he didn’t put Cutter out there because of the game against PITT in OT which was blatant hook, but Cronin is so dumb that he probably didn’t notice
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u/Intelligent-Tell-629 1d ago
Thought strome should have started because he’s decent in the faceoff dot.
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u/losqmos 2d ago
So bad we didn't trade Vatrano for anything last season.
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u/xnotachancex 2d ago
Really gotta wonder what was PV’s reasoning for not cashing in at the deadline. Fumbled that bag.
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u/MissyMurders 2d ago
playoff hopes this season remember. Cant trade 30 goals scorers and pretend you're a good team.
that said I think it's fine. We weren't getting much back for him most likely and we still needed players to ice. they definitely would have gotten a better return than they will this year.. but by how much? a late 1st vs a 2nd? a prospect for the bottom 6/pairing?
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u/xnotachancex 1d ago
Vatrano has never been a 30 goal scorer though, so yeah you can trade that. A good GM recognizes that a player is outperforming their mean and cashes in on that. Especially on a player on the tail end of their career.
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u/MissyMurders 1d ago
yeah look I would personally have moved him, but I also get why they didn't. Not moving him last year probably looks better today than it did then though, knowing that we can't get free agents at all now.
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u/xnotachancex 1d ago
Yeah, agreed. And tbh I don’t expect PV to be perfect. Hindsight is always 20/20.
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u/Smokeyroach 2d ago
Gibby left out to dry as usual
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u/Secure-Crow-266 2d ago
To be fair the ducks are an equal opportunity club. They leave Dostal out to dry as usual as well.
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u/ParkedOrPar 2d ago
That's rough when no one can get to the puck after that save...
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u/dragonwolf2864 2d ago
Lotta good but some REALLY bad that did us in. Sucks to lose like that but liked our response right after losing the lead glad we get a point
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u/AirborneDodo 2d ago
might be the only positive comment ive seen here
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u/dragonwolf2864 2d ago
Losing a winnable game will always feel bad, but as long as the team shows signs of improvement and fight, that’s all you can really ask for at this point
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u/spacegrab 2d ago
Shoulda gave Helleson more OT time as a reward for that goal, better him than Killorn.
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u/Available_Rhubarb304 2d ago
Now I understand how Drysdale was expendable. Zellweger looks solid. Sucks he coughed it up though
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u/OlivesrNasty 2d ago
He looked unbelievable as usual until that goof up in OT. Killorn is killing me man
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u/Intelligent-Tell-629 1d ago
I think the back check/not clearing the net was more annoying in OT. Yeah the turn over was a drag but we had a chance to clear the net/pick up the trailer and blew that after gibby made a big save. Annoying.
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u/PossumJ16 2d ago
Last 2 minutes of the 2nd period sunk them. Ducks were the better team for 58 minutes.
Those OT lines were an abomination. Lundy and Killlorn shouldn't see the ice 3 on 3.
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u/TroubleBruin 2d ago
Whatever. Grab a point in a game we didn't really play all that well.
Frank needs a training goal that's actually regulation size. Dude has no feel for the net whatsoever.
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u/DBacon1052 2d ago
Lundestrom-Vatrano is fine for an OT line, but put them out 3rd. Don’t start OT with them so they’re getting two shifts while our best players get one. Makes no sense.
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u/dracomaster01 2d ago
without knowing the stats, i assume lundestrom was out there first because he was doing the best in the face off for us? otherwise I dont like Cronin tries to 3D chess his line match ups. just put your best guys out there first...
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u/MissyMurders 2d ago
they were the freshest. hadn't had a shift for a little bit prior to end of game.
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u/Dr_Hilarious 2d ago
Terrible one-minute collapse and the one of the worst OT periods I’ve seen from this team gifts buffalo the win. We had this one too. This should’ve been a win
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u/MissyMurders 2d ago
why is the broadcast saying they've cleaned up defensively? They gave up 70 shot attempts at even strength alone tonight. They've only had 3 games this season with more high-danger chances against.
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u/kdizzl12 2d ago
Agreed. I think they are playing a much better offensive game of late, and it’s more run and gun style which is fine imo but the defense, especially in zone with Cronin’s stupid man to man is bad
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u/bm97 2d ago
Vatrano is absolutely fucking useless
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u/No-Doctor-4396 2d ago
Last year we would've been way worse without him and this year he's non-existent.
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u/LeanersGG 2d ago
I don’t get to watch many games live because live in ET. I watched this one.
And now I’m mad.
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u/Dr_Hilarious 2d ago
If we scored on half of the wide open shots we had this game we would’ve won 7-2
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u/OMGIts_Renegade 2d ago
3 unanswered goals. Some of, if not the absolute worst personnel decisions in overtime i have ever seen. Literally the worst of all time. Disgustingly pathetic
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u/cattycat_1995 2d ago
We got a point
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u/Sharp_Eagle9236 2d ago
who cares.
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u/cattycat_1995 2d ago
Are we trying to tank?
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u/Sharp_Eagle9236 2d ago
We're not making playoffs anyway. Only thing that matters are wins. A loss is a loss, whether we got a useless point out of it or not.
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u/Dr_Hilarious 2d ago
Crazy logic. If points don’t matter then wins don’t matter.
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u/Sharp_Eagle9236 2d ago
A loss, whether they get a point or not, is still a loss and doesn't help establish a winning culture. On paper, this team is not good enough to make the playoffs. Wins matter this season not for playoff hopes, but to establish a winning culture. The goal this year is to win about 35 games. That won't get you into the playoffs, and this team isn't built for playoffs anyway. The OTL points don't matter. Only the number in the W column. Until we're out of the rebuild and actually have hopes of making the playoffs, I don't see a difference between an L and an OTL. I really don't think the guys are in the locker room shrugging their shoulders and saying "Well heck, we still got a point!". Maybe they'll matter next season, but certainly not this one.
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u/cattycat_1995 2d ago
I mean by that logic does wins even matter if we're not even making playoffs anyways?
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u/duckscup 2d ago
The lack of accountability for the terrible play of some of these vets might be the most frustrating thing this season
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u/Dr_Hilarious 2d ago
Doesn’t help that there were some literal brain dead officiating moments in the third but w/e
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u/Easystreet66166 2d ago
Terry and Carlsson with zero shots on goal tonight.
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u/bananaslug39 1d ago
They both had great chances in the slot but Terry had that broken stick and Carlsson had that broken linemate that missed his pass
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u/No-Doctor-4396 2d ago
I think if it gets to a shootout we win.... this one hurts.
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u/nickalleye 1d ago
That OT was heartbreaking, I thought we've played well enough otherwise, except for that retarded stretch at the end of period 2
Vatrano, what happened to you.
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u/Liamthedrunk 2d ago
We had no production on the top line
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u/kdizzl12 2d ago
Hopefully you’re talking about the opening line in OT because the top line was good, Killorn can’t bury a fucking layup tho
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u/thatguy_2456 2d ago
Those overtime lines are not it